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Teacher heroes
Aug 13, 2020, 7:43 AM
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NYT daily podcast this morning is all a bunch of teachers whining about being forced to go back to school and teachers union suing Florida. Here’s an idea- why don’t we just get a handful of construction workers to line up outside the school and applaud them as they walk in? That seemed satisfactory for healthcare workers.
Open schools up. Do the best you can to prevent getting sick. Healthcare, service industries are figuring it out. Do we think education is any less essential?
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Re: Teacher heroes
Aug 13, 2020, 7:50 AM
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I'm sure someone expressing concerns about their and their families safety isn't whining. I get it; right wingers have this irrational hatred of public education because of all the "it's indoctrinates kids to socialism lies!". We'll just dismiss your comments as that.
Education is essential, but the problem is that there hasn't been a reopening model like this: Jamming thousands into crowded areas and classrooms. Did you see the Georgia high school disaster? They've already had to shut back down.
Too many schools in America are dilapidated and overcrowded, and there are questions about how the virus could spread their HVAC systems (I'm no expert on how that #### works; just know that's a concern). The Trump/Republican move to force schools back open is a political one and not one based in intelligence or good planning.
It'll only take sick kid or teacher, and the whole thing will shut down again, just like Georgia.
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Re: Teacher heroes
Aug 13, 2020, 8:15 AM
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They should have kids go in different shifts and make the classes smaller. Maybe each shift only goes 3 days per week. Just teach the very basics. No art or pe etc.
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Yes!
Aug 13, 2020, 8:18 AM
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Let the PE, ART, MUSIC teachers go around sanitizing things, checking temperatures, or filling in as substitutes, since you know the demand for substitutes will be way higher.
or in the instance of our resident PE teacher... have him scrubbing toilets and let the janitor substitute teach.
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Re: Teacher heroes
Aug 13, 2020, 8:18 AM
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Looks like that's what a lot are attempting to do, at least in SC. But it also looks like a lot of districts still aren't giving a definitive answer (I think Georgia scared them).
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Yep - cancel “Intro. to Socialism 101”. Let those teachers _
Aug 13, 2020, 8:33 AM
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clean bathrooms. I’m also thinking day care schools should stop teaching “sharing”. Replace all references to sharing with “Mine - F ‘ you kid!”
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Re: Yep - cancel “Intro. to Socialism 101”. Let those teachers _
Aug 13, 2020, 8:34 AM
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Replace it with "Grab Em By the #####!" 101
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Re: Teacher heroes
Aug 13, 2020, 12:39 PM
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How many people died in Georgia because of school?
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Teachers, as a group, are self-important see-you-next-tuesda
Aug 13, 2020, 8:16 AM
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tuesdays.
Not all of them, but in my experience, most of them.
They're always complaining about how hard their job is, how low the pay is, and doing what they can to get out of doing actual work.
The whole world has been back to work for months... most of us never stopped working. They aren't heros, martyrs, etc.
Most of the ones that I know are too stupid and/or lazy to be fit for any other job. These bullshiit masters degrees that they all get help their pay significantly, to the point where their equivalent hourly rate isn't too bad... especially since they're dumb and lazy.
Somehow they're above reproach.
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Re: Teachers, as a group, are self-important see-you-next-tuesda
Aug 13, 2020, 8:23 AM
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Yep, that's pretty much just ignorant, typical I-hate-public-education-because-Rush-told-me-to drivel.
I bet you cry about them having summers off, too.
My ole teacher grandpa, first Clemson grad in our family and a high school teacher, woulda taken a brat like you and wailed on you a few times with "Oscar"... that was the paddle he had in his classroom. That was back when you could do those things in school.
Thanks for the Emma Stone, though.
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Yep. Maybe if I had decent teachers, I wouldn't be so
Aug 13, 2020, 8:31 AM
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ignorant. /s
I don't cry about them having summers off, but it must be awfully nice... but I'd rather work my job and take the extra money. Plus I'm too much of a creep to be allowed in public schools.
Your grandpa sounds like a beast. I wouldn't want to tangle with Oscar.
Glad you like Emma. Thanks for the TD.  ">">">
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I don't TD, bruh.
Aug 13, 2020, 8:34 AM
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Don't have the ability to, and even if I did, I wouldn't do it. I use my words to tell people when they make a ridiculous post.
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My mistake. Carry on.***
Aug 13, 2020, 9:01 AM
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Re: Teachers, as a group, are self-important see-you-next-tuesda
Aug 13, 2020, 11:55 AM
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He's got a point. You never hear anything positive from teachers about being teachers. Low pay, long hours, insufficient funding, bad kids, indifferent parents....it goes on and on. It is as if they had no idea what the job entailed or paid before the took it. I honestly don't think I've ever heard a teacher say or post (Facebook) anything good about the job. You'd think eventually you'd encounter someone who thought, "despite all the frustrations, it's a rewarding job." You don't hear that. Ever.
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Re: Teachers, as a group, are self-important see-you-next-tuesda
Aug 13, 2020, 12:04 PM
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Re: Teachers, as a group, are self-important see-you-next-tuesda
Aug 13, 2020, 12:12 PM
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Low pay, long hours, insufficient funding, bad kids, indifferent parents....it goes on and on. It is as if they had no idea what the job entailed or paid before the took it.
Maybe that points to a big problem in the system.
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Re: Teachers, as a group, are self-important see-you-next-tuesda
Aug 13, 2020, 12:22 PM
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I'm not suggesting the issues that plague teachers aren't legit. I am saying it isn't like those issues aren't well known. Teachers seek out a job that requires long hours and low pay then seemed frustrated by those very things. As for kids and parents, there is little to be done about that. Society is moving more and more to a place where there is a lack of accountability and personal responsibility. Far more than hours and money, I'd think this is the factor more likely to lead teachers to leave the profession.
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I share this sentiment whole-heartedly
Aug 13, 2020, 10:48 AM
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and not because some "right-wing talkshow host told me to" or whatever else you blowhards think
my mother's a teacher. hasn't worked a #### day since March, while I've been balls to the #### wall since then. We broke records in May, in the middle of all this ########, while a vast majority of teachers were not doing jack #### (she was at the beach the whole #### time) and getting PAID
pardon me for not sympathizing w/ them. they chose their career, knowing the risks. hell, my mother even has two masters degrees to teach.
if teachers want to do something else, come on down. we're hiring like crazy.
oh wait- you went to school and got a teaching degree? then go teach b/c you can't do anything else.
good lord. people need to #### and go back to ####### work.
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Re: I share this sentiment whole-heartedly
Aug 13, 2020, 10:54 AM
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You tell your mother that? I bet not.
And yeah, some talkshow host told you to think like that.
People who denigrate any honest profession are scum. End of discussion. Grow up. Until you've walked in their shoes, don't judge em. I don't try to pretend to know how someone's profession works or what they're going through with that job if I haven't done it.
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I do, actually.
Aug 13, 2020, 11:05 AM
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she'll call me late evening, saying she had to get on a zoom call today and she's exhausted. I tell her I'm still working so politely go fly a kite. then, love you mom kthxbaiii
lol...denigrating an honest profession....gtfo of here. people complaining about not working and getting paid to people working can go fly a kite bro, period. I'm still growing up, for sure, but that's a pretty hard line in the sand for me.
teachers made a conscious decision to be teachers. if they don't like it they can go do something else.
again, for the record, i don't watch news or listen to talk radio 'cept 680 the fan on my way to / from work everyday.
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Re: I do, actually.
Aug 13, 2020, 11:33 AM
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You made a conscious decision to choose what you do for a living, so quit bitching about the choices other people made for themselves. At the end of the day, it's an honest day's work and it's trying to support themselves and their family.
You work an honest job to take care of you and yours. Teachers do the same. You probably do something important for society. Teachers do something important for society.
Putting down what people do for a living is childish and despicable, and that's the one area where I will criticize your mama. Somewhere along the way, she should have taught you that.
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Exactly.
Aug 13, 2020, 11:00 AM
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Wife has 4 friends that are teachers. I have known these girls since elementary school.
2 are fat cows that made in the 800's on their SATs and had to go to private colleges to get a degree. Both have multiple masters (eye roll) and couldn't possibly do another job besides maybe some sort of temporary office secretary type BS. They whine whine whine about how hard their jobs are and how crappy the pay is. Give me a break.
1 is pretty hot, but complains complains complains. It never stops. Begging for supply donations, expecting "teacher gifts" Wanting moms to volunteer to help her do her job constantly. Meanwhile she spends the whole summer at the beach and hasn't hit a lick since March.
1 is very hot and pretty smart. She's the only 1 that could probably have been a lot of different things, accountant, nurse, whatever. She's pretty straight up about her job being easy. Her husband has a really good job so she gets by just fine.
So that's my actual experience, which shapes my opinion... not Rush Limbaugh.
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You have to do it sometime. This isn't going away, and
Aug 13, 2020, 8:22 AM
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the best you can do is what you HAVE to do, as best as you can do it. Kids HAVE to go to school. Teachers HAVE to teach. Bread HAS to be baked. Gas HAS to be pumped. Oil HAS to be drilled.
Just do it as best as possible. Most of the truly essential things that are truly essential are not that dangerous and relatively low risk (IF you wear a mask and wash your hands). Concerts, conventions, bars, restaurants, parties, some of the most "dangerous" activities are often NOT essential.
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Re: You have to do it sometime. This isn't going away, and
Aug 13, 2020, 8:24 AM
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Agreed; it just needs to be done the right way. At least you approach this from a sensible approach.
Anyone who denigrates an entire profession, regardless of what it is as long as it is honest work, is the lowest form of scum and likely regrets their own life decisions that led to their job.
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"and likely regrets their own life decisions..."
Aug 13, 2020, 9:02 AM
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EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
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Good Lord man, you're like a broken record.
Aug 13, 2020, 1:13 PM
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Three separate posts...
People who denigrate any honest profession are scum. End of discussion. Grow up.
Putting down what people do for a living is childish and despicable, and that's the one area where I will criticize your mama. Somewhere along the way, she should have taught you that.
Anyone who denigrates an entire profession, regardless of what it is as long as it is honest work, is the lowest form of scum and likely regrets their own life decisions that led to their job.
Scum? Despicable? Scum (again)? Not to mention you are calling many of us ignorant and other personal attacks.
What's your deal?
Me, Dawghater, and a few others were just saying that we're sick of hearing teachers gripe about their jobs. You are welcome to disagree with us and talk about how much you love hearing teachers gripe about their jobs, but the over-the-top attacks are "childish and despicable".
I may be scum, but I'm not ignorant.
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Re: Good Lord man, you're like a broken record.
Aug 13, 2020, 3:16 PM
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Yep. I'll keep saying it until it's driven home. I'll go a step further: You put down a person for the job they do, if an honest profession, then you weren't raised properly. Mommy and/or Daddy failed somewhere along the way.
When I was a young un, I once made fun of a janitor in front of my father. That was the last #### time I ever made that stupid mistake.
Yeah, you are ignorant. Want evidence? Let's look at this stupid post:
https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Exactly-27624059
First, you somehow think how the four people look has any ####### thing to do with this discussion or their abilities in their profession, which is ignorant as ####. Second, you take four people--a whopping four--and present this anecdotal evidence as a condemnation of an entire profession.
That's not just ignorance; that's a failure to even grasp an iota of logic. Maybe you would be better to take your opinions from Rush because if you can judge millions of people in a profession based on just the four you know who do it, that's walking ignorance.
Then, from your previous post:
"Most of the ones that I know are too stupid and/or lazy to be fit for any other job. These bullshiit masters degrees that they all get help their pay significantly, to the point where their equivalent hourly rate isn't too bad... especially since they're dumb and lazy."
But you claim you are "just... sick of hearing teachers gripe about their jobs." Really? You just called them dumb, lazy, and not fit for another job.
Because why? You know four of em. Who maybe suck at their job. But hey, one of em is hot. So I guess you know.
If I'm coming across as being holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, and right-out arrogant in this reply, trust me, it's ####### intentional.
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Good talk.
Aug 13, 2020, 3:35 PM
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Ah, man...
Aug 13, 2020, 3:36 PM
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If you're going to clap back with a funny GIF or picture, at least make sure the link works.
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CU Medallion [64837]
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it works on my screen.
Aug 13, 2020, 3:42 PM
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but it's not really that funny.
It's Ace Ventura doing the "alrighty then" thingy.
GIFs are overused, but I was truly speechless after that dressing-down. Good times.
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If widespread school disruptions & closures by October, then
Aug 13, 2020, 8:56 AM
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Trump’s reelection chances are greatly diminished. Parents will be POed. Stories of kids bringing the virus home and dying grandparents are not a good look _ the media will sensationalize these cases. And kids that get sick, hospitalized or worse, one can only imagine the response.
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You can give a history exam online, but not a prostate exam.
Aug 13, 2020, 9:27 AM
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Do you not see the difference? FFS, my primary care physician is only doing phone/zoom appointments and then they may ask you to come in person if necessary. If you want to create a new topic about child care for working parents or something, do that, but the "we absolutely have to send kids into classrooms" argument should be over by now.
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Re: You can give a history exam online, but not a prostate exam.
Aug 13, 2020, 9:39 AM
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No, please tell me more about delivering medical care during this current pandemic.
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Seriously
Aug 13, 2020, 11:50 AM
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Re: Seriously
Aug 13, 2020, 11:55 AM
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I don't think anyone is trying to equate or put on the same level what medical professionals are sacrificing right now (I'm assuming by your post, that's what your kid does).
The issue is that it's highly questionable schools are "well-controlled environments" for this. The Georgia school proved it, and I've got plenty of medical professionals in my family who feel a return to school now is a bad idea. At least in SC.
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Re: Seriously
Aug 13, 2020, 12:14 PM
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Re: Seriously
Aug 13, 2020, 12:17 PM
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I don't think they, you, or I have a good answer to that first question, and that's what makes all of this suck.
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Re: Seriously
Aug 13, 2020, 12:21 PM
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But they are...
Aug 13, 2020, 1:23 PM
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Not all teachers are putting themselves on the same level as healthcare workers, but in my experience, some are.
My wife is a nurse and she about blew a gasket when one of her teacher friends posted a link to free living wills and suggested that all teachers fill one out since they are being sent to a certain death. It was so dramatic and a real slap to the face to healthcare workers and others who have been out working while they had a 5-6 month paid vacation.
Like I've said in other posts, my wife made a decision to keep working. She could have stayed home and we could make it on just my income, but she decided that the risk was worth it. Best believe that the hospital wouldn't have paid her to sit at home if she felt scared...
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I have no problem with teachers...
Aug 13, 2020, 12:12 PM
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who, as individuals, choose to not return to classrooms. Those who are in high risk categories or live with people who are high risk should be excused without compensation reductions.
The young and healthy teachers should be eligible for unemployment while they seek other opportunities and build new futures.
If the school system says open, they should make their choice.
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My opinion
Aug 13, 2020, 1:19 PM
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Any teacher, young, old, gay, straight, black, white, diabetic, alcoholic, etc. can choose to not return to the classroom. But I sure as heck wouldn't pay them. I'd let them apply to be an online teaching consultant, or whatever they call the teachers who run the online academies. If they don't want to do that, then the world always needs more sexworkers and garbage men. Paying people to not work is bull crap.
If you're a teacher and you are actually worried about your safety, then maybe it's worth it to quit your job. If you're a teacher and you're just complaining and being a blowhard, then maybe you should just shut up and do your job.
If I felt that my job was putting my life in jeopardy, I'd have to make that decision for myself. We have had fatalities at our plant during my time here. I've never felt that my life was on-the-line, but if it was, I'd have to decide if the juice was worth the squeeze.
It sounds like in my district that proper precautions are being taken and they're at least going to give it a shot. I guess we'll wait and see how successful it is. Fangers crossed.
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Jobs are phased out constantly.
Aug 13, 2020, 1:39 PM
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People have to learn new trades, skills and even go into new professions. Liberals think nothing of putting a fracking worker, a gun maker or a oil field worker out of work. They are tying to make that permanent.
Imo, if the schools weren't failing this would be an entire different situation. We need to scrap the federal involvement in education and bust up all the teachers' unions. Then perhaps local authorities might be able to make American education great again.
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Not sure I buy in to your theory on our education system...
Aug 13, 2020, 2:03 PM
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but appreciate the comment.
I don't know what the answer is.
I see similarities between teachers and police. They're both a huge part of our population, both do critical jobs, both jobs pay poorly, I have no interest in doing either of them, both have union involvement. The unions SHOULD be helping the teachers and police have better working conditions, but in reality, they protect the crappy ones and allow the crappy ones give the good ones a bad name.
This in turn causes scum like Dawghater and I to denigrate them. /s
Federally I think they fall short of running the system, but I have less faith in my particular local politicians.
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Oh, now you're going to amend what you said before?
Aug 13, 2020, 3:18 PM
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"Most of the ones that I know are too stupid and/or lazy to be fit for any other job. These bullshiit masters degrees that they all get help their pay significantly, to the point where their equivalent hourly rate isn't too bad... especially since they're dumb and lazy."
I'm sure there are ###### teachers out there who need to be purged. But you attacked all of them.
And local governments have the most influence and control over public schools, not the feds.
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Re: Oh, now you're going to amend what you said before?
Aug 13, 2020, 3:29 PM
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If you see that as an amendment, that's fine. I intended my original comment to be about my experiences with teachers that I know, but it doesn't exactly read like that. Either way it was an over the top statement and not really helpful.
Some bad and some good, just most any group of people.
I understand about how our school systems are ran. I guess I had a brain fart when I made that last post. Again, what I meant to say and what I typed are two different things. Maybe I'm having a stroke.
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All-In [42000]
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Alright, fair enough.
Aug 13, 2020, 3:37 PM
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If we want to chalk it up to bad communication in the first post and that this is how you really feel, I can get behind that.
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CU Medallion [64837]
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Alright, fair enough.
Aug 13, 2020, 3:40 PM
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