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Why does the ACC have a $50 million exit fee? (serious question)


Posted: Aug 8, 2014 11:38 PM
 

There is a $50 million exit fee and a "grant of rights" (whatever that is) that is meant to keep everyone locked into the ACC.......why? What is the fear?

I see the SCAR fans come on here and boast of SEC money but ACC schools actually got a larger payout than SEC schools last year. This new SEC Network has yet to prove what revenue it will produce and the SEC Network was just in planning stages when the ACC exit fee went into place.....no way of knowing then if that Network would even materialize much less be successful.

So why does the SEC have no exit fee? A school can just say bye with no penalty but to leave the ACC it takes $50 million and you have no rights to your product. What am I missing here?

The ACC just agreed to let Maryland pay ONLY $32 million to leave. This means the exit fee is negotiable. Maybe it also means the conference is actually unsure it's legally binding and they could have lost the lawsuit.

So here we are. There is an exit fee in place that is negotiable, maybe not even winnable in a lawsuit, and in place to keep schools from leaving to go to conferences that, in reading this board and other member school's boards, no one has any desire to go to.

What schools are a threat to leave the ACC and where would they even go, that requires an exit fee to be in place. If someone wants to leave, why not be like the SEC and say "adios, we've got plenty wanting to take your place".


Swoffie didn't want FSU and Clemson to go to the SEC. Football pays.


Posted: Aug 8, 2014 11:47 PM
 





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Re: Swoffie didn't want FSU and Clemson to go to the SEC. Football pays.


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 12:17 AM
 

So why did Barker sign the exit fee deal and FSU didn't?

Neither school was being seriously courted by the SEC at the time but FSU was getting some serious love from the Big 12.

I really don't know what drove the exit fee deal.......Maryland left anyway and FSU stayed even though they didn't sign the thing. Now if FSU does decide to leave they know at most they will only have to pay $32 million and apparently the "grant of rights" is a non-factor. Does that really keep FSU in the conference?

So I'm still lost on why there is a penalty in place to leave the ACC? Who is a threat to leave and where would they go? The exit fee just needs to be abandoned.


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Re: Swoffie didn't want FSU and Clemson to go to the SEC. Football pays.


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 10:04 AM
 

Swofford did a buyout to keep two schools the SEC doesn't want from going to the SEC? Seems redundant.


The greatest threat to leave is NC state to the SEC

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Posted: Aug 8, 2014 11:49 PM
 

The SEC wants the NC Tv market,They would leave for $. If you think your SEC teams are loyal, you are stupid. There is no threat to get more $ elsewhere. Offer more in other conferences & all of them will leave,so wake up you are coot dreaming


Re: The greatest threat to leave is NC state to the SEC


Posted: Aug 8, 2014 11:54 PM
 

SEC doesnt want clemson. Get over it.


Clemson doesn't need the SEC like you coots do,neither

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Posted: Aug 8, 2014 11:58 PM
 

does Fla st. buy the way only you coots don't want us,I know for a fact that both Ala, teams wanted us


Re: Clemson doesn't need the SEC like you coots do,neither


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 12:06 AM
 

> does Fla st. buy the way only you coots don't want
> us,I know for a fact that both Ala, teams wanted us

That's funny. You were present for a vote in the locker rooms or something?


What sux is coots were SEC's 3rd or 4th choice when they


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 11:31 AM
 

joined and they act like they are a charter member.


Re: The greatest threat to leave is NC state to the SEC


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 7:51 AM
 

Not exactly true.....USC and Georgia don"t want Clemson

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th SEC doesn't even want the Cluckers

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 9:05 AM
 

20 years later, you still get no respect from the original SEC schools and they see you as an outsider. You'll never be totally accepted by them. That can't feel good.

Of course, that cesspool in Olympia will never be respected by anyone who has standards. You've obviously grown used to it.

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Re: th SEC doesn't even want the Cluckers


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 10:32 AM
 

We don't care if they respect us. Clemson doesn't and look what it's gotten them since we got a REAL football coach.

As far as most of us 'Coots' are concerned, we hope they all (SEC+Clemson) just keep on not respecting us. Who really gives a rat's rear end? Just PAY US and keep taking those beatings!


Some comments about the coots from a couple of other schools

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 10:37 AM
 

Auburn Fans Blast South Carolina

Auburn fans are publicly rebuking the University of South Carolina football program in the wake of the Tigers’ defeat in this week’s big national championship game in Pasadena, California.

Auburn came up just short against No. 1 Florida State in the final Bowl Championship series game – losing 34-31 when Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston connected with wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin for the game-winning score with just thirteen seconds left on the clock.

Anyway, the post-game drama began when a Gamecock football supporter took to an Auburn football message board to offer his thoughts on the game.

“Oh well, guess we can’t win ‘em all,” the Carolina fan wrote. “Sucks it was against an a-she-she team. Good effort boyz.”

The message was entitled “Broke Our Streak,” a reference to the Southeastern Conference’s streak of seven straight national championships, which came to an end with Florida State’s win.

Auburn fans wasted little time in venting a little post-game frustration.

“Our streak?” one wrote. “Havent seen a #### anywhere near a title game.”

“(T)he ##### have no claim to any SEC championships,” another Auburn fan replied. ”Your best team ever folded against this FSU team when they were in their freshman year … Save face ##### and just keep talking smack to Clemson fans instead of making yourselves look idiotic on this Auburn site. They deserved it, they made it, they played their ##### off.. You and the other SEC losers have nothing to do with this.”

Ouch …

Next, a University of South California fan got in on the action …

Our? We? you ##### are so pathetic, living off what other teams are doing. i am so glad, the SEC lost. because of mini teams like you.

Then it was back to Auburn supporters for some more trash talk …

they ride the coat tails of other SEC teams..they will never be contenders but yet they have this vision of themselves that I will never understand..can someone help me? When have the ##### ever been significant?????

Uscum roosters have an Alabama mouth and a Vanderbilt trophy case. Great game by both teams – sorry that either team had to lose.

Wow …

For those of you wondering the next time these two programs square off, South Carolina travels to Jordan-Hare Stadium on October 25, 2014 – and our hope is these comments whet the Gamecocks’ already ravenous appetite for revenge.

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Re: The greatest threat to leave is NC state to the SEC


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 12:01 AM
 

> The SEC wants the NC Tv market,They would leave for
> $. If you think your SEC teams are loyal, you are
> stupid. There is no threat to get more $ elsewhere.
> Offer more in other conferences & all of them will
> leave,so wake up you are coot dreaming

Dude.....you just skimming my post?

The ACC schools received a larger payout than SEC schools last year. The SEC network is an unknown at this point. The ACC has yet to start their network and who knows how much additional revenue that could add to a conference payout that is already larger than the SEC's. What will the ACC Network be worth if Notre Dame joins as a full member?

Again, what am I missing? Why would an ACC school leave?

I wasn't even considering loyalty in the SEC, but since you brought it up, why aren't SEC schools a threat to leave for the ACC if the ACC is paying more now and could potentially pay even more than SEC Network revenue once the ACC network is established? According to you, it's all about money and there is no loyalty.......but yet SEC fans chant "SEC".

I don't see how you've answered my question. Why is there an exit fee for the ACC?


from what I have read, the acc didn't make more than the SEC

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 12:12 AM
 

They only closed the gap & you know why the exit fee,Sec will have teams leave for more $ but now that is no option no team will gamble on what a network midget make for sure $


Re: The greatest threat to leave is NC state to the SEC

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:39 AM
 

If you think that then you have absolutely no understanding of the history and passion for the ACC by nc st and it's fan base. They would never leave the acc.


It was simply to try


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:50 AM
 

And stabilize the conference all of the rumors were hurting the conferences bargaining strength. Almost all of the rumors were unfounded and were causing undo turmoil.


Sludge, I believe there were several reasons which

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 6:16 AM
 

influenced the fee, one of which Rhettm mentioned.

The conference wanted stability due to TV negotiations, and I believe the deal with ND was another factor. I'm certain ND wanted no major defections by such schools as FSU, Clemson, VT, Miami, GT, UNC, for examples, and the fee was the ACC's assurance.

I don't like the exit fee, for I think it reflects poorly on the conference's image, but I believe the school chiefs thought they had no choice amid all the realignment rumors floating at the time.

My position is that a strong conference with powerful programs with winning seasons along with superior TV deals would negate the necessity of a fee.

Like it or not, FSU went a long way toward helping the conference with its national title this past season. Our Orange Bowl victory was a huge plus. Highly successful seasons this year by several members will help strengthen the conference.

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Re: Sludge, I believe there were several reasons which

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 8:13 AM
 

Thanks Hartins - all that makes sense.

So maybe that is why it got put in place. But where things are now it doesn't make sense to keep it. I've read some on other school's boards and I can't come up with any school that is a threat to leave.

We know none of the northeast members are wanted by anyone.....maybe BC or Pitt could be courted by the BIG 10 at some point but would they be any great loss if they left?

Then, moving south we've got the Virginia and North Carolina schools. From reading others opinions, UNC isn't going anywhere without UVA at a minimum and preferably Duke as well. So then all we need to do is look back 10 years and see what happens in the Virginia legislature to know that UVA can't leave the ACC without taking VT with them.....and we know that no conference in today's TV money structure (I.e. cable boxes) is going to add two schools from the same state.

That only leaves NC State. There is a possibility I guess, but only by default, that NC State could be a candidate to leave. But couldn't State be replaced in 5 minutes with ECU, which actually has a better football program?

Anyway, we continue moving south and know the SEC isn't adding Clemson or FSU or Miami....again, think cable boxes. The SEC will get about $1.30 for every cable box in their footprint. Adding a school in the footprint is a net negative to the current members.

I guess we're left with the possibility that the Big 12 could court Clemson and FSU, but the BIG 12 would be a move down financially, athletically, academically, etc.

Your points may explain why the exit fee got installed but I sure can't find a reason why it needs to stay.


Re: Why does the ACC have a $50 million exit fee? (serious question)

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 7:58 AM
 

Sludgemuffin, I believe hartins has hit the nail on the head in his comments. I would like to add a few thoughts, however. I believe the exit fee has a remaining "life" of 3 years or less because the initial reason for it, as hartins stated, is apparently over.

Secondly, I don't feel there ever was a chance that Fla. State or Clemson would have bolted to another conference. Where would they have gone? Certainly not the BIG or the B12 if for no other reason than distance to conference schools. IMHO, the SEC doesn't want to be in any more states where they will have multiple schools in the state (ie. Miss State, Ole Miss. and Alabama, Auburn) because the resident member in that state would work to veto it. If that opinion is true, then the state of N.C. and Virginia would be the only "reasonable" alternative for new members. I don't see NC State or Va. Tech leaving the ACC.

Lastly, I believe that the ACC will be strengthened with more high powered wins and the inclusion of a conference network. When the dollars received by Notre Dame by being a full ACC member exceeds what they can do on their own, they will become a full member, which would be very good. Their following is very, very good.

Just some thoughts by this 1962 Tiger grad!

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2 things prove your assumptions wrong

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 8:13 AM
 

Wasn't the GOR voted on AFTER UMD decided to leave ? So, it would have no effect om them.

Also, isn't almost $32 mil the biggest settlement ever for a team to leave a conference ?


Seems the facts don't agree with your assumptions.


Re: 2 things prove your assumptions wrong


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 8:25 AM
 

> Wasn't the GOR voted on AFTER UMD decided to leave ?
> So, it would have no effect om them.
>
> Also, isn't almost $32 mil the biggest settlement
> t ever for a team to leave a conference ?
>
>
> Seems the facts don't agree with your assumptions.

When your statements are questions, I'm not clear on how you call those "facts".


rhetorical.***


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 8:27 AM
 



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Maryland's exit fee of $32 million says HELLO!! Would


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 10:09 AM
 

have been ZERO$ otherwise.

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Because the SEC is the most successful collegiate sports


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:11 PM
 

conference in history. From baseball, softball, men's and women's basketball, track and field, gymnastics, oh, and that little sport called football - the sec plays for the natty in pretty much every sport most years. Heck, when rival teams and conferences gloat when the sec DOESN'T win the natty, then you know your top dog. The sec doesn't charge an exit fee cause teams want in not out. We're not being honest if we don't acknowledge that.


Tell 'em marlborocountycapon

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:27 PM
 

sad


'Sup Old Man Coot! Now take your meds and


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:31 PM
 

go back to bed
#tellinitlikeitis


Re: Tell 'em marlborocountycapon


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:37 PM
 

I think Clemson80tiger is a computer bot.

Sad.


Tell 'em capon

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Posted: Aug 9, 2014 7:42 PM
 

lbc


Re: Why does the ACC have a $50 million exit fee? (serious question)


Posted: Aug 9, 2014 3:33 PM
 

LOL. Keep telling yourselves that you made more money than the SEC. Whatever helps you sleep at nite. SC made about 6 mill more than CU last year INCLUDING iptay money.


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