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Orange Blooded [2248]
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Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 10:36 AM
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I know that a lot of people were unhappy with Coach Elliot's play calling last week, and I was one of them. Does everybody understand that Tony Elliot falls in that group as well? The difference is Coach Elliot knows WHY he made the decisions that he made. He will review the game tape, self assess what he should have done differently, get Constructive criticism from other coaches to aid in that assessment, and turn it into a positive for the future.
Coaches, just like players, have bad games. I think way too many people are being critical of Tony Elliot as a coach, rather than on his performance in a specific game. He has proven himself in the past, and I, selfishly, hope that he has a long future at Clemson University. If you disagree, my bet is that you need to do some self assessment of your own qualifications. I am going to take Coach Elliot over you and Dabo will as well.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 10:49 AM
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I have questioned his play calling in the past so to me this is not a one game deal. We were just so much better than the other teams we played that it did not come back to bite us. He also had a bad day against Unc but we won (or at least I think we won) so people did not talk about it as much. We will see if he can change those things maybe having a tight end we can throw to over the middle will make a difference for him in his play calling.
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We have a hard time finding a rhythm the last couple years
Jan 20, 2020, 10:54 AM
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I thought it was by design, lots of subbing etc.
Our plan didn’t unfold this year. Our offense was not playoff ready when we needed them to be. Lots of factors other than just play calling in effect IMO.
It seems like we peaked offensively for the ACCCG. The long wait between the first playoff game and natty might not have been good for us either.
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Re: We have a hard time finding a rhythm the last couple years
Jan 20, 2020, 11:16 AM
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A lot of that has to do with the quality of the opposing defenses, don't you think ?
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Re: We have a hard time finding a rhythm the last couple years
Jan 20, 2020, 12:25 PM
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You think LSU had a good defense??
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Re: We have a hard time finding a rhythm the last couple years
Jan 20, 2020, 1:26 PM
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LSU had an absolutely first-rate defense. I have no idea where people go this notion that LSU didn't have much defense this year.
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Re: We have a hard time finding a rhythm the last couple years
Jan 20, 2020, 1:39 PM
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LSU had a good, not great, defense this year. They won mainly because they were running up ridiculous offensive numbers.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 11:10 AM
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I understand, and question things at times as well. When I do so I try to keep a couple of things in mind. First, I already know that something didn't work, and it does not mean that what I had in mind would have. Second, Dabo Swinney and Tony Elliot are much more qualified than I am to make the decisions. You are right that we simply outclass most teams, but Coach Elliot's success against teams with high caliber recruits has been pretty good as well.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 10:51 AM
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Anyone that thinks play calling was the culprit is just wrong IMO. I would say execution of those plays was more of a problem. Blocking, tackling, coverage, etc were bigger problems IMO. I just don't get why anyone would find play calling to stand out as the biggest problem.
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I don't disagree. Players gotta play
Jan 20, 2020, 11:19 AM
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but you still want your coaches to put the players in their best position to be successful - to make adjustments and take what the defense is giving you - to find something that will work.
Players have to compete against each other, but so do coaches.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 11:19 AM
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Trevor was off like the infamous North Carolina game and we still didn't have a plan B. When early in the third your QB still can't hit the side of a barn you run run run and hopefully he settles down.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 11:52 AM
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Yup, to me that was the difference in the game....over throws by TLaw. Not blaming him entirely for the loss but if he is accurate on those throws, it creates an entirely different game and possibly outcome. But he is human and he is an awesome human at that. So we'll stick with him!
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Well for starters
Jan 20, 2020, 12:15 PM
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3rd and 5 or 3rd and 2 several times throughout not only the National Championship game but the season(s) as well. Elliot calls up a 50/50 or a plain ol "bomb" play. That is all on the coach. Especially frustrating when during the game the pocket has been collapsing and there is no dump off guy for a quick pass and gain first down. Again that is on Coach Elliot. He isn't as bad as the Chad was on 3rd down, but unfortunately he is trending towards that. I believe he can do what needs to be done and correct it. Of course I said the same thing throughout the Natty too.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 2:26 PM
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Absolutely. The Tigers play calling always looks better when we get a few first downs. Then the play caller opens it up. Credit to LSU for the 3 and outs they forced or we just failed to execute and the 1-11 on 3rd downs. We, like most teams, convert more from 3rd and 5 or less and the 2nd half was full of 3rd and 8 or more.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 10:51 AM
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I hear you. Coach Elliott is far better than most OC's based on his character and personality. He continues to work hard and learn on his highly paid job. Unfortunately, he was not close to Aranda and Joe Brady last Monday night. Another learning opportunity.
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I love TE as a person and have no desire to make a change
Jan 20, 2020, 11:02 AM
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Re: I love TE as a person and have no desire to make a change
Jan 20, 2020, 11:33 AM
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Keep in mind that Brady was not the OC. He was considered the passing game coordinator. I am not sure how the roles worked at LSU, but I get the impression that will kind of be the role that Streeter plays next year. I agree that it will be interesting to see how that dynamic works and what will change for next year.
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Thst is 2x NC Coach Elliot .. and fans
Jan 20, 2020, 11:15 AM
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Are stupid. They have to find a scape goat.
If we ran the ball 300 times ...and lost he'd still be a moron who should have thrown more.
Only way you are not a moron is if you win.
Some people just can't take a loss and move on.
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Simply a broad brush, untrue statement.
Jan 20, 2020, 12:17 PM
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I don't want Coach Elliot replaced, but his playcalling is suspect when we only need 5 or less yards for a first down. Not sure how you can argue against that criticism.
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Re: Simply a broad brush, untrue statement.
Jan 20, 2020, 12:30 PM
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Another good question is why we keep ending up 3rd and long. It went on all season long.
I believe fans are more sophisticated now than ever before when it comes to football knowledge. You can't expect fans not to analyze program performance.I'd rather see coaches take a little heat than a 20 year old true sophmore. It was a team loss.
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No way . Fans are simple minded.
Jan 20, 2020, 1:48 PM
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If they analyzed as much as you suggest, they would be coaches. ..
The proof is in these posts. The game of football is won or lost based off the cumulative effect 22 players, Dozens of coaches, a few refs , fans, and even lady luck going at it every 40 seconds for 4
Qrts.
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Re: No way . Fans are simple minded.
Jan 20, 2020, 8:40 PM
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Nick Saban was criticized last year by fans, ex players, talking heads and more. Do you think it was all baseless?
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It was good enough to win 2 NCs
Jan 20, 2020, 1:37 PM
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Didn't read your complaints then.
The so called criticism is ridiculously simple minded. Like 1 person can lose a 4 qrt game.
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I'm discussing 3rd down playcalling.You were happy with it?
Jan 20, 2020, 8:26 PM
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Just asking since you've put yourself on a high pedestal.
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Re: Still seeing a lot of negative posts on Coach Elliot
Jan 20, 2020, 12:21 PM
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The problem I have is going away from what is working. TE9 was heating up and we threw it on every play.
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Should be no need to defend this reasoning
Jan 20, 2020, 12:37 PM
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Some are just too sensitive. We All Love Coach Elliott. The FACTS are that of the six CFP years ( I haven’t looked at anything else) Coach Elliott ranks last among all in terms of an offensive “mind”. Not even looking into statistics which do not tell the whole story. I’m saying unequivocally that he does not hold a candle to any of the other OCs. Do your homework. BUT, as a Leader of men, He is Foremost. If we have to out think a defense “In-Game” we are in trouble. If a team can match us across the board athlete for athlete, we should be nervous. And I believe that that is where most frustration on the play calling stems from.
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How many of those OCs have won 2 national
Jan 20, 2020, 1:22 PM
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Championships?
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Re: How many of those OCs have won 2 national
Jan 20, 2020, 2:19 PM
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Stop with the “he won 2 national championships” BS. Was Elliot on the field playing the game? No. You are acting like Clemson doesn’t have Brent Venables, who creates a bigger impact and is a bigger reason for Clemson’s over Elliot. Sure, Elliot, is a “piece” of the puzzle, but we’d be just fine without him. The players play and the coaches coach.
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Re: How many of those OCs have won 2 national
Jan 20, 2020, 3:21 PM
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Out of 9 playoff games, the offense has played lights out in 6 of them, as well as decent in the OSU game this year. It is not just poor competition that we have played well against. I would even dare to say that it was the offense that carried the load in the first 2 Championships against Alabama.
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Re: Should be no need to defend this reasoning
Jan 20, 2020, 10:46 PM
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I don't know how you determine "last" so that may be a bit of hyperbole, but I agree with the sentiment. CTE is a great recruiter and an even better MAN developing young men... and he is well liked by the players, by all that I can gather.
I will also add in addition to "playcalling" I question whether we have enough varied plays/concepts etc. in our offense to "call" if we needed to in the game.
We will be tested next year, I believe on the offensive side of the ball. CTE will need to assess and adjust. Next year will be a very interesting and pivotal year, IMHO. He as done well enough to win two CFB championships. Will he continue to improve or not?
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