Topic: Steele at LSU will play out
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Steele at LSU will play out

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 10:51 AM

much like while he was at Clemson. He will take all of the existing talent and do well with it for a year or two.

By the time he gets all his guys in there and completely confuses the sheet out of them, the results will be much like they were in the latter half of his career at Clemson.

The guy was a pretty decent coach on some levels, but breaking your hand on a chair and having mini-strokes on the sideline was not good. Having no solution for the repetitive offensive schemes which are killing you with a death of a thousand cuts was inexcusable.

Not to mention the small breaks with reality in which the players and coaches were wondering what the F playbook he was calling plays from.

Good luck LSU. You'll need it.

Their LBs will

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 10:54 AM

become crappy within 2 years. Watch.

The LBs we had on the team were always going to be crappy***

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 11:13 AM

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Maybe Steele should have recruited better ones

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 11:38 AM

Dude didn't even want Ben Boulware. He has no clue what a hard nosed backer looks like.

Re: Steele at LSU will play out

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 10:58 AM

The part I want to see is when the play is starting and the LSU players are waving their hands in the air and asking each other what to do now. They will seldom be able to cover their lanes. The Keystone Kops are on the way to LSU.

That's one way to look at it

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 11:13 AM

Another way to look at it is that when Steele got here, Clemson had a bunch of good DL and DB talent that was experienced, so he was able to do something with it. When those guys graduated, the 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes weren't able to reload at those positions. Let's not forget that there were only 12 guys in the 20009 class, and only 7 defensive players. Of those 7 defensive players, only 4 turned out to be solid contributors. The other three (Shatley, Darrell Smith, C. Hawkins) either turned out to play on the other side of the ball or they weren't very good. And of the 4 that did contribute, Goodman and Shuey took a while to mature, and Meeks was prone to giving up the big play.

The 2008 class had some good DL in it, but didn't really have any DBs that turned out to be any good. The LBs in the class, aside from Willard, never amounted to much.

The first, and only, year when you could really say that Steele was "getting his players" was 2010. Here's who we brought in on defense that year:
DL- T. Barnes, V. Beasley, C. Crawford, T. Thomas, and J. Watson
LB- R. Chaney, J. Nicolopoulos, J. Parker
DB- B. Breeland, D. Brown, M. Jenkins, E. McKelvey, G. Peters, D. Robinson

The LBs obviously didn't work out (again, for various reasons), but that's a pretty solid first class on defense. A lot of those guys turned into stars 2-3 years later.

Steele's last class that he had any effect on was in 2011, although he was fired a few weeks before we signed these guys. Here's who we brought in on defense:

DL- R. Byers, C. Crawford, K. Dodd, J. Gore, G. Jarrett, J. Maybank, D. Williams
LB- S. Anthony, BJ Goodson, T. Steward, L. Townsend, and C. Walls
DB- C. Davis, R. Smith

That's another pretty darn good class. There are a couple of misses and a few guys who switched positions, but there are a bunch of guys who turned out to be key pieces of the #1 defense this year.

So, basically, if you can say that Steele benefitted from the players already on the team, then you can say the same thing about Venables. But you've got to look at who was actually on the team. We didn't recover from the loss of all the LBs to attrition or the lack of DB recruiting until the 2010 and 2011 classes, which were both classes that Steele recruited.

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Re: That's one way to look at it

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 11:59 AM

Steele was not fired before the 2011 class signed. He was fired in 2012 after the OB embarrassment. That he was the coach of that 2011 class's freshman year.

Big difference - Steele path was steadily downhill

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 12:08 PM

BV path is steadily uphill both in production and player talent recruited. He did more with what he had and has improved the recruits.

It doesn't say how good or bad Steele may be for LSU. Maybe in spite of his coaching, the talent they have and will be able to recruit will cover a lot of the flaws. I'm not yet convinced Miles will let him create a defense so complicated that even Miles can't understand it, too. (Insert joke about how simple the scheme will need to be as a result....)

You've got a heck of an accurate memory

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 3:43 PM

Thanks for the great response, Guru.

You're living up to your name.

It's also very telling about the community approach to recruiting in that we didn't lose much after Steele was fired.

Re: Steele at LSU will play out

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 12:20 PM

Steele *may* be a good x's and o's guy but he sucks as a coach. Players have a hard time learning his system and it seems like he doesn't know how to instill toughness or motivate his guys. I definitely think LSU's defense will regress while he's there.

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LSU better hope....

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 12:45 PM

that they never play GT under Steele.
That is all.

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or any team with a decent running QB***

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 4:50 PM

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Re: Steele at LSU will play out

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 12:58 PM

I think he's just an ok coordinator, all things considered. The talent is 2011 was down a bit, and it was young. However, his schemes didn't help at all, and the Orange Bowl was a disaster.

His 2009 and 2010 defenses had a lot of talent and fared well according to the stats, but they were mostly a product of the poor ACC offenses at that time. His defense (or lack of it) in the 2009 ACC CG was a joke, and South Carolina had no trouble moving the ball on it.

It also seemed like his defenses could never hold a tight lead as I recall a lot of close losses in the 2009 and 2010 seasons. The games were either a blowout or we lost a close one. Some of it is on the offense, no doubt, but the defense never came up big (like they often have recently). TCU, GTx2, Maryland, Auburn, UNC, BC, and Florida State were the games we lost by a TD or less with Steele.

He could be fine at LSU, as they seem to just reload talent, but he is a clear step down from Chavis. However, the defense being "just fine" at LSU often leads to 8 win seasons as they've rarely had solid offense there.

Re: Steele at LSU will play out

Posted: Jan 14, 2015 4:30 PM

Duh! Hasn't he been hired at Louisville? Not LSU!

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