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Legend [15492]
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Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 1:34 AM
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On the news about the Russians paying Isis bounties on allied soldiers.
For the moment, we must assume the information is at a minimum level credible. Apparently credible enough to share with Britain, but that doesn't make it a certainty. More reporting will tell us, as multiple outlets have confirmed the story.
Even the Pres. Secretary complained yesterday that "...if people within the U.S. intelligence community leak classified information, then no one will want to talk to them..".
If it's not true, it can't be classified. But everyone can debate all of that till the cows come home.
Now to the question. Let's give Trump the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was never briefed on this information.
But he knows now. What should he or any other President do if the information is true? What should he or shouldn't he do with Russia?
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present them with a reset button***
Jul 2, 2020, 1:36 AM
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Re: present them with a reset button***
Jul 2, 2020, 1:44 AM
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No, seriously. If you were President, what would you do?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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IDK
Jul 2, 2020, 1:49 AM
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bomb the crap out of them...is that the right answer?
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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Who am I expected to satisfy with my hypothetical response?
Jul 2, 2020, 7:57 AM
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John Bolton
AOC
Omar
You
The average Trump hater or the average Trump supporter or some moderate who isn't in either camp, Felix?
What is the goal? Is it to make the response so serious that Russia would rather chit in their mama's best cast iron cornbread skillet or to satisfy someone on the above list?
Narrow this down and we'll have an honest discussion, please.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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1980's foreign policy
Jul 2, 2020, 8:01 AM
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How come a serious, honest, question
Jul 2, 2020, 8:38 AM
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gets these sorts of answers?
We're great at saying what various presidents do wrong (including the current one of course). What's wrong with asking what we SHOULD do?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Because, it's fun...
Jul 2, 2020, 8:41 AM
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too much serious yesterday....
and it's a Felix thread
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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and I don't know the answer***
Jul 2, 2020, 8:42 AM
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All-In [34105]
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I'm being totally serious all day today.
Jul 2, 2020, 8:42 AM
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Except for the end of that one post just now where I said pee tape.
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Re: Let me check real quick like...
Jul 2, 2020, 9:51 AM
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Because I didn't have an answer yet. That's why I was reading other people's responses, to see what other thoughtful people might have come up with.
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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That's a lie.
Jul 3, 2020, 8:30 PM
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You read my responses and know I'm not the least bit thoughtful.
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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Look.
Jul 3, 2020, 8:28 PM
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Without knowing the details, all of the intelligence and the level of confidence the intelligence people have in the story there is no ####### way I'm going to take a stab at something like this.
If we learned nearly nothing from Russiagate surely we learned that.
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If he wears a mask while doing it, he'll be fine.***
Jul 2, 2020, 1:37 AM
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 2:06 AM
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 2:23 AM
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From my perspective, if I were President I would completely break off diplomatic relations with them, throwing their entire staffs out of this country, and then remove their access to banking's SWIFT system.
And let them stew for a few months. You don't want a war where more American's will perish, but you can't have diplomatic standing with this country if you put bounties on the heads of it's soldiers.
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 8:53 AM
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I'll try a legit answer too...I work in the defense and intelligence industry and have had a high clearance for a long time. I said this on another post, but this type of stuff is routine, but is not typically leaked. The leaker should and could go to jail for a long time.
Just having a bounty on US heads is not a big deal. Someone still has to act on it. Plus, since we obviously know/knew about it, our Soldiers can mitigate the risk. This is a nothing story.
As president, you would not do what you said you would because you would have awareness of how these situations happen, why, how much, etc. and the history of similar situations in the past.
If you are so worked up about this, your head would explode knowing what Russia and China overtly do in the cyber domain. I say "overt" which is a bit misleading...it is overt in the sense that we can with 99.9% certainty trace it back to Russia/China government-supported and initiated activity.
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 9:42 AM
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Good thing you, Felix, aren't president.
Ever heard the expression...'Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer'?
The Gang of Eight (including Pelosi, Schitt and Schumer) also had access to the same intelligence and apparently did nothing either. What say you now?
Get a life....
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 3, 2020, 2:47 PM
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The information was hidden from the Gang of 8, they were only briefed 2 days ago.
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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Imo, he should definitely not allow Russia to...
Jul 2, 2020, 6:37 AM
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invade Ukraine. Unfair?
We should respond exactly the same and start a rumor in Russia that Putin is in bed with Trump and is, always has been and always will be an American plant. Surely Russians aren't as smart as those who believed that rumor in America.
We'll need Chris Steele, Glen Simpson and a few million bucks. Let Obama run this opp and make sure we put the right people on it.
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You act as though this is the first instance of such a thing
Jul 2, 2020, 7:20 AM
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ever happening. A "reward" for the head of a US Military member has been around for a long time - I know it was used in Vietnam. How about the numerous times the Soviets rammed our US Navy warships in the Black sea? That is a physical act of war. Should we have them torpedoed? Or harpooned them?
A US Military member in a war zone is susceptible to death at any moment - adding a reward does not change that. In fact, it might actually place the enemy at more risk as it prompts them to take steps they may not have previously considered - because of the danger to themselves. Perhaps, even, a reward is being offered because the danger is so great to enemy troops that they are losing the will to fight - except now there is a "reward" they might be able to collect on.
There a a number of reasons why the US does not go off half cocked in these situations. Whether true or not.
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Re: You act as though this is the first instance of such a thing
Jul 3, 2020, 2:03 PM
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ever happening. A "reward" for the head of a US Military member has been around for a long time - I know it was used in Vietnam. How about the numerous times the Soviets rammed our US Navy warships in the Black sea? That is a physical act of war. Should we have them torpedoed? Or harpooned them?
A US Military member in a war zone is susceptible to death at any moment - adding a reward does not change that. In fact, it might actually place the enemy at more risk as it prompts them to take steps they may not have previously considered - because of the danger to themselves. Perhaps, even, a reward is being offered because the danger is so great to enemy troops that they are losing the will to fight - except now there is a "reward" they might be able to collect on.
There a a number of reasons why the US does not go off half cocked in these situations. Whether true or not.
BS it doesn't change the danger. $100,000 per American head puts a whole lot of preference into an enemy's strategy. Go after Americans for $100 Grand or go after Afghani Govt. Forces for nothing?
You're actually trying to rationalize how it is really ok for Russia to put bounties on U.S. troops with no consequence. Really? It's come to this?
The last time I checked, we're not at war with Russia. Yet it appears, that Russia is at war with us. Offering a bounty for a dead U.S. soldier is an act of war.
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 7:49 AM
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First of all the “ speculation” that bounties were paid, we’re to the Taliban not isis. Second of all, if true, do you only think it’s been happening since Trump took office? That’s just silly. Third, what’s the extra incentive to kill Americans in Afghanistan? $1.50? 2 soldiers killed this year, sounds like a terrible program.
It’s already been said that trump isn’t briefed on unconfirmed intelligence, can you imagine how much of that information exists? This another hit piece to get Russia in the news with Trump. Fact is, Trump has been tougher on Russia than anyone since Reagan. It’s a joke.
Now if it’s true, the UN should handle it. Earn those trillions of dollars we’ve paid the UN over the years by doing your job!
I love seeing democrats act concerned about the military. Lololol. I mean Biden is up by 20 points, why continue this game?
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Re: Serious, honest question for the board.
Jul 2, 2020, 7:56 AM
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Putin said they did not do it, and I take him at his word.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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the sad part is...
Jul 2, 2020, 8:09 AM
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between Putin and NYT...it's a toss up.
How have we gotten here?
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Is it though?
Jul 2, 2020, 8:41 AM
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What's the Times's record compared to the guy from the KGB who poisons his enemies and blackmails our president with a pee tape ok I went too far there.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I don't necessarily disagree with you.....
Jul 2, 2020, 8:43 AM
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I'll put it this way.
Jul 2, 2020, 9:54 AM
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If you know a more reputable source of journalism than the NY Times, let me know and we can compare them.
The whole "NY Times lol" thing is very 2003. Every news source has gotten things wrong, but the NY Times is a more reliable source than most, and that's putting it mildly.
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Did you watch the movie "Charlie Wilson's War"...?***
Jul 2, 2020, 8:33 AM
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Re: Did you watch the movie "Charlie Wilson's War"...?***
Jul 3, 2020, 2:44 PM
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Loved that movie.
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Who is to say he didn't get briefed? And did something?
Jul 2, 2020, 8:57 AM
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I'm thinking if I was President and something similar happened I'd direct the CIA to offer bounties on Russian soldiers in Syria. And all of this would be under the table of course.
Now assuming I did this, then the NY Times brings it up, I'd be sure to act like it was news to me. Because if you admit knowing about it, the Russians may figure things out.
I dunno. But I can see that possibility. Media so eager to nail Trump they screw up the covert response to it.
Or it could be just as the media says. Who knows.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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which does make me think of a serious response...
Jul 2, 2020, 9:12 AM
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I guess the first thing I'd do is find out who is leaking national security info to the NYT.
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"Sources say..."***
Jul 2, 2020, 9:18 AM
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All administrations do, and some "leaks" are
Jul 2, 2020, 10:01 AM
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done with the knowledge of the administration and is for tactical purposes.
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We could do what other smart countries do
Jul 2, 2020, 10:56 AM
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Fly our planes and sail our ships within feet of there's, right up to the edge of their territory, taunting them and begging them to do something so we can call it a declaration of war and make Nato fight them. Become a fly in their ointment.
I know we would never do anything like that, though. So I guess go on tv and blast them, and send all of their diplomats back home. Maybe send arms to some neighboring countries of theirs that aren't a fan.
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The Bolton Strategy
Jul 2, 2020, 11:18 AM
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I think The Bolton Strategy
Jul 2, 2020, 11:20 AM
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would be to mispronounce negotiations, and then say that because Russia is friends with Iran, we must attack Iran.
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The 'Axis of Evil' was N.Korea, Venezuela, Iran , & Libya...
Jul 3, 2020, 2:31 PM
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N.Korea because Kim has nukes and doesn't play friendly with anybody...
Venezuela and Iran are about the oil...
Libya was about oil... (and of course their attempt at a gold standard was the final straw)
None play with the World Bank or the IMF. All were under sanctions. SOP.
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