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Safety issues on the hill. Seriously!?!?
Oct 10, 2017, 10:31 AM
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Am I correct that I read that the changes to hill seating stem from that fact that there were several injuries on the hill during the Notre Dame game in 2015?
So you are telling me that during a game played in tropical storm rains of epic proportions that fans standing on a steep grassy incline may have caused a few fans to slip or fall and hurt themselves?
Why did this surprise people and what does that game have to do with the other 99% of Clemson football games that will not be played during 1000 year storms? During that game there were people bogging down in the mud in the grass lots. The administration didn't reduce the number of people parking in the those lots in future seasons because it was a (hopefully) once in a lifetime occurrence.
Making any changes to future policies based on events that took place during that game makes absolutely no sense! If they want to reduce fans no The Hill for the next game we play during a tropical storm then I am all for it. Until then, go back to filling The Hill and showing the country what makes Clemson special on game days!
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Re: Safety issues on the hill. Seriously!?!? Too many
Oct 10, 2017, 10:54 AM
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lawyers. Not enough ambulances. Sadly the world in which we live
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don't forget helicopter parents
Oct 10, 2017, 11:01 AM
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they play a significant role in how the current student generation behaves.
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Well since there is only one
Oct 10, 2017, 11:40 AM
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law school in SC except for the Charleston School of Law that has only been there for 6 years and is not very good, I would say the U of Scar? Nothing wrong with going to Clemson to get an education and South Carolina to learn a trade 
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Unless your trade is
Oct 10, 2017, 12:34 PM
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stealing from people.
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Double Aught, Double Aught ain't gonna like this.***
Oct 10, 2017, 3:43 PM
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Re: Safety issues on the hill. Seriously!?!?
Oct 10, 2017, 10:58 AM
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Clemson absolutely should get rid of intramural sports. Rolled ankles, inadvertent elbows to the face. Oh the inhumanity.
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I agree with you in part but I see it differently....
Oct 10, 2017, 11:07 AM
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I agree with your statements about just slipping but the greater issue with the crowd there in my mind is with being at the bottom of the hill when the crowd surges forward at the end of the game to rush the field. My seats are in section K next to the band. Where I'm sitting, I can stare down the back line of the endzone by the Hill. There have been many close games including the Notre Dame game where I have seen the crowd pinning the students against the fence. I recall telling my wife that someones gonna die like the Hillsboro disaster (96 died):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6kAtdwNJ5s
That's an extreme example, The Army Navy game a few years back is a better example of what could happen at Clemson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqyJPGZcdc
I think they could strike a happy medium with safety and filling the hill.
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I get that
Oct 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
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but why would that game be the main reference point?
There have been many other huge games but they chose the game where the conditions for standing on The Hill were absolutely horrible. If they said they are trying to reduce risk of injury due to overcrowding in general then I would understand better. Using the Notre Dame game as the injuries that caused the reasoning just doesn't make as much sense in terms of making a policy for all home games.
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Re: watch the hill after Marcus Edmunds INT at 2:46:44
Oct 10, 2017, 12:22 PM
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I watched all the way from the start of the last play until the start of the Dabo interview. Yes there are tons of people moving down The Hill quickly to try to get on the field. In my opinion it looks like things moved smoothly (but it does take a while to empty the hill. and I did not see any major issues with what happened. I do see where someone could get hurt and thankfully it did not appear in the video that anyone did. I can't imagine it's ever any worse than a game that is won on the very last play so that NC State game should be about the worst that it gets in fair weather. I see no reason for all of the added fencing and security based on that video.
If the end of the game is the reason to reduce the number of people then maybe they could make the gate larger to allow more people to get out more quickly.
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Little difference in structure...
Oct 10, 2017, 1:48 PM
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The walls at Hillsboro were like a cage; no way to get in or out. Serious life-threatening conditions
The wall at the bottom of the hill is what, 3 feet high?
Not trying to downplay safety here, it's just totally a case of apples to oranges
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Re: I never knew how horrible Hillsboro
Oct 10, 2017, 12:59 PM
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The worst part was the English Ronald Reagan leaked fake stories to the press claiming the Liverpool fans were urinating on the dead bodies of their own fans.
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wasn't hilsborough the same place where they managed
Oct 10, 2017, 1:41 PM
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to barbecue several hundred fans alive because they had wooden stands and were using the ground below as a kind of rubbish bin for 40 years' worth of rubbish?
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Re: I agree with you in part but I see it differently....
Oct 10, 2017, 2:17 PM
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This. The aforementioned Hillsboro incident is now synonymous with tragedy, and the stigma will be forever present. God forbid a similar incident leaving such a dark cloud over beloved University.
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Hillsborough
Oct 10, 2017, 2:40 PM
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is still a functioning stadium where 2nd division team Sheffield Wednesday plays. But they got rid of the standing room only area, as did most big english stadiums did
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Clemson should worry more about the safety issues
Oct 10, 2017, 11:47 AM
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Cat Bus drivers seem to be causing.
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Re: Safety issues on the hill. Seriously!?!?
Oct 10, 2017, 1:22 PM
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There is probably something to this line of thought. I am not usually a conspiracy theorist but I can't imagine anyone actually thought all of these changes would work well.
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Money, I'm sure, is always a factor but I'm telling you,
Oct 10, 2017, 3:41 PM
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I sit in Section K and stare down the back side of the hill endzone. This is what I have observed:
when its a big time game, and it comes down to the wire, the students all surge forward to rush the field.
When there is a lapse in time between when the game is decided on a big defensive stop
i.e. 2015 Notre Dame 2 point conversion with 8 seconds left on the clock (Boulware, Watkins, etc) or 2016 Louisville with 33 seconds on the clock (Marcus Edmonds) the crowd will surge but then something else will have to take place before the end of the game; in the case of Notre Dame an onsides kick attempt, in the case of Louisville, a review of the spot of the tackle out of bounds of Quick and then Deshaun had to take a knee. Look at this video at this mark and look at the people trapped between the middle and side gates of the hill. They've been there since Edmonds tackled Quick with all those thousands of people pressing them against the gate. I've seen this close up not from a blimp.
2:56:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6RkrDcm3ac&pbjreload=10
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Re: Safety issues on the hill. Seriously!?!?
Oct 10, 2017, 3:34 PM
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We need to make it clear to IPTAY that if the stadium experience is degraded by trying to pump more ticket revenue out of fans under the auspices of "improved safety" then IPTAY donations will suffer. If safety is more important than stadium atmosphere, people can watch it on TV.
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What is Tanner Muse doing on The Hill?***
Oct 10, 2017, 3:50 PM
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