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For those opposed to renaming Tillman Hall...


Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:39 AM
 

Does it matter that the name was changed in 1962? Clemson was desegregated in 1963. I doubt this was a coincidence.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:40 AM
 



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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:45 AM
 

Don’t confuse him he’s on a roll

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:46 AM
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tillman_Hall


Wikipedia says 1962 for renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Gantt


Harvey Gantt enrolled one school in January 1963

Which dates did i get wrong?

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Right date, wrong campus

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:49 AM
 

Have you ever even been to Clemson? You should go sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tillman_Hall_at_Clemson_University

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:53 AM
 

I stand corrected... i couldn’t figure out why there were 2 different wiki pages for Tillman hall...

So when was Tillman Hall at Clemson renamed? I can’t find a date anywhere!

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1946


Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:55 AM
 

https://www.clemson.edu/about/history/bios/ben-tillman.html


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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 10:14 AM
 

Thanks for history lesson. Very important that we do not destroy it. Otherwise we would not
know Benjamin R. Tillman was a democrat.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 11:30 AM
 

yea, not sure why Tillman's name is on anything at Clemson, or anywhere but his gravestone. What we do need to do is learn the history of the people and the place. That is not present day Clemson, present day South Carolina or present day America.

Taking his name off the building seems appropriate, especially since someone changed the name to Tillman Hall however we should not forget the history associated with it, else we repeat it or anything like it.

"The building officially became known as Tillman Hall on the fiftieth anniversary of Clemson’s first graduating class in 1946, when it was renamed in memory of Benjamin Ryan Tillman, the former South Carolina governor, U.S. senator, and ardent voice for the establishment of the college. In 1963 Tillman Hall was the site where the architecture student Harvey Gantt peacefully enrolled in school, the first African American to be admitted to Clemson. Since the late 1960s Tillman Hall has been the home of the university’s School of Education, and its auditorium hosts lectures, concerts, and other events."

The part that is missing from this:

Probably due to Tillman’s political prominence and his determined advocacy for agricultural education, Thomas Green Clemson shared with Tillman his plans for willing his estate to the state of South Carolina for the purpose of establishing an agricultural college. In a meeting with Tillman, Richard W. Simpson and Daniel K. Norris at Fort Hill shortly before his death, Clemson shared his plans, seeking the advice and support of the other three men, which they eagerly provided. After Clemson’s death, Tillman helped lead the political fight to have the state accept Clemson’s bequest, and he was appointed by Clemson as one of the original seven successor trustees of Clemson Agricultural College. For the remainder of his life, Tillman was a powerful advocate and supporter of the school, and he was very proud of his role in its development.

One of Tillman’s major contributions to the discussion with Clemson, Simpson and Norris had been rooted in his fear of African-Americans being admitted to the college at some point in the future. Clemson’s will did not specify that only white students would be admitted. However, the Board of Trustees was to be structured so that a contingent of successor trustees would be self-perpetuating and thus independent of state government control or influence.

As governor, Tillman supported the creation of Clemson College through the establishment of a convict labor camp where a predominantly African-American crew of inmates cleared land, made bricks and constructed many of the original campus buildings.

It was a different time, people have to acknowledge that and also acknowledge that is not todays world either. Yes it existed. No it doesn't exist today.

Useful dates:
1865 - end of the Civil War (Thomas Green Clemson is a prisoner)
1865-1866 - after his parole T G Clemson pursues the establishment of an agricultural college in SC (previously passed Morel Act allows land grant institutions) Simpson and Norris are enlisted to help the cause
1875-1888 - TG Clemson formalizes in his will the desire to establish a land grant AG college on the grounds Ft Hill, his wife Anna Calhoun Clemson's family estate. Anna died in Sept 1875 and the estate is completely in the hand-off TG Clemson. Clemson signed his will leaving the land and the establishment of the South Carolina Agricultural College (Future Clemson University).
1888 - Thomas Green Clemson dies.
1893 - Clemson University Opens after financial and legal struggles
1896 - SCOTUS ruling in Plessy vs Ferguson upholds "separate but equal" (SC State University is the "other' land grant school)
1923 - George Washington Carver speaks at Clemson, Carver is a professor at the Washington T Booker Tuskegee Institute. He spoke to over 1000 at the Main Hall... later to be name "Tillman Hall"...
1927 - Clemson becomes an accredited College
1932 - First women enroll in day classes (driven by economics not equality)
1933 - IPTAY founded, economics of Great Depression increased funding for sports.
1940 - Frank Howard is hired as the head football coach
1954 - SCOTUS Brown vs Board of education ruling overturns "separate but equal"
1955 - Clemson becomes fully co-educational
1960 - Charleston native Harvey Gantt applies and is turned down for admission (incomplete application is cited)
1962 - Charleston native Harvey Gantt is accepted to Clemson after a legal battle settled out of court
1964 - Harvey Gantt graduates with honors(later becomes a two term may of Charlotte,NC)

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020, 10:32 PM
 

I read where Simpson wrote the final will that stood, even with a family member contesting it. There is no doubt Tillman was the main cheerleader promoting the school and with the political savvy to make it happen. Historically he was certainly a key figure, though apparently a retched individual.

I'll lose no sleep over the name being dropped.

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020, 8:55 AM
 

Why would anyone be interested in a bio on Tillman....nobody was interested in a bio on George Floyd...loaded with drugs and a rap sheet as long as your arm...nobody cared!

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 12:11 PM
 

From what I understand that's not written into history, you're wrong in saying Harvey Gantt was the first black student at Clemson, he was the second, but the first to graduate. The first black student enrolled the year prior to Gantt. Gantt transferred in the following year as a junior and was the first to graduate.

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020, 10:14 PM
 

OK, that info was from the Clemson website history ... do you know the name of the first stud?

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L O effin L***

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 1:12 PM
 

But it was on Wiki! How could it be wrong?

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:52 AM
 

Winthrop's Tillman Hall. It was basically the women's equivalent of Clemson, back in the day...

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FOOTBALL***

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 9:57 AM
 



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Wrong


Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 12:54 PM
 

again.

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Re: For those opposed to renaming Tillman Hall...


Posted: Jun 14, 2020, 10:42 PM
 

Change the name if that’s what the people want. I don’t want students walking in and out of there all oppressed. I just don’t know what George Floyd had to do with it. Why does everyone assume the cop killed him because of racism? Why didn’t he kill every black person he apprehended?

Say you want to change it because Tillman was a bad man, but don’t say because a black man was lynched in Minneapolis. No one knows the facts. Floyd could have been cutting in on the cop’s drug racket at the club “that they both worked”.

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