Re: Republicans have always been called on to clean up after

1975 Ford and the Fall of Saigon
1989 Reagan abandons Lebanon after Marine Barracks are blown up
1991 Bush abandons Kurds in Northern Iraq
2019 Trump withdraws support from Kurds in Syria

Vietnam was probably the worst of the worst. If you take the long view, Trump's exit from Syria is hardly unique.

While on the face of it he comes off looking like Erdogan's chump, he could have handled it by simply asking the neocons the one critical question that should always be front and center, which is defining what American interests are in that particular foreign nation.

This is a proxy war. Russia has used Syriay, and US has used the Kurds and Iraq as our proxies. We are basically letting Russia extend themselves deeper into the pit. I'm sure the oligarchs see some business opportunity there, but it is not so compelling from the American point of view.

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Re: you're only saying that because I failed to mention

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it was also Democrats who got us into WWI and WWII - two other wars we had no business in....

And here's where you're freaking insane.

You can argue we got $ucked into WWI - actually everybody got but $ucked into WWI because of entangling alliances and mutual defense pacts - but the Germans made it hard to stay neutral when they launched unrestricted submarine warfare and started merrily torpedoing anything that floated regardless of flag. Once the Lusitania went down there was no president anywhere who could have backed down and stayed elected. When somebody starts murdering your citizens, you're at war. (Yes, the Lusitania was probably carrying weapons. The Germans still made the decision to involve us when they took down that boat.)

WW2...if you would have backed off after the Japanese launched an unannounced, unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor without a declaration of war...well, I seriously question your manhood. And there was simply no living in peace with the Nazis anyhow; either we went after them while we still had allies left standing or they were going to come after us once they'd put them down. Hitler proved over and over and over again he was simply not going to stop...ever.

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Which was the worst "cut and run" decision of all time?

Republicans have always been called on to clean up after

there's truth in this statement. there would not have

As much as I'd really like to blame the democrats with all..

Anyone who blames all wars from the past 100 years on one

Re: there's truth in this statement. there would not have

When did you become a full throttle shitposter?***

you're only saying that because I failed to mention

Are you chitting me?

Re: you're only saying that because I failed to mention

You're kidding, right? Especially about Nixon.***

pretty sure it was Nixon who pulled our troops out of

I'm blowing the whistle.

My draft lottery # was 5 as freshman at Clemson

Re: pretty sure it was Nixon who pulled our troops out of

You think it was better that Nixon sabotaged the

Re: You think it was better that Nixon sabotaged the

Re: pretty sure it was Nixon who pulled our troops out of

Drawing a red line and ignoring American enemies crossing it

We have three events with 30-45 years of history

Our military is phenomenal at winning any armed conflict.

Syria and Isis were not at all on the scale

2016 when 45 Rs retired from the house***

2018***

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