Re: Regarding the massive ALIEN structure spotted in space.

So NASA is apparently saying that they are legitimately considering aliens as a possible reason for some structure spotted in space some 1500 light years away.

1 problem. If it WERE aliens, they would need to have survived 1500 years after whatever we see.
They could be alive.
They could be extinct.
They could have developed into a massive interstellar superpower bent on multiple world dominations.
They could have devolved as a society after a devastating nuclear war.
It might not even be aliens.
etc.

Fact of the matter is this. The universe is so big that we can literally see into the past without knowing the present (when looking great distances away)
It's like taking a picture of yourself and mailing it to someone. They are seeing you 2 or 3 days ago.
So even if it is alien, there is no guarantee what state they are currently in.
Furthermore, assuming we found out it were alien and developed a light speed spacecraft that could slow down and speed up with out killing the passengers, we would still need over 1500 years to get there. Considerably more when factoring in those acceleration times. So when we would get there it would have been 3000 years from when we first saw them. 1. It would need to be a multi-multi-multi generational spacecraft. 2. It would need incredible amounts of room for the storage of food and fuel. 3. Traveling at that speed presents tremendous trouble with avoiding contact with any space debris (any size object could prove disastrous). 4. The crew after 1 or 2 generations will begin to question the trip, will be potentially more curious about the EARTH they have never seen and all of the things about it. The trip will have to be a DUTY and one they may abandon. Is it even ethical or possible to send people on a trip like this. We could send AI which is not developed yet either but they won't represent the CURRENT US but rather the us from 1500 years ago, when they make contact with the alien civilization that may or may not even be there anymore. Any return trip with the info would then take another 1500 years. sigh.

Ultimately, unless we develop some kind of warp drive that bends space AND time and allows for travel across much greater distances, it is pointless for us to even look that far.

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Oct 16, 2015, 3:07 AM

If it's alien, it's probably an AMAT farm, not a Dyson Sphere.

Basically, the science goes, we're in the Fission Age. The true "Fusion" age - cold fusion, all that jazz - will be the next one, and it will start when humans can get their hands on fairly large quantities of Helium-3, an isotope you'd find primarily in the atmospheres of gas giants. Look at Jupiter and Saturn and start thinking those big gasballs are the next gen's Saudi Arabia, because that's how important Helium-3 is likely to be to future generations.

The generation after that will, according to the eggheads, be powered by AMAT - antimatter. The problem with AMAT is that there just isn't much of it, so the best place to grab those rare but extremely potent particles would be scatter off a sun. Imagine what basically amount to giant butterfly nets floating in space, each thousands or tends of thousands of miles in diameter, that catch those uber-rare AMAT particles spat out - "farms", in other words.

None of them are putting their name to it publicly, but that's what a lot of scientists think the phenomenon the Kepler Array is seeing is - a giant AMAT farm array being deployed by an XT civ. We'll likely be doing that in a couple hundred years ourselves.

Not that it probably matters particularly to us anytime soon, since an XT civ with Helium-3 fusion tech could probably build a starship...albeit one that caps at probably 1/10 lightspeed. An AMAT civ could probably beat that by three times...the estimated cap for a starship there would probably be 3/10 lightspeed. In order to get ships up to 90% or more of lightspeed, you'd need some monster push, an in-system array that could send massive amounts of energy at a starship's solar sail and give it a "boost" on the way out of the system, which is way above AMAT tech, or you'd need something called "nanopoles", strictly theoretical objects that are orders of magnitude above what an AMAT civ could build.

And at 3/10 lightspeed, the aforementioned AMAT civ 1,500 light-years away would take about 5,000 years to reach us. So don't expect the AMAT farmers to be along anytime soon, if they even exist.

FTL travel is not mathematically possible except via the aforementioned wormholes. And nobody's ever had the first indication of one. We've never seen one, or even the indication of one...and the thing is, even a civ that could build them would still first have to get here from wherever they came from to drop one off. Which again, is going to take awhile.

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Regarding the massive ALIEN structure spotted in space.

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OMG that's a real simulated photo of a alien space ship.

So, if it was out there 1500 years ago?

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What if they are hot alien chicks looking to be impregnated by earth men?***

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Hope Dr. Hawking figures all this out before he dies.