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Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs
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Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 10:23 AM

Since this is the topic of the week, thank god we got off of the “loss” we suffered last week, I have been giving it a lot of thought.

Expanding to 8 while maintaining the same number of regular seasons games is a long shot. Making conference champion automatic qualifiers won’t work either. What do you do with Notre Dame?

The only real plausible solution is to “fix” the disparity in scheduling you have throughout the season. Right now their is a huge difference in how each team, and to some extent, how conferences schedule regular season games.

Regular season games should mean something and have playoff implications. Simply have the CFP committee say that if you want to be considered for the CFP playoffs you must schedule 10 Power 5 conference opponents and you cannot play more than 1 FCS opponent. That would level the scheduling and force teams to play competitive games throughout the season and it will make it much easier for the CFP to select the top 4 teams. It also fixes the SEC built in bias (like now having 8 teams in the top 25 - give me a break) because they play NO one outside of their conference.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 10:33 AM

When would you start enforcing the "mandatory 10 power 5" rule?

Schedules have been made sometimes 10 years in advance. Hard to make a rule effective immediately and rule out some teams who did everything right for when the schedule was made.

Also anyone who has UCF, Fresno, Boise and teams like that scheduled for a tough OOC game would get penalized because those teams are not power 5.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 10:37 AM

I give them 5 years to work things out. If buyouts have to be made the CFP committee could pay it.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 10:38 AM [ in reply to Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs ]

My proposal still allows for up to 2 group of 5 games a year. Schedule of strength would still be a criteria, but it would certainly help level the playing field.

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That won't work because it would literally


Nov 29, 2018, 10:34 AM

eliminate all non Power 5 teams from consideration. What would teams like UCF do if they're told they have to schedule 10 P5 teams?

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Re: That won't work because it would literally


Nov 29, 2018, 10:39 AM

They need to have their own championship series.

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All of the non-Power 5 teams are already eliminated...


Nov 29, 2018, 11:13 AM [ in reply to That won't work because it would literally ]

From a practical standpoint, the non-Power 5 teams have no real chance of ever playing for a National Championship.

Of course, there are also plenty of Power 5 teams, like u5c, that have no real chance of ever playing for a National Championship either.




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According to the ole google box there are currently 128 "FBS


Nov 29, 2018, 10:46 AM

schools. turns out 16 goes into 128 real nice like. 8 16 team conferences so first week in December is the first round of the playoffs. No at larges, only division winners. You can still have your debate shows based on the seeding after that.

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Re: According to the ole google box there are currently 128 "FBS


Nov 29, 2018, 11:20 AM

No one will watch the first round games. They will all be blow outs. Since the cfp has started there has only been 2 competitive semifinal games, the rest were blowouts. And that is with the top 4. When you start play 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, it will be a joke.

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You mean just like the NCAA basketball tournament?***


Nov 29, 2018, 11:25 AM



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Re: You mean just like the NCAA basketball tournament?***


Nov 29, 2018, 11:33 AM

The problem with basketball is the regular season means little as compared to football. In addition, there is no competition for TV viewers in March/April for basketball. More competition in December/January for college football.

There are no absolutes. That’s why there is a big debate. I just threw out what I thought could work and benefit everyone.

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I have often maintained...


Nov 29, 2018, 11:48 AM

that the FBS should adopt the same championship format the FCS teams currently use.

24 team playoff. The top eight seeds get a first round bye. Higher seeds host each game through the quarter finals. The semi final game would then rotate among he New Years Six bowls just like they do now. The host city for the Championship game would be determined by a bidding process just like it is now.

The teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs could still be invited to play in the other bowl games.

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You aren't really getting a 1-16 match up


Nov 29, 2018, 12:09 PM [ in reply to Re: According to the ole google box there are currently 128 "FBS ]

necessarily. And yes, there will be some clunker games, but that already happens.
Round one would be not much different than Saturday, just more games.

At the end of the day, this makes it so all teams know from day one what they have to do to get in. No undefeated would be left out and no team would be allowed to play one fewer game, than any other participant.

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Google needs an update.


Nov 29, 2018, 7:52 PM [ in reply to According to the ole google box there are currently 128 "FBS ]

130 FBS teams.

1 or 2 FCS schools move up every year, usually at the invite of CAA or Sunbelt Conferences. With a conference affiliation, 7-9 of your games are immediately scheduled for you, so a newly minted FBS team only has to become fodder--or find fodder--for 3-5 games in their initial season. Then you have a case like Liberty, who had made all their plans to go FBS this year, only to be voted NO by their "friends" in the Sun Belt. They did not choose to stay FCS. Since they only had 5 games scheduled, they had to scramble to find 7 more opponents to complete their first schedule as an FBS Independent, but they did.

This is something the casual fan has no grasp of. The movement up the FBS ladder cannot be frozen.

You cannot make iron clad scheduling rules for college football. The college football ecosystem is a ladder, and yes, it's boring when the top of the ladder doesn't change. But there is constant change occurring farther down the ladder. It is not the NFL, with a fixed number of teams, where parity of talent can be achieved through salary restrictions, and where central scheduling makes everyone somewhat equal.

The NCAA attempts to regulate over 1000 independent member institutions (only about half have football programs.) All have different traditions and rivalries, but it is football that inspires the fan base. It is the lifeblood and money tree of college sports. (Also the biggest cost, by far, so schools are constantly evaluating which direction to move their programs.)

Every rule you legislate to effect scheduling affects every school on that ladder and their ability to climb or drop on that ladder.

What we see as 'easy fixes' have tremendous ripple effects throughout the ecosystem.

BTW, the best place to see a listing of all 130 FBS schools that I've found is espn.com>NCAAF>Standings.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 11:38 AM

its too much if a risk financially....

Imagine being the 7th or 8th ranked team...There is no way fans could afford to go to potentially 4 different locations across the country in as many weeks...Could you imagine if we had to go to Cali, GA, TX, and then where the natty is??

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 11:38 AM

I guess we have no chance in 2021 as we only play 9 power 5 games.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 11:43 AM

I said I would give schools 5 years to comply with the criteria. If my math is correct that would be 2023.

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Fix what? 4 is perfect.***


Nov 29, 2018, 11:49 AM



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no need to get so complicated, either go to 8 or


Nov 29, 2018, 12:17 PM

stay at 4 but create a whole different final four for the group of 5, essentially making it a sub division of FBS. Football was never intended to have this many teams in what was 1A anyway, more and more teams have moved "Up" over the years and now its so watered down it needs to be split.

It would be like giving everyone an A on a test, then an A loses its meaning. The current situation for group of five really isn't fair to them because they are trapped in a purgatory not being part of the power five cartel, but not having their own system like FCS (IAA) has.

People are making this stuff so unnecessarily complicated which is why we are in this mess to begin with.

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Would you have some sort of relegation system where


Nov 29, 2018, 12:26 PM

teams would be dropped down if they were bad too long? Why should the likes of NC State have a shot at a "better" championship than UCF?

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Re: Would you have some sort of relegation system where


Nov 29, 2018, 4:50 PM

we talked about this a few times this year, make it like Premiership Soccer... that would fun to watch even crappy teams playing to stay in the upper division ....

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Maybe break all conferences into two tiers. The top two


Nov 29, 2018, 5:09 PM

teams in the upper tier play in the conference championship. At the end of the year, a team or two are relegated to the lower tier, and likewise a team or two in the lower tier are promoted to the upper tier. Would certainly make things entertaining, and would make the conference championship games mean something, like it does in the no-defense conference.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 1:56 PM

we have been in the last 3 , so it seems to be working fine.

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 4:40 PM

How about NO FCS games? I think all P5 teams should play 9 Conference games, at least one P5 OOC game, and NO FCS games. Also should play in a conference with a champ game available (talking to you ND)

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Re: Reasonable fix for CFP playoffs


Nov 29, 2018, 4:50 PM

The only reasonable fix to the playoffs is to mandate and prioritize criteria for a six team playoff.
Rule 1) you must be in a power 5 conference! The NCAA is absolute idiots for allowing someone who is not in a conference and doesn’t play in a conference championship
( Notre Dame) to enter the playoffs! That’s like going to the super bowl without playing a playoff game...Dumb!
Rule 2) you must play in and win your conference outright ...No questions asked!
Finally, and I’m my opinion the most important, this would be the only time you would need a committee to decide and vote on the final spot.
No need to make it more complex and watered down than this! It doesn’t take much to fix it!

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