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BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 14, 2017, 5:42 PM
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We currently have more talent on this basketball team than in the past 10-15 years. I see 2 big issues that are hurting the Tigers: they play the same offense & defense against WHOEVER they are playing despite different styles and no LEADERSHIP, from the bench or the court.
I was very impressed with the style & passion that Josh Pastner has brought to Ga. Tech's program & I see that as a need at Clemson. A motion offense that takes advantage of our athleticism by attacking the basket & using post players as both passers and scorers off of a screen or cut. Tigers are shooting not only way too many threes, but also way too fast--we are a one & done shot almost every possession. Secondly, our defense is non-existent a majority of the time as nobody blocks out or helps weak side & opponents get at least 3 shots/possession and bunches of easy looks.
Other than Thomas, maybe there's a reason that our guards all signed with minor programs...maybe the level of competition is starting to catch up with them? I'll sit back and wait for my stalkers flame away...
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We need Walter White.***
Jan 14, 2017, 5:50 PM
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I disagree on our talent level over the last 10-15 years.
Jan 14, 2017, 6:19 PM
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Brownell's talent his first year is better than what he has now, but I'm also not seeing anywhere near the coaching ability that some have suggested he possesses.
We lack guys who can score in the low post and rebound and guys who can shoot and defend on the perimeter. We have guys who can do one sporadically, but not both consistently.
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Referring to 5 "real" players on the court at one time
Jan 14, 2017, 7:35 PM
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We have finally crossed the line to where we have 5 legitimate basketball players (plus some depth) instead of 3 or 4 great athletes who like to bounce the ball. There have been better individuals over the years, but not a complete roster. Djitte is the weakest link offensively, but has moments on defense where he is lost WAY out of position. The "scorers mentality" of all our guards is hurting the offense some due to some greediness, but more so on defense. I see the deciding factor on who gets the PT is who plays defense.
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It's easy to blame coaching but
Jan 14, 2017, 11:35 PM
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we aren't nearly as talented as UNC, Notre Dame, or UVA, yet we were extremely competitive with all three. It is frustrating to narrowly lose all three of those games, as we could have won any or all of them. But that's the difference this year in a very tough ACC. From where I sit, Brad's coaching deserves some of the credit for us being competitive in these games when the talent difference says we shouldn't be.
I don't know the answer. I'm really frustrated that we are 1-4 in the ACC right now despite having a more talented team this year. Only in one of those five games did we play poorly (Georgia Tech). I was mostly pleased with our performance in the other three (UNC, Notre Dame, and Duke). My fear is that the players will lose their motivation after repeatedly playing their hearts out and coming up short.
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Re: BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 14, 2017, 7:37 PM
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"We currently have more talent on this basketball team than in the past 10-15 years"
Lol....OP's teams would run this years squad off the court.
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Re: BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 14, 2017, 7:48 PM
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A few problems--Some of these guys are not good defenders or rebounders. Except for Blossingame dunking the ball-our inside game is weak. Free throws, especially down the stretch, are becoming a problem.
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Re: Please share OP's awesome lineup with 5 legit players***
Jan 14, 2017, 11:28 PM
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Yeah even OP's teams had some bad players. Raymond Sykes, Jerai Grant his first three years, David Potter most of his career...
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Re: BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 14, 2017, 7:52 PM
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OK, here's a flame you DO know that thomas is a 4/5 type guy.. not a G.. don't you?
Other than Thomas, maybe there's a reason that our guards all signed with minor programs...maybe the level of competition is starting to catch up with them? I'll sit back and wait for my stalkers flame away...
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DUH...the sentence structure threw you off, huh?
Jan 14, 2017, 9:54 PM
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Sorry, next time I'll get my English book out and proofread it for you.
This must be another alias for either 07 or 08 to provide sarcasm...
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And our increased talent this year still puts us toward
Jan 14, 2017, 11:31 PM
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the bottom of the ACC. This is a REALLY tough league. It's frustrating losing these close games, especially today's when we played very well overall. You just have to tip your hat to Virginia for making some incredible shots.
While our current team is more talented than it has been, it is still very far behind the talent UNC, Duke, Notre Dame, Virginia, Florida State, Miami, etc. The new facilities are a great step in the right direction, and will help. The question is, how long are we willing to wait before making a coaching change?
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I can't see us being better next year
Jan 14, 2017, 11:37 PM
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so if things don't turn around, you make the move after this season. Losing three starters including JB indicates a step back. I don't think it's a major step back, but with four freshmen, depth will be young and inexperienced
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Do you think we should fire Brownell at the end of the season?
Jan 15, 2017, 12:24 AM
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Or are you not sure yet?
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I think a decision needs to be made one way
Jan 15, 2017, 8:24 AM
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or another, if we finish poorly. Fan interest is waning and you just dropped 60+ million to improve the program. I spoke with a former player after the Tech game and he said it looked to him as if they were tuning Brad out. We played better yesterday, but the result is the result. And it's a tough schedule to turn things around against once you're under water.
If the decision is made to move on, I'd encourage Brad to look for another job. He could find a mid major job in the Midwest easily. But a poor finish pretty makes moving on inevitable. He'll have missed the tourney 6 straight years. No one has done that since Larry Shyatt
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Re: I think a decision needs to be made one way
Jan 15, 2017, 12:12 PM
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SF, who do you like as prospective candidates if it happens? Would you agree with me that Will Wade would be top candidate?
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I'm not striperfan, but I'm not sure about Wade's style.
Jan 15, 2017, 1:30 PM
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Style of play, that is. I don't think the helter-skelter, full court press style is going to work on a consistent basis in the ACC. Yes, Purnell made us competitive and got us into a few NCAA Tournaments, but we never won a tournament game. I am not happy just making the tournament. We should strive for more than that, especially with all that we have invested in the new facilities and are sure to invest in a new coach.
On the plus side, I love the fact that Wade is a Clemson alum. It would increase our chances of getting him and keeping him. I just hope he has enough coaching experience to adapt his style of play to fit his players as well as who we are playing, because that is going to be required in the ACC.
I think he should get a look, but more established coaches with a different style of play should get looks also.
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Wade would be on my list, but top candidates for me
Jan 15, 2017, 1:53 PM
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would be, in order:
Archie Miller at Dayton
Dan Hurley at Rhode Island
Steve Wojciechowski at Marquette
Ed Cooley at Providence
I personally don't see the havoc style of play consistently beating teams with better talent. But I talk to Wade and hear what he says about it
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Re: Wade would be on my list, but top candidates for me
Jan 15, 2017, 6:12 PM
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Wade no longer runs Havok. More desciplined defense, but does run a lot still. Thinks that gimmick could only take them so far. I would also like to see Kevin Keatts at UNCW. Former assistant to Pitino. Nothing to do with the escort scandal there. I love the Pitino style of play.
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Keats would be interesting
Jan 15, 2017, 8:44 PM
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Look, I really hope we turn it around. I'm just not that hopeful we do. If we don't, clearly there are some quality guys out there and the new facilities make us more attractive than ever.
If Wade isn't running havoc full time anymore, that's good IMO. That he is a grad should carry some weight
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I agree with you.
Jan 15, 2017, 1:25 PM
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Brad definitely deserves the rest of the season to see where we end up. I feel confident that a .500 record or better in the ACC gets us into the NCAA Tournament no problem. Given the ACC being so tough this year, one game below .500 would probably do it too, although I would feel much better about adding an ACC Tournament win on top of that just to be safe.
If we don't make the NCAAs, I definitely think it will be time to move on. I like Brad a lot, and hate it for him that it took 6 years to get the new facilities he has needed since day one. But at some point, a new direction is needed and I don't think the fans or the administration should continue to be patient after this many years when simply making the NCAA Tournament in year 7 isn't a very lofty goal.
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Re: BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 15, 2017, 8:35 AM
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I for one was very optimistic about this season. Quite surprised we may struggle to make the Tourney again. Brownell's losses all follow the same pattern: competitive for 37 minutes, and then fall apart at the end.
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Re: BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 15, 2017, 8:35 AM
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I for one was very optimistic about this season. Quite surprised we may struggle to make the Tourney again. Brownell's losses all follow the same pattern: competitive for 37 minutes, and then fall apart at the end.
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Re: BB has all the ingredients, but just can't cook it right
Jan 15, 2017, 11:39 AM
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It'll be a struggle to make the NIT. Looking at the rest of the schedule, don't see more than six winnable games. Just maybe one of the next three.
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LOL, I hope you aren't this pessimistic in real life!***
Jan 15, 2017, 11:46 AM
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Re: LOL, I hope you aren't this pessimistic in real life!***
Jan 15, 2017, 12:16 PM
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If I was pessimistic, would've said there wouldn't be more than three winnable games left.
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