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Re: Penn State to the ACC a hot topic on the Penn State board
May 11, 2012, 10:32 AM
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penn st and notre dame would be nice addidtions...but I think getting so florida could be smart also....thats a school that can win..wuldnt mind landing louisville either
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I wouldn't expect USF anytime ever
May 11, 2012, 10:37 AM
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They are not a good enough academic school. I do like the additions of PSU and ND. I'd rather expand west not north but nobody is leaving the SEC and we can't poach anyone from the BIG XII that we would want.
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Re: I wouldn't expect USF anytime ever
May 11, 2012, 10:38 AM
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I bet if we we went full throtle after both oklahoma schools we could maybe make a deal...I didnt know much bout USF's academics
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Re: I wouldn't expect USF anytime ever
May 11, 2012, 10:45 AM
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Highly doubtful. The ACC would have a better chance in getting Penn State and ND before OU. IF OU did jump, its most likely between the PAC 12 and SEC.
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Re: I wouldn't expect USF anytime ever
May 11, 2012, 10:48 AM
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well I can dream cant I..haha
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Its not a bad post but his pods are totally wrong.***
May 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Here are the adjusted regions based on input from Notre Dame
May 11, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Fans.
My Campaign Platform for ACC Commissioner.
#1 - Lure Notre Dame and Penn State or Rutgers to the Conference with this plan
#2 - A 16 team conference with 2 Regions of 8 teams and 4 divisions of 4 teams– Based on Region and Competitive Program History for Football and Basketball. Creating Regional rivals. This is what the SEC Knows that the ACC doesn’t. Regional rivals make great Television.
#3 – 8 game Conference for non Conference scheduling
3- Division Games
1 -Regional Cross Over
1 – Inter-region Division Cross Over
3 – 1 game each of non Division rotating Yearly after home and away.
#4 – Region Champs would be determined by the best overall conference record and would compete for the (Heisman/Warner Trophy) in the ACC Championship Game. (South Region Champs would win the Howard/Dodd Trophy) (North Region Champs would win the Rockne/Beamer trophy). Each team will play 5 of the seven other teams in its region every year. The ACC Championship Game would be rotated between Washington and Charlotte since the geographic center of the Conference will have changed.
#5 – Goals of this Expansion model
1. Create 3 distinct tiers for conference marketability
a. Top Tier National Games with dominant programs and fan bases
b. Second Tier Popular regional Games with Historic Programs
c. Third Tier local Games among traditional rivals
2. Preserve traditional rivalries
3. Preserve flexibility for schools to schedule valuable non conference games.
4. Create a cash cow of 28 million dollars per school in TV Revenue by having both the best college football and basketball brands in the most populace regions of the country.
Atlantic Division
North Region
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
Mid – Atlantic Region
Notre Dame
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Maryland
Coastal Division
South Atlantic Region
Clemson
Georgia Tech
NC State
Wake Forest
South Region
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Duke
Divisional Crossover Partners (Played Yearly). Based on the Similarity of the University, and creating great games, and traditional rivalries in that order
Clemson Virginia Tech
Florida State Penn State
Georgia Tech Pittsburgh
Miami Notre Dame
NC State Maryland
North Carolina Virginia
Wake Forest Syracuse
Duke Boston College
(Inter- Division) Regional Cross Over Partners (Played Yearly) Based on traditional rivalries, creating great games, and the similarity of the university in that order.
Atlantic
Notre Dame Penn State
Virginia Tech Pittsburgh
Virginia Syracuse
Maryland Boston College
Coastal
Clemson FSU
Georgia Tech Miami
NC State North Carolina
Wake Duke
Yearly Guaranteed Schedule by Team
North Region
Penn State Pitt, Cuse, BC, FSU, Notre Dame
Pittsburgh PSU, Cuse, BC, GT, VT
Syracuse PSU, PITT, BC, Wake, UVA
Boston College PSU, Pitt, Cuse, Duke, Maryland
Mid – Atlantic Region
Notre Dame VT, UVA, Maryland, Miami, Penn State
Viginia Tech ND, UVA, Maryland, Clemson, Pitt
Virginia ND, VT, Maryland, UNC, Cuse
Maryland ND, VT, Virginia, NC State, BC
South Atlantic Region
Clemson GT, NC State, Wake, VT, FSU
Georgia Tech Clemson, NC State, Wake, Pitt, Miami
NC State Clemson, GT, Wake, Maryland, UNC
Wake Forest Clemson, GT, NC State, BC, Duke
South Region
Florida State Miami, UNC, Duke, Penn State, Clemson
Miami FSU, UNC, Duke, Notre Dame, GT
North Carolina FSU, Miami, Duke, Virgina, NC State
Duke FSU, Miami, UNC, BC, Wake
Hypothetical Schedules
Clemson Schedule
1. Patsy 1
2. Georgia – Quality Non Conference
3. Patsy 2
4. Wake Forest – Region Game
5. NC State – Region Game
6. Georgia Tech – Region Game
7. Virginia Tech – Division Crossover
8. Florida State – Region Crossover
9. Penn State – North Region opponent
10. Virginia – Mid – Atlantic Region Opponent
11. Duke – South Region opponent.
12. South Carolina – Rival Game
Notre Dame Schedule
1. Navy or Purdue or patsy – Rival
2. Michigan or Michigan State- Rival
3. Navy or Purdue or Patsy - Rival
4. Virginia Tech – Region
5. Virginia – Region
6. Maryland – Region
7. Miami – Division Crossover
8. Penn State – Region Crossover
9. Clemson – South Atlantic Region Opponent
10. North Carolina – South Region Opponent
11. Boston College – North Region Opponent
12. Southern Cal - Rival
Rotating Cross Division Games
Playing teams from other divisions on a rotating basis would be a home and home round robin format with the other 3 divisions. Since each team will not have a permanent crossover in 1 of the 3 other division will take 8 years to play a full round robin with a home and home. using Clemson as an example
2013-14 Penn State
2015-16 Pitt
2017-18 Cuse
2019-20 BC
The Divisions with permanent Crossover opponents would take six years to rotate through. Again using Clemson as an example
2013-14 Miami
2015-16 Duke
2017-18 UNC
2013-14 Maryland
2015-16 Notre Dame
2017-18 Virginia
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Re: Here are the adjusted regions based on input from Notre Dame
May 11, 2012, 11:03 AM
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Dang man you spent a lot of time on that..ha
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Re: Here are the adjusted regions based on input from Notre Dame
May 11, 2012, 11:51 AM
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Nice work. I like this - maintains rivalries and provides a strong schedule. How would expansion affect the new ESPN contract we just locked in ($17M/yr thru 2025)? I'd think this is addressed in the contract. Seems a weird time to be locking in long term with the current expansion market - doesn't really signal that the ACC is going to make a move, unless they can easily get out of that contract.
Just curious, how'd you come up with that $28M/yr number? Not saying it's off just wondering if there's some real numbers behind it.
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Re: Here are the adjusted regions based on input from Notre Dame
May 12, 2012, 3:50 PM
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just a guessimate. based on the SEC money being talked about and the Big ten network contract. and the national appeal of Notre Dame.
The contract has 5 year reviews built in so it basically allows for keeping the contract without full negotiations if its not warranted. but if ND joins it will definitely be warranted.
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Add Penn State and Notre Dame and the SEC can kiss my fat
May 12, 2012, 12:25 AM
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Nose...
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I would be thrilled with Notre Dame and Navy. With the ACC's
May 12, 2012, 1:24 AM
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proximity to the coast, and home to many naval bases and ports, plus all the engineering programs we have amongst us; throw in our own military history, and Navy is a real winner for this league and us. We'd still be playing Ga. Tech every year so I'm sure we'd be prepared for Navy's option on the few occasions we'd meet up.
Navy fills an annual spot on Notre Dame's schedule already. They're actually kicking the season off this year with a game in Dublin, Ireland on September 1st. They may not be a powerhouse, but they're a team that puts up a fight and wears their colors proud. They seem like a natural fit, plus with ESPN's expanded coverage the global audience for the league would grow substantially. Navy fits the ACC academics bill as well I would think. It's at least higher than flagship UNC's.
I don't know, I'd much rather have a Navy than Rutgers, U Conn, S. Fla. or some of the other media market schools that are out there. They'd be a great fit, and a lot of pride in having them.
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Re: Penn State to the ACC a hot topic on the Penn State board
May 12, 2012, 6:39 AM
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Penn State signed a grant of rights with the Big 10. This means there is ZERO chance of them leaving
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Re: Here are the adjusted regions based on input from Notre Dame
May 12, 2012, 7:11 AM
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You lost me at Rutgers.
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Swofford could go from goat to hero adding ND & PSU ...
May 12, 2012, 1:06 PM
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South Division: Clemson, Duke, FSU, GA Tech, Miami, NC State, WFU, UNC
North Division: BC, MD, ND, Pitt, PSU, Syracuse, VA Tech, UVA
I expect this has been on T-Net before ... yet it truly an ideal and representative ACC.
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Re: Penn State to the ACC a hot topic on the Penn State board
May 12, 2012, 1:15 PM
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why in the world would penn st leave the big10 for the acc? that makes about as much sense as oklahoma to the big east!
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Re: Penn State to the ACC a hot topic on the Penn State board
May 12, 2012, 3:55 PM
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if you visit the Penn State board you can read all the arguments. the biggest argument for leaving is that they are an eastern school in a midwest conference. they hate it and have no natural rivals. they would rather play Pitt, Cuse, BC every year.
Ohio State and Michigan Dominate the conference.
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I read a lot of the comments and it sounded to me like they
May 12, 2012, 4:12 PM
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really don't want to come to the ACC !!
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110%er [6781]
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isnt been debated among their fans adnausim since 2003.
May 12, 2012, 8:23 PM
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The reasons to stay are money and academic collaboration. Which they can have in the acc if they move. It's not there now but it can be.
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You should explain the third tier money situation in the ACC
May 12, 2012, 8:31 PM
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that'll change their minds.
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Re: You should explain the third tier money situation in the ACC
May 12, 2012, 8:32 PM
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it is all bout helping UNC and Dkue basketball and hurting the football schools!
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Orange Blooded [4789]
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Oh boy.***
May 12, 2012, 8:32 PM
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