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Rock Defender [53]
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Our country is so screwed up...
Feb 18, 2013, 9:14 PM
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A law abiding citizen like Bowers is likely going to jail b/c he was carrying a gun in his bag. Ever heard of the 2nd Amendment, New York???
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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1)What well-regulated militia is Daquan part of?
Feb 18, 2013, 9:18 PM
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2)Seriously? A loaded gun in carryon in an airplane? Are you crazy, or just basically stupid?
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Re: Quantrill's raiders?***
Feb 18, 2013, 9:20 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Oculus Spirit [83064]
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^^^^^^^^sits on roof with gun every night^^^^^^^^^^***
Feb 18, 2013, 9:41 PM
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Re: 1)What well-regulated militia is Daquan part of?
Feb 18, 2013, 9:40 PM
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Bowers is, himself, a militia. Is the freedom of the press an individual right or is "the press" a group of people? Think carefully....
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Ah, yeah it does...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:14 PM
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but the NRA has managed to buy a very liberal interpretation of the admendment.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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No, it's a right for the people. And if the 2nd Amendment
Feb 18, 2013, 10:20 PM
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was only meant to allow members of a militia to bear arms, do you really think the individual states would not have passed laws prohibiting everyone else from carrying guns?
The 2nd Amendment gives EVERYONE the right to bear arms, stemming from the importance of well-regulated militias. At least, that's how I read it.
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Re: No, it's a right for the people. And if the 2nd Amendment
Feb 18, 2013, 10:23 PM
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You are correct, GWP. Every right in the BOR is individual. One person is a militia. One person is the press. The libs don't like to debate that one.....for they will lose every single time.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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Sadly, most libs do not have any clue what the Constitution
Feb 18, 2013, 10:29 PM
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says. And almost equally as sad is most can't even tell you who the president of the constitutional convention was without using google.
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CU Guru [1218]
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Re: Sadly, most libs do not have any clue what the Constitution
Feb 18, 2013, 10:30 PM
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right you are, GWP!
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The "well-regulated militia" statement...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:24 PM
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comes first in the amendment, therefore it is the important part and the right to bear arms belongs to members of the militia. At the time the Bill of Rights was written, there was no US Army, just essentially the National Guard and the intent was for members of the Guard to keep their weapons at home. The NRA has managed to brain-wash so many people by emphasizing the second half of the amendment and ignoring the first half.
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We can agree that both halves are there for a reason
Feb 18, 2013, 10:27 PM
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but we clearly have to agree to disagree on the reasons. Trust me on this one, you don't have to educate me on the history of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, and what was going on at the time they were drafted.
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Why should I "trust you"?...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:32 PM
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what makes you some constitutional scholar? Read the amendment the way it's written; it's basic English and the right to bear arms belongs to members of the military. How is one person a militia? And how is one person regulated? "A well-regulated milita being necessary for the security of a free state..." does NOT give every individual the right to own a cache of firearms because he feels like it.
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Re: Why should I "trust you"?...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:35 PM
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The right to bear arms is an individual right. The right to pick up a pen is also an individual right. Do you think you must have a press pass to voice your opinion in this country?
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Die-Hard [8977]
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The right to bear arms...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:39 PM
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belongs to members of the military, not every yay-hoo that decides he wants a gun.
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All-In [29036]
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Dead wrong according to the supreme court***
Feb 18, 2013, 10:40 PM
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Re: The right to bear arms...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:44 PM
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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I wonder if the forefathers had in mine the states would
Feb 18, 2013, 10:46 PM
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need protection from the very govn't that rules over them?
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Re: I wonder if the forefathers had in mine the states would
Feb 18, 2013, 10:50 PM
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Filo, that is the VERY reason for the 2nd amendment. It isn't for duck hunting or shooting cans in your back yard with a 22. Read the words of Mason, Madison, Jefferson (in particular) and many, many others. They feared that a centralized govt. would try to take away both our unalienable and constitutional rights....and they meant to provide us with a means of protecting ourselves from a tyrannical govt.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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So, do you Cohiba, believe the citizens of the United States
Feb 18, 2013, 10:53 PM
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can mobilize against the U.S. Govn't and its branches of military and the weapons they have access to and put up a fight if say, this feller Obama decides to start putting us in those fancy detention camps they have secretly located throughout the country?
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Re: So, do you Cohiba, believe the citizens of the United States
Feb 18, 2013, 10:58 PM
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I believe they CAN, filo. I don't know how effective an armed citizenry would be against the might of the US military in 2013. It would be very, very bloody and I don't think anyone wants it to come to that. I will say that people pushing for stricter gun control are pushing us in that direction either by design or ignorance. Let us hope that the nation comes to its senses soon.
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Re: So, do you Cohiba, believe the citizens of the United States
Feb 18, 2013, 11:46 PM
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Good thing is that a very high percentage of our military would NOT turn their guns on the citizens, even if Barry gave the order. So we won't ever be put in the position about armed citizens facing off against the US military.
Now UN troops may be a different story, but if/when SHTF, the baddest of the badasses (Marines, Special Forces, etc..) stand with the citizens.
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All the way to the far
Feb 19, 2013, 9:56 AM
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left. 
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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The leftwing mind is a terrible thing to
Feb 19, 2013, 10:13 AM
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try to figure out. I cannot fathom the way their minds work or, do not work. It's like they all have some serious wiring issues.
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Because they've been bought by the NRA...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
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and the rest of the gun lobby.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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LMAO! So the NRA owns the Supreme Court?
Feb 18, 2013, 10:43 PM
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Don't look now, but I think you just defeated your own arguments
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Die-Hard [8977]
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Well...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:47 PM
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the NRA financially backs certain members of the Senate and they are the ones that confirm the Supreme Court justices. Do you really think senators are going to go against the wishes of people that helped elect them?
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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If that was the case then all of the Supreme Court justices
Feb 18, 2013, 10:52 PM
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would be conservative and Sotomayor would certainly not be a justice.
Also, if the justices felt compelled to stick to party lines, I'm certain that John Roberts would have screamed out the word "mandate" last year.
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All-In [29036]
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Ok, you're welcome to that viewpoint
Feb 18, 2013, 10:44 PM
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You aren't alone in thinking that individuals shouldn't have the right to own guns, but legally that is simply not the case.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Where in the Second Amendment does it put a definition
Feb 18, 2013, 10:48 PM
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on what kind of arms you are allowed to bear? What level of weaponary is our govn't keeping us from by trampling on the 2nd Amendment? It seems we should have a right to own anything if it means protecting ourselves and family.
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All-In [29036]
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It doesn't
Feb 18, 2013, 10:54 PM
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And I'm the first to agree that most of us (even gun owners) are for some level of weapon control (I can't own a nuke , etc).
But that wasn't baseball fan's argument. He was arguing that the second amendment (up unlike every other amendment) wasn't in reference to the rights of individual citizens, but rather a specific group of citizens. This has been , time and time again, found to be legally untrue.
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I'm reading the amendment exactly the way it was written...
Feb 18, 2013, 11:00 PM
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and if the writers had intended for every yay-hoo that wanted a gun to own one then they would have left out the first part and simply said "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be abridged" but they didn't do that.
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All-In [29036]
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And the individuals
Feb 18, 2013, 11:05 PM
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Who study the constitution as well as the legal documents leading both to and from it disagree with your interpretation. In the end you simply hold an opinion that differs for the prevailing legal viewpoint.
Currently the second amendment grants individuals the right to shear arms. You may not think that's right, but it is the law of the land.
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Your argument wasn't about automatic weapons, it was about
Feb 18, 2013, 10:56 PM
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how the BOR doesn't give individuals rights
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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I think they had the brains to know weapons would become
Feb 18, 2013, 10:57 PM
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more sophisticated, more advanced. I don't think they had the exact design in mind of what that would be or entail. I'm sure there are some papers out there somewhere of their thoughts on this. We need to turn to our Constituational scholars here on T-Net and find out.
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One might make the same sort of argument
Feb 18, 2013, 10:58 PM
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About free speech. There is no way they could've conceived of the myriad if modern advancements in communication.
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Re: The Supreme Court disagrees with you
Feb 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Right you are, thom. No use in arguing with these brain-washed leftists.
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No use arguing with these brain dead Repukes.***
Feb 18, 2013, 10:43 PM
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Die-Hard [8977]
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So...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:51 PM
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because I know how to read makes me a "brainwashed leftist"? If the writers of the Bill or Rights had intended for every yay-hoo that wanted a gun to own one they would have written the amendment that way. They would have left out the first half of the amendment and just given the blanket right to bear arms.
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All-In [29036]
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You are welcome to your opinion
Feb 18, 2013, 10:57 PM
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But that opinion is simply not the prevailing legal finding.
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So tell me this
Feb 18, 2013, 11:59 PM
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Who makes up the militia? I will give you a hint, it isn't the military personnel.
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I regret that I have but one point to give
Feb 20, 2013, 4:54 PM
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This is the biggest lesson that liberals need to learn.
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110%er [7026]
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They won't reply to that, nor will they ever
Feb 20, 2013, 5:22 PM
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understand it sadly.
Some people have given all of their faith to the government to grant them their rights and tell them what they can and cannot have because they believe that people in Washington know what's best for the uneducated masses.
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Re: 1)What well-regulated militia is Daquan part of?
Feb 19, 2013, 2:51 PM
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I'm surprised that you didn't get more support for your post, but I am much more surprised by the fact that at least two people gave the poster support.
There is no commercial aiport in the civilized world that would allow a gun to be carried in hand luggage onto a commercial airline. There are quite a few other things that are also not allowed.
These Obama-hating hotspurs are so rabid that they cannot think rationally. The P&R forum is ruled by such.
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110%er [7026]
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What part of the story says that he was trying to CARRY
Feb 20, 2013, 5:20 PM
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a loaded gun onto the plane?
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Re: Our country is so screwed up...
Feb 18, 2013, 9:42 PM
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The state run news media conditions all of the serfs to believe guns are illegal.
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Orange Blooded [4639]
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Re: Our country is so screwed up...
Feb 18, 2013, 9:42 PM
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The state run news media conditions all of the serfs to believe guns are illegal.
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Re: Our country is so screwed up...
Feb 18, 2013, 9:49 PM
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The founders of this country would vomit if they had seen their creation turn into what it has.......a bunch of mindless lemmings who would willingly trade their rights for a false sense of security. It is a shame. Thank God I live in S.C.
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The "mindless lemmings"...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:35 PM
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are the ones that believe the garbage spewed by FOX News.
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What about the garbage spewed from the SCOTUS?***
Feb 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Re: Our country is so screwed up...
Feb 18, 2013, 10:02 PM
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Join the NRA! We need to voice displeasure with these laws without going to jail in the process.
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