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One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:04 PM
 

If I had a relative being recruited by the Tigers, one that would bother me about the school. And that is nepotism. It makes me wonder if some other deserving young man will not get the opportunity there because the coaches are putting their kids on the team. If they're good enough, allow them to make their own way. Am I wrong in my thinking?


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:07 PM
 

Would you rather have Dax or BV for 4 more years?

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Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:11 PM
 

i'll take the BV, please.


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Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 9:45 AM
 

Swinney's kids are PWO, they aren't just given a scholly they have to earn it, second Jake V has been coaches but his dad one of the best d coordinators in the country I'm sure his football IQ and technique are far above other kids his age. No doubt in my mind Jake will contribute on the field for Clemson. Plus it helps keep coach V at clemson for 3-4 more years which is worth a 5 star or 2 imho. Jake also had offers from other D1 schools like LSU so he is good enough to be a tiger without his dad's help.


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:08 PM
 

Are you kidding? That happens everywhere. Family, friends, legacy.....happens everywhere.


Hello Coot. Don't go away mad. Just go away. Another

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:08 PM
 

National Championship appearance for us probably next year. Clearly the Coaches have no idea what they are doing.

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Re: Hello Coot. Don't go away mad. Just go away. Another

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:13 PM
 

Hey the Cougs are having a nice year so far huh?!


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Re: Hello Coot. Don't go away mad. Just go away. Another

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:27 PM
 

Sir, you are very likely correct!


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:09 PM
 

It is difficult for me to criticize success and stability at Clemson football.

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while I don't think this is a serious post

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:09 PM
 

I'll still answer and say Dabo winning 3 straight acc titles and a national title says it's not a "huge problem"


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:09 PM
 

Yeah you're wrong in your thinking. If you didn't go to Clemson you won't understand this as well as those who did. Family is at the forefront of everything. And it's a walk on spot for most of the kids outside of Venables who will be a contributor


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:21 PM
 

TIgerpride16 nailed it. 100% correct.

OP - consider this... If family is what Clemson is about and the culture Dabo and the coaches have created, what better way to reinforce that than have family members on the team, (almost entirely as walk-ons) so when other players receive similar treatment in practice, games, it resonates as genuine and not just some buzz word. Recruits are choosing other schools because we are absolutely loaded with talent right now and those kids just want to play. Mostly the same reason why some other Clemson players are transferring out. Our coaching staff may not be perfect but they run a great program and are genuine to who they are. If there was nepotism at Clemson, Ferrell, Wilkins and Bryant would be long gone.


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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:39 PM
 


Yeah you're wrong in your thinking. If you didn't go to Clemson you won't understand this as well as those who did. Family is at the forefront of everything. And it's a walk on spot for most of the kids outside of Venables who will be a contributor


Maybe you are correct, but from the outside looking in, from a recruit, it may cause one to pause.


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Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 7:11 PM
 

Derp POTD

..you just can't understand if you didn't attend .

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Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 19, 2018 10:24 PM
 

My legacy of eight alums didn't help my kid with the admissions committee despite lesser qualified classmates making it.

Maybe it depends on who's in your family.

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Yes, you're wrong. A preferred walk on position costs...

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:10 PM
 

nothing. Jake Venables is the real deal. You create a culture by having young men who were raised on Clemson on the team as well as the 4 and 5 stars from out of state. If you want a mishmash of guys with no tie to the University, go root for Alabama.

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The difference...


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:18 PM
 

between a preferred walk-on versus someone who simply walks-on is that the preferred is guaranteed a spot on the 105 man roster while other walk-ons will have to go through tryouts to see if they can earn a spot on the roster.

In addition, a preferred walk-on is in a better position to possibly earn a scholarship but that normally isn't a consideration until at least the player’s junior year.




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You may be right in the case of Hollifield, but in general

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:12 PM
 

there is really nothing else to validate your assumption.

Right now, the only "coaches kid" who has received a full scholarship is Jake Venables and only time will tell if Dax Hollifield is any better than Jake.

One thing we know is that Jake is "All In" and Dax (and his dad) obviously were not with the things they said and did regarding their view of Clemson.

As for the other coaches kids, I have absolutely no problem with "prefered walk-on" status for any of them.

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Dabo takes several legacy recruits as well...

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:22 PM
 

The Davis twins, Brian Dawkins Jr., and Amir Trapp immediately come to mind.

Just my .02 cents, but far too many for my liking.

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Re: Dabo takes several legacy recruits as well...

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:32 PM
 

If he takes 4 out of 85 I have no issue with that, not enough to make a difference.

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It sure is...


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 2:48 PM
 

because it impacts depth

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Players 80-85 do not in any way, shape, or form impact our

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 3:01 PM
 

depth.

On a 2-deep for both sides that's 44 players, add in special teamers and you've got at max 50. So the few legacy guys we have aren't going to impact depth when we've got 25-30 other players that were not legacy recruits.

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To be fair, the Davis twins are impacting depth...

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 3:14 PM
 

by PLAYING.

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Re: To be fair, the Davis twins are impacting depth...

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 9:02 PM
 

JD had several good stops in the Sugar bowl.


Re: To be fair, the Davis twins are impacting depth...

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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 10:07 AM
 

That's true, and Amir Trapp transferred, I was just stating that most legacy recruits that do not play do not impact depth because they're on the bottom end of the 85 scholarship players.

If we can get a legacy recruit that can contribute, a la the Davis twins, then by all means we should sign them because that should be the easiest recruiting job the coaches will have. We get solid talent (like a Jake Venables) and it gives the coaches time to focus on a Carmen, Ross, etc.

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Jeff Davis, Brian Dawkins, James Trapp, etc... Good "depth".


Posted: Feb 11, 2018 10:52 AM
 

WTFU!

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Re: Dabo takes several legacy recruits as well...


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 2:51 PM
 

He seems to be scaling back on that, though.

Prefered walk-on is the way to help those guys have a chance to prove themselves and then get a scholarship.

I doubt we'll see to much more of the "legacy" issue down the road.

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Re: Dabo takes several legacy recruits as well...


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 9:01 PM
 

I know. There has been a wave of Legacies, that is for sure. Brent and Dabo have a few kids coming up but that is about it for a while.

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Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:13 PM
 

Giving a preferred walk-on offer does not take away a scholarship from another player.

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:13 PM
 

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Coots normally have short lives around here, methinks yours

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:22 PM
 

will even be shorter than most.

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Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:27 PM
 

We still have 5 open scholarships

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Meh... this isn’t that simple.

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:43 PM
 

In the case of Jake Venables, when he signed we knew we had very few schollies this cycle. He’s a legit 3star and a high 3 Star to boot. ( I think he’s the highest rated 3 Star OLB.). At the time, Venables was ready to commit and Hollifield let everyone know he was going to let his recruitment play out.

What would have happened if Clemson held off in Venables hoping Hollifield picked Tigers? They could lose both? With so few schollies, it made sense to take the sure thing.

No doubt getting in and out of Hollifield race hurt us today, but I think Tigs did well.

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Re: Meh... this isn’t that simple.

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 1:02 PM
 

Or lose BV, because Jake and him become a "package deal" at a school looking for a Head Coach recently.
What will blow everyone's mind is, when Bama(or a sportswriter) reveals this Fall; that Patrick Surtain, Sr. is an employee of Nick Saban's (in an off the field position). He will not have the job until September, so do not expect this to be news for 7 months.


Re: Meh... this isn’t that simple.

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 10:47 PM
 

I don't think so - Jake has grown up dreaming of being a Tiger. At some point in the next few years he may very well be the deciding factor in his parents opting to stay in their current zip code.


Surtain Sr. is going to be a heck of a DB coach for somebody

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 11:41 PM
 

and I'll bet he will be an outstanding recruiter.


You obviously don't understand the full meaning of the


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:44 PM
 

phrase "Clemson family."


Re: You obviously don't understand the full meaning of the


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:54 PM
 

Maybe the staff should consider how this practice looks to recruits who are not yet a part of the family.


Re: You obviously don't understand the full meaning of the


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 8:47 PM
 

i am smelling feathers

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One of among many problems a program like Clemson has

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:48 PM
 

to deal with, which a certain other school does not and never will.


Not a problem at all.................

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 12:51 PM
 

You do realize that kids of a state University employee, goes to school free?
Now taking a spot on a team's roster/"dress out" list, yes they taking a "paying walk-on's" spot.
Pick your poison, a coach could not be giving 100% if his thoughts are on their son's participation at a nearby small college or when a game is in the late stages and the outcome is decided; that coaches' son may get the chance get on the field.
Dabo may overdo it a little, but hey; he is a proud father.
I am perfectly happy with the way these things have developed.
Will Swinney has one job with our team, holding for FG/PAT and he did great this year. At other schools that would have earned him a "walk-on scholarship" after one year.
We are saving 1 each year, in that certain situation.


Re: Not a problem at all.................


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 1:02 PM
 

I was a University employee and my children did not go to Clemson free. I cannot believe that I missed that perk. Maybe that is something new.

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Re: Not a problem at all.................


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 1:30 PM
 

If you are/were a fulltime employee, you missed out.
But, you may be right.
This was true in the 60's-90's. I was assuming this is still true today. So I may be very wrong in 2018.
As a High School coach for 30 years(retired), we got highly discounted Clemson and Coot football tickets. After Legislators abused this same perk, it was abolished by 2000.
So you may be correct about tuition now. I got free tuition in 70's.


That is total BS

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 5:33 PM
 

It has never been true.

I was in school at Clemson in the early 70s.

My dad was a 30 year employee and I worked there 16 years myself.

Employees get tuition waived for two 3-hour classes per semester for themselves.

That's it ... nothing for spouses or children at all.


Re: Not a problem at all.................


Posted: Feb 9, 2018 9:42 AM
 

It still is true for most of the people I know but then again I don't know any juan who works at clemson but I would assume at least a partial scholly

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Re: Not a problem at all.................


Posted: Feb 9, 2018 12:20 PM
 

Employees can take two 3-hour courses per semester tuition free. You can consider that a "partial scholarship" if you want to, but it would take about 10 years to get a bachelors degree at that pace. It certainly would not help an athlete who is required to stay on track toward graduating with his/her class. And it's not available to spouses or kids.

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Re: Not a problem at all.................


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 10:52 PM
 

I think it's more of a Southern Conference thing. I had friends who were able to attend the college of their choice free because of reciprocal agreements between particular schools. And more recently, I've had friends retire young and take clerical jobs at small private schools so their kids could attend free.


George Bennett left Clemson for a while for Vandy so that


Posted: Feb 8, 2018 11:56 AM
 

his son could get a free education, then he came back to Clemson.

Private schools can and do offer free tuition for family as an incentive and a perk, but not state supported schools like Clemson.

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Re: George Bennett left Clemson for a while for Vandy so that


Posted: Feb 11, 2018 10:20 PM
 

George Bennett had other kids besides the two I knew at Clemson?


Coot talks of nepotism yet Jake Bentlys dad is a coach

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 3:25 PM
 

Actually, youre right. The Bentley situation is likely more incest than nepotism.


Quit Worrying

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 8:04 PM
 

You'll never have a relative recruited by Clemson.

From your post, I glean your family is neither athletically nor academically talented enough for Clemson.

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Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 8:44 PM
 

S.....T......F.....U


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 9:00 PM
 

If a prospect is worried more about coaches sons on the team than his own ability, maybe he doesn't fit the type of player Clemson recruits. I seriously doubt the thought of nepotism entered into the thoughts of those who committed to Clemson as well as those Clemson was recruiting who chose to go elsewhere.

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 9:09 PM
 

Very well put, Mr. Joe! I believe it speaks volumes that these kids want to go play for their dads rather than wanting to go "anywhere but" their hometown school. Will found his niche early, and Drew & Jake had great stats in high school. I'm excited to see these kids choosing Clemson.


Re: One huge problem with Clemson

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 9:14 PM
 

Since you are asking a question, I will answer with civility. Simply put, yes you are wrong.

The "why" of why you are wrong is this. Clemson staff's (and I believe tenure is a requirement) family may attend Clemson, free of tuition if they can get in. These players, sons or relatives otherwise, are receiving walk-on scholarships. Their tuition is being taken care of by the university (I'm not entirely sure coaching staffs are incorporated into the "Clemson Staff" rule, but I believe so) and while they are there, the students joined the athletics program.

Likely, these students have been around football all their lives. If they are still involved at a high level at this point, likely they eat, sleep, and breathe football like their fathers. They have had the benefit of living and being raised by outstanding football coaches. Think about that for a moment. They have had all of the knowledge of a National Championship winning coach at their beckon' call their entire lives. Likely they have absorbed enough knowledge, witnessed enough tape, and trained hard enough for a spot on the team.

Now, for another angle. The coaches have witnessed (an argument could be made that they "recruited") these players the entire lives of the players. The coaches know their faults and strengths. They know the player better than any in-home or official visit could show. Additionally, from what we know of Coach Dabo and the others, are that they are men of integrity. If Coach thinks that player (whether he has a little bias or not) can contribute to the team, then who am I to say otherwise? Who are any of us? Can we really say "All in!" if we are questioning or second guessing?

I hope this has satisfied your query. Have a great day.

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 12:01 AM
 

him the door by lunch.

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If Venables son was Stephen Hawking, he should still get a scholly


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 10:50 PM
 

It keeps him here for 4 years. The main reason we've had success is a very stable and good staff.


A stupid thread started by a Coot and all the replies trying

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 11:24 PM
 

to justify to the coot the awarding of preferred walk on status for some coaches sons. DABO is the coach, he makes the decisions and has never been wrong and has led us to the top of the mountain and owes nobody any answers regardless of who you are. Quit replying and maybe some of them will get tired of making a fool of themselves and leave.

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Re: A stupid thread started by a Coot and all the replies trying


Posted: Feb 8, 2018 12:23 PM
 

What exactly is a coot?


Re: A stupid thread started by a Coot and all the replies trying


Posted: Feb 11, 2018 8:32 PM
 

just go look in the mirror.....Go Tigers!!!!


Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 7, 2018 11:51 PM
 

I think Clemson is doing something right. Don't you worry, you true Tiger fan. Just start saving up for tickets to another playoff game


Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 8, 2018 1:04 PM
 

Swinney's kids are PWO, they aren't just given a scholly they have to earn it, second Jake V has been coaches but his dad one of the best d coordinators in the country I'm sure his football IQ and technique are far above other kids his age. No doubt in my mind Jake will contribute on the field for Clemson. Plus it helps keep coach V at clemson for 3-4 more years which is worth a 5 star or 2 imho. Jake also had offers from other D1 schools like LSU so he is good enough to be a tiger without his dad's help.


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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 1:13 PM
 

'tsall good!


Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 11, 2018 8:18 PM
 

Have any of you ever heard of a recruit who questioned the so-called nepotism some seem to believe is a factor in our recruiting? Have you ever heard of a recruit who was offered by Clemson but chose to go elsewhere and the reason for his doing so was based on nepotism at Clemson? The men that Dabo and his staff recruit are young men of character and talent. I would venture to say that not one of them even view what our staff does as nepotism. Now, most of the posters on this board would readily agree that Dabo does have one habit that is plain to see, he is highly selective in who is offered a scholarship.

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Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 11, 2018 8:28 PM
 

Dumbest post of the day.......BECAUSE coots gonna coot.........Go Tigers!!!!


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Posted: Feb 19, 2018 8:04 PM
 

gonna coot.


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Re: One huge problem with Clemson


Posted: Feb 19, 2018 8:11 PM
 

As long as Swinney is winning there is no problem!


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