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Legend [19503]
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Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 3:36 PM
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If the problem with beating the coots is the quality of football being played in willy B of recent, then how did we ever manage to beat LSU and UGA??
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Not turning the ball over 6 times against either was
Dec 11, 2013, 3:38 PM
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probably a big help...
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Legend [19503]
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Re: Not turning the ball over 6 times against either was
Dec 11, 2013, 3:40 PM
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We turned the ball over on the first play vs LSU and were down to them until the last second....we came back...
But I see your point and agree. However do we fix this issue we have with turning the ball over in big games?
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Oculus Spirit [81547]
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It was the second play. And we didn't repetitively have
Dec 12, 2013, 10:31 AM
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turnovers and the TOM was -1...not -6.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Legend [19503]
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BOOM***
Dec 11, 2013, 3:41 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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No boom...
Dec 11, 2013, 3:43 PM
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I've kept saying, you lose 5 in a row, I don't care why. The benefit of the doubt is gone
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Legend [19503]
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I'm on your side***
Dec 11, 2013, 3:45 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I understand...
Dec 11, 2013, 3:46 PM
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I'm not trying to show anybody up.
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All-TigerNet [10328]
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mark richt and les miles***
Dec 11, 2013, 3:38 PM
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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I'm going with Filo
Dec 11, 2013, 3:39 PM
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For sure probably the TOs
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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The first three I'll give them
Dec 11, 2013, 3:42 PM
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The last two I have excuses for.
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Legend [19503]
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Re: The first three I'll give them
Dec 11, 2013, 3:44 PM
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2009? We were division champs. they went on to lose to Uconn...I don't buy it. 2010 I'll def. give them. 2011 I'll give them good team in willy B. But not 2009, 2012 or 2013.
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Re: The first three I'll give them
Dec 11, 2013, 5:04 PM
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2009 marked a big turning point in this rivalry.
A good Clemson team came into Columbia, got hit in the mouth and haven't recovered since.
A team that we owned started believing they could beat us that day and started playing like they knew it from then on out.
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All-TigerNet [10328]
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there's really no excuse for '09,'12, or '13
Dec 11, 2013, 3:46 PM
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2010- we sucked 2011- I'll grant the excuse of being young playing in a hostile environment.......but that's stretching it considering what we did at VT that year
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Because Dabo didn't dress like a slob in those games***
Dec 11, 2013, 3:43 PM
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Legend [19503]
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^^best excuse i've heard so far.***
Dec 11, 2013, 3:44 PM
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Orange Blooded [2811]
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Please quit beating a dead horse.
Dec 11, 2013, 3:59 PM
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Yes, it's a sports message board and you can talk about whatever you want. Unfortunately, your going over the same thing everyday is almost like a sick obsession. You are starting to sound like a guy who lost his girlfriend and becomes a stalker.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I'll quit when I stop seeing posts about how SCar can't....
Dec 11, 2013, 5:26 PM
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in a BCS game or how great they are now or how we are going to demolish an "overrated" OSU team or until we beat the coots, whichever comes first.
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Orange Blooded [3178]
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because the pressure was less and the boys just went out
Dec 11, 2013, 4:02 PM
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and played.
Its clear its a mental thing ....
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Re: because the pressure was less and the boys just went out
Dec 11, 2013, 4:04 PM
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agreed.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:13 PM
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About the 6 turnovers
1. So what you are saying is that it was 100% the Clemson players fault for the turnovers & had nothing to do with defense. Interesting.
2. You are saying that given back the 6 turnovers that Clemson would have scored at least 2 more times (unlikely due to the fact that Carolna's defense was causing turnovers)
3. Lets say you stop the Gamecocks a couple more times, would you then still blame your win on the turnovers?
Old excuse is getting old.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:18 PM
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CooterU entered the game avergaing .78 fumbles forced per game and 1.09 INT's per game. Yep it was definitely the cooter D tripling their game averages....
Yes it most certainly was on our players for not taking care of the ball which is on our coaches. This has been a plaguing problem in big games.
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Rock Defender [52]
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:52 PM
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So.............. what you are saying is that Clemson players caused all the fumbles & just basically threw the ball directly to the Gamecocks? Did Tajh have a bet on the Gamecocks or something?
Of course defense had nothing to do with it..... nothing at all. Sheesh.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:57 PM
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I didn't say D didn't have anything to do with. We didn't take care of the ball. Do you really think your D just played 3x better than in all your game previously or do you think maybe Clemson didn't take care of the football as well as the teams that played you? Take off the garnet colored glasses.
And tajh's INT's might as well been thrown straight to you. They were desperation.
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Orange Blooded [2654]
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You have to look at each TO individually
Dec 12, 2013, 1:24 PM
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1 - Sammy / Humphries interception. I blame the coaching decision to call this play mostly, but also Humphries needs to be aware of the safety in the End Zone and at least make an attempt to go up for the ball. Root Cause = Clemson.
2 - Humphries / Bryant muffed punt. I blame this on Bryant for doing whatever it was he was doing when he ran into Humphries trying to field the punt. Root Cause = Clemson.
3 - Boyd strip. Root cause = USC - great defensive play.
4 - Humphries fumble on attempted punt return. I guess USC may have gotten a hand on the ball (didn't see much contact), but Humphries should just fair catch it. Root Cause = Clemson.
5 & 6 - Tajh INT's - Seems like we'd thrown in the towel and were desparate at that point. Root Cause = 50/50 USC and Clemson.
Gamecocks get credit for 2 turnovers in this one.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:54 PM
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> CooterU entered the game avergaing .78 fumbles forced > per game and 1.09 INT's per game. Yep it was > definitely the cooter D tripling their game > averages.... > >
Yes it most certainly was on our players for not > taking care of the ball which is on our coaches. > This has been a plaguing problem in big games.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:55 PM
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I find that interesting. So what you are saying is that
A. Your coaches suck B. Your team sucks
Thanks for the info
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 11, 2013, 4:58 PM
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Nope, just saying...
A. Our coaches apaprently don't coach ball securityy as well as others B. Our coaches don't prepare out team for the coots as well as they should.
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Orange Blooded [2654]
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Not sure about that
Dec 12, 2013, 1:41 PM
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We were doing pretty well turnover-wise prior to the SCar game, and still ended up with 23 takeaways vs. 21 turnovers for the regular season. That's just about middle of the road.
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Scar is not that good
Dec 11, 2013, 6:24 PM
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You beat us fair and square. Congrats. Obviously that's not enough because you have to come over here and talk about it which is because you have an inferiority complex from watching Clemson dominate you for the majority of your lifetime.
You beat us but we #### the bed and you know it.
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Re: Scar is not that good
Dec 12, 2013, 10:58 AM
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I find this hilarious coming from the one & only Skeeter. The same guy who posts non-stop on Cockytalk.
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KSKilla
Dec 11, 2013, 10:44 PM
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Do you think a muffed punt X2 is because of you're great defense. Or a pass intercepted in the end zone that was floated up by a wide receiver is due to you're vaunted defense. None of those TO's had squat to do with the crocks. The Sister's of the Poor BBQ Association Univ. could have made those plays. It surely wasn't great play on the ##### part.
The only TO that was b/c of you're defense was Tajh's fumble.
The 2 INTs late in the game were desperation tosses, trying to make anything happen. They would not have happened if the give away turn overs hadn't happened.
Your assessment is faulty...it wasn't b/c of your teams great play on D as much as it was the Tigers shooting themselves in the foot.
Good Lord fool...get real!
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Re: KSKilla
Dec 11, 2013, 11:21 PM
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there was only one muffed punt, the other was a forced fumble on a punt return.
As for the picks you said it best, they were desperation throws that we didn't need to win the game, they just made it easier. That being said it was clear that our defense made Tajh uncomfortable and rushed his throws.
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Re: KSKilla
Dec 12, 2013, 9:16 AM
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No Adam Humphries fumbling the balla nd giving yall a 14 point lead made Boyd uncomfortable.
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Boot meet nutz. Nutz meet sinuses.
Dec 12, 2013, 10:57 AM
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KSkillaIcyHotStunta operates on faulty logic.
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Re: KSKilla
Dec 12, 2013, 10:57 AM
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Yep, its true. You can't spell exCUse with CU. Whatever helps you fellas make it through the year.
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Re: KSKilla
Dec 13, 2013, 11:23 AM
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Good teams protect the ball, bad teams don't.
The first muffed punt I'll give you. It was a screw up by the returner (see above). The second punt was a forced fumble because he tried to take off after the catch. It was hardly a muff.
Brison William's interception was certainly a good play because he had be aware to keep contain and read the play. An example of not keeping contain is the TD CU gave up from Cooper to Wilds. Where was the contain from CU? Who blew their assignment on that play? That's the difference in those two plays and the difference in a good and bad play.
Tajh's fumble was a man beast play by Sutton.
Tajh's two picks thrown late in the game weren't even on fourth down. There was a need for CU to move the ball quickly but either of those plays could have been thrown away.
Good teams make plays, bad teams don't. You got beat. The better team won and you know it.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 12, 2013, 10:51 AM
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I guess using that stat for the year would make it seem like it was all Clemson's issues with the turnovers and had nothing to do with SCs defense. I guess it's easier to swallow that way...HOWEVER, check out the turnover margin of Our last four games of the year. South Carolina had ZERO turnovers, and 15 take aways. (T/O margin of +15) Going into the Clemson game (three games prior) it was already +9. Yeah, you guys gave us a boost in the yearly T/O stats, but we were a MUCH BETTER team down the stretch than we were to begin with. BUT, if you want to say you guys had the better team and we didn't win the game, but you guys lost it I'm cool with it. When you need an excuse for yet another loss, I guess any port in the storm will do.
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It confuses me that you guys come on here and get upset
Dec 12, 2013, 11:57 AM
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about Clemson fans making excuses about the SC game. You guys beat us so I'm not sure why you need internet message board people to validate that for you.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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The pitiful part is, they did the same thing last year. It's
Dec 11, 2013, 9:33 PM
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like we never watched the film.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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The problem has been our defense not getting stops, and
Dec 11, 2013, 11:14 PM
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that is mostly b/c SPurrier has gotten the better of Venables. 3rd down defense and turnovers, and you lose a game where you win the LOS, run the ball and stop the run.
But I also think it's become a mental thing with our players. Put usuc's team in NCSt jerseys and we win.
Our team is now doing what we were used to seeing usuc's team do, play without confidence and make big mistakes. I bet they were obsessed about beating Clemson all those years, too.
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Re: The problem has been our defense not getting stops, and
Dec 12, 2013, 9:17 AM
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Our D played fine this year. Qb draw killed us sure, but we didn't lose that game due to Defense.
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Re: The problem has been our defense not getting stops, and
Dec 12, 2013, 2:37 PM
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Posted by Clemsnman that is mostly b/c SPurrier has gotten the better of Venables. 3rd down defense and turnovers, and you lose a game where you win the LOS, run the ball and stop the run.
But I also think it's become a mental thing with our players. Put usuc's team in NCSt jerseys and we win.
Our team is now doing what we were used to seeing usuc's team do, play without confidence and make big mistakes. I bet they were obsessed about beating Clemson all those years, too.
Best post I've seen on the board about the current status of the rivalry. Prior to 2009. I used to make a lot of Gamecock fans angry when the subject came up as to why Clemson dominated the game. I'm not a person who like to hear excuses, or speculation even on our own part. Excuses are for the losers. Just Fix It ! ..... I've heard 'em all over the years from our own fans. "It's because we are in the SEC and we're beat up going into the Clemson game ... PLEASE ! I posted numbers showing we were actually better after we joined the SEC by a slim margin, but still not producing results... My opinion on the rivalry was simply mental. South Carolina was saturated with years of getting beaten and with every single Gamecock fan talking about it 24/7/365 it was on the minds of players, coaches and fans going into the week of the game, and then all it took was one good play on Clemson's part OR a bad play on Carolina's part and the "OH NO, HERE IT GOES AGAIN" alarms went off in everyone's mind. The game was almost over at that point on. .. With SC not being able to put to wins together since the late 60s, it was just a mind #### and just a matter of the right minute until Clemson got the upper hand in the game and we were TOAST. ... I told Gamecock fans that (IMO) we had to win at least 3 games in a row and (I thought at the time) one of those needed to be a total blowout. 30+ points or so, in order to get our junior and senior classes to realize it was Execution rather than any and all of the excuses they could come up with. Your team leaders had to be the ones to know they were as good as Clemson, and to lead the way for the younger guys in case things got tight during the game.
We didn't get that Blowout I thought we'd need, but the end result is the same. We now have had to graduating Class that haven't suffered a loss to Clemson and it has permeated the team at this point. It is where you guys were for so many years. With our getting a lot more of the top quality players in the state of SC than we used to... players who grew up inundated with the rivalry already, and our having won several in a row, it has turned the game in our favor now. NO, we won't close the game significantly in the next decade or so, BUT I do not see it going back to a 6/2 - 4/1 ratio to the tigers the way it was for so long. I see it eventually evening out to a more 50/50 or 60/40 type string of games over the future.
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 12, 2013, 9:59 AM
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Loss is a loss
Anything else is an excuse.
So Clemson had 6 turnovers
So UGA muffed a field goal against Clemson
So LSU gave up a once in a lifetime 4-16 when Clemson was deep in own territory only to lose by 1
A Loss is a loss, counts the same.
All the excuses carry some weight if this was the 1st win they have had in a long time. I can see them making excuses for losing the streak because they gave up 6 turnovers, not the other way around
When they beat us 5 times in a row, each win and game should be different, different players over 5 yrs, dif coaches, dif scheme, etc. My only surprise is surely in 5 wins over a team 1 would be a blowout. Fortunately that hasn;t happened yet but a big turnover game was bound to happen. The only consistent thing is they control the ball, scare Tajh, frustrate Dabo, rip Clemson fans hearts out, and overall mentally rape our players
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Tell 'em coot
Dec 12, 2013, 10:09 AM
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You do have experience on this subject.
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Someone associated with SCar athletics has sold their
Dec 12, 2013, 10:25 AM
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soul to Satan. How else can you explain the terrible play by Clemson over the past 2-3 years against them; yet, we can beat other SEC power teams? And, SCar can lose to UTenn and UGa, et. al.?
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No excuses, just smarter. U don't fire a 10 win coach/staff.
Dec 12, 2013, 10:55 AM
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As Danny said, it makes for an unhappy offseason, it will turn and this staff has Clemson back where it's supposed to be.Danny's word's not the the so called "Coot Loss Excuse Makers".
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Re: No excuses, just smarter. U don't fire a 10 win coach/staff.
Dec 12, 2013, 2:23 PM
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so now Danny says "wait till next year" wow
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Re: Riddle me this Coot loss excuse makers
Dec 12, 2013, 10:57 AM
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Your question is stupid! So beating good teams some how means your coaching is poor or does not deserve the credit but lose to a good team and your coach is worthless? You are a coot by virtue of stupidity!
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SCAR is inside our heads ... no doubt about it.
Dec 12, 2013, 11:52 AM
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Clemson used to show up for the SCAR game "expecting to win" and they did win almost every time.
Now Clemson shows up "expecting to lose" to SCAR and ... well you know the rest ...
Not exactly sure when the pivot point occurred, but it did and now we have to wait for it to reverse itself.
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Marcus Lattimore caused it
Dec 13, 2013, 1:03 PM
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It is no surprise that Spurrier is not an all word recruiter. I have even have Scar fans tell me he is barely even in the process anymore.
Marcus Lattimore brought in most of the big time players that signed with Scar during the time he was there. He was on every on campus visit and was great at selling the school to other high school players. He also got Ellington to play football. Now that he is gone, their recruiting is falling off and so if there product on the field.
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