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Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 12:57 PM
 

With the latest CFP rankings, I think the committee wants to see a Saban vs. Harbaugh/Meyer title game.

It looks more and more likely that two B1G teams will get in. If Ohio State beats Michigan, the winner of the B1G title game will square off against Ohio State in Arizona to avoid an all-B1G rematch in Tampa.

That pits Clemson against Bama in Atlanta in the 1vs4 matchup. The game is closer to home and Dabo's staff will have over three weeks to prepare for Saban. The world saw what Clemson could bring last year with a little over a week to prepare for Bama. This time, the team get more time to rest and watch film, with less travel.

It also seems more likely that we won't be playing a ranked team in Orlando unless VT or UNC sneak into the rankings in the 20-25 range, so it'd be hard to move ahead of any other team playing in a CCG.

I'll take it! Let's just finish the job!

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 1:04 PM
 

And would make uP for stinking in NC game during 4th quarter when it was Tigers to take..IMHO!

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Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 1:19 PM
 

The Committee is not going for ratings. There does not appear to be a conspiracy.

The Committee is exercising exactly the same criteria we have literally seen them exercise from the beginning.

Right now Ohio State and Michigan have superior resumes to us. We have wins over just two teams currently ranked, #11 Louisville and #14 Florida State. It once looked better when Louisville was #5 and Troy was ranked but they didn't exactly do us a solid last week when they both lost.

Ohio State has wins over #6 Wisconsin AND #8 Oklahoma (both on the road), as well as #16 Nebraska. That's better than us no matter how you slice it.

Michigan has wins over #6 Wisconsin, #8 Penn State, and #9 Colorado. All were at home, but again, that's three wins over Top-10 (not merely Top-25) opponents to our none.

There's no "conspiracy" or "fixing" going on here; Michigan and Ohio State - right now - have undeniably superior resumes to Clemson and are being ranked accordingly.

One of them will pick up a second loss Saturday. If we take care of business, we will then be ranked ahead of them, and elevated into the #3 seed...which we would have earned. The Committee is consistent enough we can be almost 100% certain of this.

After the conference championship game, assuming we have still taken care of business, if the Ohio State/Michigan winner likewise wins the B1G title game, they will remain #2 based on wins over Top-25 teams (they will have 5 at that point, and us likely just 3.) However, if we win the ACC and they drop the B1G title game - likely to Wisconsin - we will be elevated to #2 and the loser will drop. Again, the Committee's been extremely consistent there as well.

Either way we're likely the #2 or #3 seed if we take care of business. Which our season and schedule would seem to warrant. Which puts us squarely in the four and gives us a strong chance to win it all. So where's the problem, or the confusion?


Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 1:33 PM
 

well isnt Auburn ranked? Thats 3.

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I said nothing about a conspiracy, its business

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 2:05 PM
 

If you have the indisputable top-4 in the last rankings, all of whom should be able to beat each other, it doesn't matter where you rank them.

To ensure the success and popularity of the CFP, it only makes sense to maximize TV ratings through matchups. This is why G5 teams have almost no shot at the CFP.

And my post was pointing out the pros of a Clemson/Bama game in Atlanta.

I never said Clemson deserved to be ranked ahead of OSU or UM. Rather, I said that the committee would rather haven a rematch of B1G teams in Arizona rather than in the Natty. It would be much better business-wise for all parties involved.

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we don't want to play Bama in Atlanta with Saban having 3

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 2:16 PM
 

weeks to prepare.

That's just not good thinking there.


I thought we beat Auburn. I was there, must have been high.***

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 2:18 PM
 



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was the Auburn game a scrimmage?

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 2:21 PM
 

I would stack our resume up against any one loss team right now...

at Auburn
vs. UofL
at FSU

loss to a team that also beat Penn St and will likely win 8 games

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Re: was the Auburn game a scrimmage?

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 3:20 PM
 

> I would stack our resume up against any one loss team
> right now...
>
> at Auburn
> vs. UofL
> at FSU
>
> loss to a team that also beat Penn St and will likely
> win 8 games

Whoops. Completely forgot about Auburn. Gives us three Top-25 wins as well, but again, Louisville and Troy losing last week hurt us, taking Louisville from a Top-5 team out of the Top-10, and Troy out of the Top-25 altogether. Come to think of it Auburn dropped one to Georgia which hurts our SOS as well.

Still only gives us: Louisville (11) Auburn (13) Florida State (14), loss to unranked Pitt

Whereas again Ohio State has: Wisconsin (6) Oklahoma (8) Oklahoma (16) Nebraska, loss to #7 Penn State...

...and Michigan has wins against (6) Wisconsin (7) Penn State (9) Colorado, with a loss to unranked Iowa.

On PAPER, anyhow, those resumes are still undeniably superior to ours.

Just sayin', there's no real mystery to how The Committee works. Like 'em or hate 'em they've been pretty consistent in my book.


Auburn dropping like a rock anyway, and


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 3:58 PM
 

will get steamrolled this weekend.

you were just ahead of yourself.


"undeniably superior"???? you are out of your

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 4:08 PM
 

mind

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Re: "undeniably superior"???? you are out of your


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 4:28 PM
 

You did see the all-caps qualifier that said "ON PAPER", right?

I don't necessarily agree that the teams Ohio State and Michigan beat are superior to the ones we beat...but they are UNDENIABLY ranked higher.

Feel free to do the maths yourself.


that's not what you said

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 9:21 PM
 

"Right now Ohio State and Michigan have superior resumes to us. We have wins over just two teams currently ranked, #11 Louisville and #14 Florida State. It once looked better when Louisville was #5 and Troy was ranked but they didn't exactly do us a solid last week when they both lost."

That was your original post.... and you said that while leaving our win at Auburn out... don't backtrack now



The entire premise of what you are saying is that OSU and Michigan have superior resume's to Clemson. That's your point, period, so don't try to deny it. You can fluff it up all you want, but you said it. And their resume's, even on paper, are not superior... especially not "undeniably superior"

Not only did you leave the Auburn win, at Auburn, off... but you are categorically wrong all accounts...

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Weren't all of Mich's ranked wins at home, whereas two of

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 9:35 PM
 

ours were on the road, at night, the worst case scenario far playing ranked teams. And their loss is to a team that isn't a bit better, and probably not as good as, Pitt. Considering all that, I don't know that Mich's resume is a bit better than ours.

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our resume is just as good.. i don't care

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 9:50 PM
 

how you look at it...

I can see OSU's being a little better, but not much. OSU has struggled (see MSU game). Some will argue their loss is better. I get it, but Pitt beat Penn St., and could win 8-9 games this year.

Our wins at Auburn and FSU, plus UofL at home will stack up against anybody. This "undeniably superior" crap is just that... crap.

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You left out Auburn...

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 4:07 PM
 

Which gives us 3 ranked wins.
I'd say it's pretty close between the 3 schools.
I would think that the rest of our schedule might have a little better balance, but I'm sure it's close. Whatever the case, their resumes are not 'undeniably superior'.
I do agree that the committee is not necessarily after ratings, but I'm sure at the last meeting they are looking at matchups and will move things around if necessary.


Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 1:54 PM
 

I think the loser of the OSU/MICH game will be replaced by Washington, assuming they win out. I don't think there's anyway we finish #4, we're either #2 or #3, or we're not in it at all.


Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 2:13 PM
 

I agree if Michigan wins Saturday, but if OSU wins, they have the best win of the season. They don't get to play in the B1GCG, though. The winner of the B1G should move ahead of Clemson because they'll earn a better victory in that game than Clemson would in the ACCCG.

If two B1G teams make the playoff, it'd make the most sense to have the rematch in the semis to avoid an all-B1G Natty.

The reason we have the CFP is because of the all-SEC BCS title game in 2011. The committee was formed for subjectivity to avoid a repeat of 2011 in which the computers favored the two teams from the same conference.

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They aren't putting Wis or PSU over 13-1 Clemson***

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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 2:16 PM
 



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I don't think the committee wants Ala-Clemson in first round


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 3:09 PM
 

bc it would be a re-match and we're probably the best able to beat Alabama, leaving their darling out of the finals.


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Posted: Nov 23, 2016 4:25 PM
 

I'm not convinced that if Washington takes care of a ranked WSU Saturday then beats possibly a top 10 Colorado team in the PAC12 championship that the committee doesn't make them the Tide's sacrificial lambs in the final poll.
I think we will be #2 playing either UM or tOSU in the desert .

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Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 6:23 PM
 

That's a fascinating scenario ... and I buy it.

It's so good that I should have thought of it!

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Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 7:15 PM
 

I like what you are thinking! +1

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Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 7:50 PM
 

How often does Saban lose with multiple weeks to prepare his team?

They open with big non conf games (even though it's always at a neutral site). Takes the crowd advantage away, and they always play great.

They took care of business against Michigan State last year and USC in the opener this year with multiple weeks to prep.

I think I'd rather play them in the final. A true rematch that parallels last year except we have the loss. They struggle with our personnel on offense and don't have as much time to prep.

At least we will get some film from Auburn versus them and see if we can find ways to run more effectively.


Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 8:25 PM
 

If OSU wins, they will more than likely drop to 3 or 4, and that's ESPECIALLY if PSU ends up winning B10 championships. Clemson winning (assuming we win) would make us one of only two conference championship winning teams, along with Alabama. If there is two Big10 teams, there is no way that the team who lost to the Conference Championship winning team would pass Clemson. This is also assuming Washington doesnt beat Washington St. If they do this, they'll have a chance to be exactly like Clemson in having a chance to be conference champions. They would likely assume the role of #3, with OSU at 4.

Resume matters, but only with comparable SOS and W/L columns, and with OSU sitting home next weekend watching everyone else play a game hurts their chances at staying #2, kind of like Oklahoma last season (one loss, multiple top ten wins, no conference championship, sneaks in at #4 over OSU)

TECHNICALLY Pitt has the best wins this season. They've defeated us when we were #2, and they also beat PSU, another current top 8 team. It is entirely possible that they will have beaten TWO conference champions.


I really think we will either end up playing Washington or Ohio State in first round.



....this is assuming OSU beats Michigan. If Michigan wins, they jump us to #2, we would move up to #3, and possible that OSU gets in at #4 if Washington doesn't make it through their gauntlet. Either way, I do not see us staying at #4 and playing in Atlanta this year.


There is no way a 2 loss OSU team that didnt win their


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 10:41 PM
 

Division, much less their conference championship will get in the playoff.

For relaxing times, make it Suntory time


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Re: Looks like the CFP committee is going for ratings, which could benefit Clemson...


Posted: Nov 23, 2016 9:14 PM
 

I have a hard time seeing the committee putting a 2 loss team ahead of Clemson. I also have a hard time seeing them put a hypothetical 1 loss, non conference champion above Clemson. If Clemson wins out, they are in the #2 v #3 game.


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