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Can anyone explain the Boulware "Suplex" penalty to me?

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:17 AM
 

I noticed we had quite a few T-Netters scolding him following the penalty, but I'm still not clear exactly what he did wrong. There may well be a rule against what he did, I just can't find it. I asked this yesterday, and all I got was "You can't suplex somebody" or "you can't lift a player above your head". That may be, but I can't find it in the rules and would appreciate if someone would point it out to me. I jokingly suggested that he must have just tackled him too hard, then Dabo later said that's exactly what the ref told him, and I'm pretty sure there's not a rule against tackling too hard.

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It was a subjective call. Plain and simple.

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:19 AM
 

The crowd loved it.

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Re: It was a subjective call. Plain and simple. yes the

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:21 AM
 

wussification of america and the refs. he landed on his shoulder. Bens reputation got that penaltyi

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he violated the unwritten rule against "tackling too hard."***

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Re: It was a subjective call. Plain and simple.


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 2:58 PM
 

Ben "Given Him Da' Business" ... right out of Ron Cherry's rule book :)


Ellington was tackled like that.

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:19 AM
 

I think it was the LSU game and no rag hit the ground.

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It's called a 15 yard penalty for being awesome and firing

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:23 AM
 

up the crowd.


penalty well spent !!!!!!

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Is there a rule simply against "excessive force"?

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:25 AM
 

I really don't know but if there is maybe they applied that?

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Uhh yeah, its called Unnecessary Roughness....


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:29 AM
 

and thats what was called.

It was wrong IMO, but still called.

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Re: Uhh yeah, its called Unnecessary Roughness....


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:40 AM
 

I believe unsportsmanlike conduct was the call.

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Maybe, but I didn't hear the ref say that either, nor do I


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:46 AM
 

understand how that was unsportsmanlike by rule.

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Re: Maybe, but I didn't hear the ref say that either, nor do I


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:46 AM
 

See my post below... I think it was the celebration afterwards that drew the flag.

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That would have been "Unsportsmanlike Conduct", not


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:02 PM
 

"Personal Foul", which was the call.

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Re: That would have been "Unsportsmanlike Conduct", not


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:20 PM
 

Unsportsmanlike Conduct is a Personal Foul... normally called in the following manner: "Personal Foul, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, #10. That is his first personal foul." Yesterday's call was a bit odd because there was no qualifier. It was simply called "Personal Foul" without specifying.

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I don't think so. Personal Fouls comprise Section 1 of


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:26 PM
 

Rule 9, while Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls are a completely different category, comprising Section 2.

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I don't think so


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:12 PM
 

Because later in the game he does celebrate towards the cuse sideline and gets a warning/talking to. Doesn't make much sense that the flag wouldn't be thrown if he had been penalized for it earlier.

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I didn't hear the ref say "unnecessary roughness", only

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:41 AM
 

"personal foul", and after scouring Rule 9 which covers personal fouls, unnecessaryroughness and illegal tackles, I don't see anything prohobiting what Boulware did, or even close.

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But wouldn't Unnecessary Roughness be a ref's opinion?


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:49 AM
 

They won't describe all the ways you can be unnecessarily rough in the rule book.

Just my opinion but I'm okay with the call.

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That could be, and that's probably the best explanation

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:10 PM
 

I've heard yet, but the way this play developed, with Boulware behind the runner (who was fighting and still pulling forward), I think what Boulware did was reasonable and not unnecessarily rough. His only alternatives were to just try to hang on and risk the runner picking up more yards and/or breaking free, or forcefully yank him backwards like he did.

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I just watched it again and it is a joke that the announcer


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 2:47 PM
 

says "CLEARLY forward progress was stopped." Ridiculous! If forward progress was stopped someone needed to tell the opposing player who was still trying to break free, and the refs who I guess forgot that they blow the whistle to indicate the play is over.

But Boulware had to twist the player over to his side once he lifted him. Bringing him up over his head is what drew the penalty in my opinion.

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Re: Can anyone explain the Boulware "Suplex" penalty to me?


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:26 AM
 

He was being a meany!

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I think it was a combination of 'big hit' and a whistle


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:30 AM
 

right as he started to lift him, so it appeared excessive and unnecessary. I personally think it was a late whistle and Ben was already mid-lift, so not sure what he could have done to ensure he'd stopped the receiver without letting him gain yards.

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It wasn't even close - the whistle didn't blow until well


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:43 AM
 

after the suplex. Foward progress had not been stopped and the runner was just beginning to try and escape the tackle.

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It shouldn't have been a foul. Ive seen many players get suplexed and no call.


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:51 AM
 

The whistle blew right in the middle of the belly to back suplex. The ref was probably caught off guard and didn't know what to do.

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I thought he was flagged for taunting their bench...


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:39 AM
 

It's not clear to me it was the hit. Dabo did say the ref told him Ben hit the guy too hard, but I think that was a joke. I believe he might have been called for directing his celebration at the Syracuse bench.

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Clear cut case of...

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 11:45 AM
 

Giving him the business.



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c'mon, you know that was excessive.....


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:08 PM
 

if someone had done that to D. Watson or Gallman, this place would have had an absolute meltdown and demanded that player be ejected for the rest of the season.

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I honestly don't think it was "excessive" in this case.


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 12:29 PM
 

If there is a rule that prohibits it, that's fine.

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Re: c'mon, you know that was excessive...


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 1:59 PM
 

We get upset over GTs blocking and that's legal. Just cause we don't agree doesn't make it so.

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 1:53 PM
 

hurting a players feelings is a 15-yard penalty now.

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Re: Can anyone explain the Boulware "Suplex" penalty to me?


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 2:04 PM
 

It is illegal to pick a player off their feet and slam them. I have seen it called before but I habve seen Ben do it before as well. It was the right call.


LOL!***


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 2:21 PM
 



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Re: LOL!***


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 3:44 PM
 

What is the lol? It is a rule.


Re: LOL!***


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 3:48 PM
 

It's not a rule. Show me in your mythological rule book.

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Re: LOL!***


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 4:00 PM
 

It is a rule how have you never heard that before


Re: LOL!***


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 4:27 PM
 

Thank u for your NFL link, where all the rules are exactly the same. There is no college rule against it, you're an idiot.

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Re: LOL!***


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 4:04 PM
 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/video/not-the-wwe-mike-pereira-explains-why-body-slam-is-illegal-in-nfl-092715.

Not positive about college but I have seen it called before.


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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 2:33 PM
 



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Isn't there a rule "don't hurt the other player's feelings"


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 3:29 PM
 

Maybe it's unwritten?

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Re: Can anyone explain the Boulware "Suplex" penalty to me?


Posted: Nov 6, 2016 4:40 PM
 

I just hope it never happens to one of our players. I would hate to see the names the defender would be called.

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Maybe this will help

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Posted: Nov 6, 2016 6:32 PM
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E618GbkrDbc

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