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Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:27 PM
 

Just curious on what your thoughts on Ken Hatfield and his tenure here at Clemson.


Re: Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:31 PM
 

Danny built it, Hatfield killed it.

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Re: Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:35 PM
 

one almost had to be at everygame during those years to visibly witness the drop in talent level....and while the comeback win at UVa ranks as one of the best in Clemson history, Hatfield & staff drew poor grades for gametime decisions and especially for recruiting overall....IMO

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 3:14 PM
 




Good Coach BUT

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:51 PM
 

Ken Hatfield did not have the long term vision or the organizational prowess that Dabo Swinney has. We were blessed the day our AD let Tommy Bowden go and promote our best coach since the early Danny Ford years.


Small correction, Howard built it, Ford filled it, Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:52 PM
 

killed it.


The banner plane said:


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:43 PM
 

Howard Built It
Danny Filled It
Hatfield Killed It

I thought CKH was a good man, good coach, and way too squeeky clean for the post Ford era.


Tommy West buried it

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 2:14 PM
 

Though liked him

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howard built it ford filled it hatfield killed it


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 5:16 PM
 

Think I still have that tshirt somewhere

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:31 PM
 



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Agree. The culture has changed so much since then

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:42 PM
 

that he would be more successful today. Heck, our own people were recruiting against him. Bad situation. I dont think we know what kind of program he could have had.

Dabo has succeeded in getting everyone going in the same direction. We were so splintered then that the next coach was guaranteed to fail.


Re: Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 12:42 PM
 

Cowboy from Arkansas was a disaster


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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:01 PM
 



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So, am I ... but I know I can't coach a college

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:09 PM
 

football team ... not even the coots.

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Wait, I never realized you were a

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:27 PM
 

man

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:57 PM
 



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Re: Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:11 PM
 

The loss to California in the Citrus bowl was the game that convinced me that he needed to go. He took a team that had won the ACC and they got embarrassed in the Citrus bowl. They were outmatch and looked out of shape. Never in my life up to that point did I see a Clemson Football team get handled like that. He Sucked.

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Danny Ford team v Minnesota was similar


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:19 PM
 

But Danny learned his lesson about bowl prep


Re: Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:41 PM
 

We went to a pre-game Citrus Bowl pep rally. One of the Clemson players led a cheer which was "Cal ain't $hit. Cal ain't $hit." We had our young son with us and it was totally embarrassing and showed that the coach didn't have control of the team. We lost big time.


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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:52 PM
 

> We went to a pre-game Citrus Bowl pep rally. One of
> the Clemson players led a cheer which was "Cal ain't
> $hit. Cal ain't $hit." We had our young son with us
> and it was totally embarrassing and showed that the
> coach didn't have control of the team. We lost big
> time.
Ed McDaniel was the player.


Drove a thousand miles and it was over before I finished


Posted: Jun 25, 2016 11:24 AM
 

that $7.50 beer I bought at the start of the game.....

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He was a perfect fit at USAFA and a great guy


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:17 PM
 

He just didn't translate to Southern big boy football.


Danny Ford built It & Ken Hatfield Killed IT***


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:29 PM
 




Re: Danny Ford built It & Ken Hatfield Killed IT***

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:46 PM
 

And West sealed it. I sat through the Gator Bowl debacle against Syracuse cold and wet. The team was out partying at Jacksonville Beach bars when we left at 1:00AM. You can look up the result.


At least get the quote right


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:58 PM
 

Howard Built it, Ford Filled it, Hatfield Killed it.


Re: At least get the quote right


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 3:35 PM
 

Anybody know who paid for that sign?

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Re: Danny Ford built It & Ken Hatfield Killed IT***


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 3:43 PM
 

what so many fail to realize is that Hatfield was hired to run a clean program! Clemson admin OVERREACTED AGAIN!! we were never that bad. Bama, Miss State, c$$ts, Auburn do worse all the time now and their admin just smiled and does nothing!

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:01 PM
 

I gave up 6 tickets on 50 yard line after Citrus Bowl. Waited two years for everyone Hatfield was at Clemson before buying tickets again. Never stopped giving but the guy was a joke. Chester would tell him to go F himself at practice and still start the next week. He was not respected.

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Ford would have won at least 1 more Natty

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:42 PM
 

in either 91 or 92. Those teams were loaded.

I was a Freshman Student Equip manager in 93. I was assigned to the DL with Les Herrin, who was a holdover from Danny's staff, and I can tell you none of the coaches on those staffs respected Ken.

It was literally a joke to hear them talk...Herrin, Stockstill and Alridge. All of Danny's defensive coaches hated Hatfield.


Totally Agree.

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:57 PM
 

Definitely in 1990 and another thereafter. Hatfield was a halfway decent coach. But he would/could not recruit and his players were out of shape. He ruined Ford's program.


Re: Totally Agree.

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 2:14 PM
 

Hatfield brought in Dickerson...bad move...Hatfield ran 3 plays, that was about it...bad play selection. Bill Oliver was not retained....stupid move...Our offense sucked, we had no imagination, at the end, we had no offensive line. I don't remember... which school, either AF or Rice he sucked so bad that they tried to buy him out but could not raise the money so he stayed. My biggest problem with the guy was leaving Arkansas in the middle of the night and shows up at Tigertown---no class... I thought that we should have promoted Bill Oliver or gone after Erk Russell at UGA---nothing would have missed a beat


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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 2:27 PM
 



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Recruiting was absolutely dismal under him.


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 2:29 PM
 

He had a terrible offense too, but the inability to recruit is what "killed it". We only had 65 scholarship players when he left, and they were very average.

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 2:38 PM
 

And I hate you for that.

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Similar to Jimmy Carter tenure as Prez...


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 3:17 PM
 

nice guy, great values, respect him, but.... as for results.... no


Horses..he & wife were horsey types &


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 3:27 PM
 

Went to church in G'ville rather than in Clemson..

Plus didn't want to live in danny's IpTAY built house with PAW in bottom of pool!

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He was absolutely awful.**


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:05 PM
 

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'Frank built it, Danny filled it then Ken killed it.'


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:11 PM
 

Funny but imo, Danny could have saved his job had he backed off a bit earlier. Anyway, Clemson never had a coach I didn't love. I didn't love the way some of them coached or perhaps their inability to coach but never-the-less...

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Re: 'Frank built it, Danny filled it then Ken killed it.'


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 5:35 PM
 

That is pretty much the way it went. My family and friends all had seasons tickets during that era. Hatfield really never was popular with the fans. He really did not have much of a personality and did not recruit well either. Just my 2 cents. He never seemed all in.


1989 Ford's boys go down to Tallahassee and

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 5:50 PM
 

put a beating on FSU. Just three years later Hatfield and Company lost 57-0. They could have scored a hundred. Worst looking Clemson team from a physical standpoint in my lifetime. It was clear that day that a change needed to be made. That my friends is why we fired a winning coach. We saw the future that day and it scared the #### out of us!


I'll never forget what one of my buddies said about him.

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 6:04 PM
 

We'd fired him and he took the job at Rice. We're all about half drunk one night and the news of his Rice hiring is on TV. The announcer said something about how maybe he could take their program to respectability, and perhaps even a bowl.

My buddy immediately quips: "Ken Hatfield couldn't get Rice in a bowl at a Chinese restaurant."

Boom. Instant classic.

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Re: Ken Hatfield

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Posted: Jun 24, 2016 7:36 PM
 

I played under both Ford and Hatfield. The difference was night and day. The man was a good man but terrible coach. Ford had men who played on the edge. Hatfield could not control them and they ran all over Ken. We played a game in Japan before the Citrus Bowl and we pretty much flew in from Tokyo to bowl practice, which i believe is why we looked so bad. We were dog tired and jet lagged the first week of prep and never recovered. Ken was a terrible gameday coach too. I remember when we lost to UVA for the first time ever and he panicked and started called razorback plays or when we had Ga Tech beat with 4 cracks from the 1 to win it and he ran 4 straight fullback dives into the heart of 2 NFL linebackers and we lost. They won the national title and we didn't. We would have one the natty had he ran anything, just one #### play different. We went I think 20-3-1 his first 2 years despite him. Had Ford remained I know unless we had some crazy injuries that we would have won the natty both 90 and 91. We were LOADED! Yes sir, Ken was a nice man but he killed it and it has taken 25 years to build it back.


Sad to hear how an administration


Posted: Jun 25, 2016 7:36 AM
 

Could have been so off base. I remember the student protests over Danny leaving and the national news coming to campus. Hayfield was just the wrong guy for many reasons. Sad to think we had a few more cracks at a national championship had Danny stayed.


It was a bad time in Clemson football


Posted: Jun 24, 2016 10:33 PM
 

for more reasons than the coach. The administration did not care about football, and made it painfully obvious.

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Re: Ken Hatfield


Posted: Jun 25, 2016 7:57 AM
 

Good man not ready for the BIG stage or expectations. Hoping one day Clemson family would bring him back into the family and heal.

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Re: Ken Hatfield


Posted: Jun 25, 2016 7:50 PM
 

He was a poor coach. Bad strategy, bad recruiter. He was an example of a person in over their head. A very
bad selection by the school. Tommy West was just as bad for the sam reasons. A nice person
has nothing to do with the question at hand.


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