Re: It's like you folks exist in a different plane of reality.

robertn said:

You have a party in control of the Presidency, House and Senate that has made it their goal since '73 to overturn this decision,

Is that a goal, or just a rallying cry to get the evangelical vote? Same with the "southern strategy". If there weren't brown people to fear, and if there weren't complex and obscure issues transformed into simple and ubiquitous villains, then we'd have no Nixon, and probably no Trump. No super villain = no cause for the super savior.

We'd probably also be more alarmed about and politically reactive to the f-ups that DO affect all of us.

Like this tip of the iceberg:

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/bmw-moving-some-production-to-china-raising-prices-on-sc/article_2dab2678-837a-11e8-9b27-3fa07b822913.html

and this:

http://fortune.com/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-moving-production-overseas/

and this:

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/26/534365565/hundreds-of-carrier-factory-jobs-to-move-to-mexico

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They made it a right. You can't outlaw a right.

Jul 11, 2018, 10:30 AM

Therefore they DID legislate it into existence as a legal option for all women in all 50 states (equal protection). No state can outlaw or ban abortions. Same thing for gay marriage as well. It's the exact type of thing Trump's SC nominee is talking about when he says the court should interpret the law, not MAKE the laws. This is really where the 10th and 14th Amendments collide. Through the Equal Protection clause, the court is given a de facto power to legislate from the bench. Their rulings must be applied to everyone in all 50 states (equal protection). That makes the 14th Amendment so deleterious to our original founding as a republic. It was created after the Civil War with the best intentions, and has been used for good intentions in the past. But many things that are ultimately bad start with the best of intentions. I'd wager if you took a poll of members of Congress in 1868 who voted on the 14th Amendment and told them that by passing it, you would allow same sex marriage and women to abort unborn children, it would have never passed. It was solely a power play to ensure a Civil War never happened again. By making slavery a state issue (which was technically correct) for decades leading up to the war, a flaw was seen that needed to be fixed to prevent another war over another issue, such as slavery. BUT, the reason the 10th Amendment failed with the issue of slavery was due to the fact that we were still growing into our shoes as a country and new states were being formed, AS slavery was a divisive issue. So slavery became a volatile issue mainly in NEW states that were joining the union. This was the flash-point that caused the Civil War.

Today we have a set number of states. In this environment the problems that led to the creation of the 14th Amendment have been largely mitigated. There are no new states joining the union to serve as battlegrounds over divisive issues. It is no longer needed really. But the power of Equal Protection, which is needed in some cases, is too big to relinquish. It's a tool created with the best of intentions that has been abused and will be abused more and more if allowed. But make no mistake, the use of that Amendment to take power from states to make their own laws, and apply laws universally across the 50 states, seeds more discord than a republic can handle. It leads us down the path of traditional democracies, and steers us away from what keeps us functioning as a republic. And that road, in a nation as diverse as our own, leads to destruction.

Same thing is happening with the electoral college, a relic of when we were designed to function as a republic. It originally helped big-government urban populations have voting power they would otherwise lose to the small-government rural majority in America at the time. Today the demographics are reversed, and it helps the rural small-government voters have power they would otherwise lose to urban big-government voters. Same thing for the Senate really. 50 states. TWO senators per state, population notwithstanding. That's the same republican principle being applied to the legislative branch.

You have to step back and see what's really happening. Our problems are not political. They're structural and center on power. Period. Politics is just the fuel for the engine to divide people and acquire more power. And power was the ultimate enemy our founding fathers were fighting. Not liberals, conservatives, urban or rural interests, or anything else. Power. Our power structure set forth in our Constitution is what makes us different from other "democracies". Nothing more or less.

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“Overturn Roe v. Wade” Why do I keep hearing this?

you are hearing this

its pretty crazy how easily people are manipulated into

Re: its pretty crazy how easily people are manipulated into

It's like you folks exist in a different plane of reality.

Yikes.***

Lulz. Tell me someone from her era who

it's just that her ilk were a special breed