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All-TigerNet [12539]
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Why do people look down on Cuse and Pitt?
Jul 16, 2012, 8:30 PM
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And why do they think West Virginia is such a power? I know what WV did to our defense, but it was Kevin Steele's defense. Syracuse beat West Virginia 49-23 in October of last year and that was their third consecutive win over West Virginia. West Virginia beat Pitt 21-20. West Virginia won its last three games of the year vs Louisville, Uconn and Pitt by a total of 7 points.
Yes, this really makes our Orange Bowl debacle look worse, but it also makes it look flookish. Makes you wonder how bad things were getting under Kevin Steele. Also makes me wonder why people thing WVU is some great national power now. Heck, they have ben owned by Cuse for three years running.
Welcome to the ACC Syracuse and Pitt. Can't wait until Pitt announces they have closed the deal with the Big East.
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All-In [30827]
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It simple. They're basketball schools.***
Jul 16, 2012, 8:59 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83075]
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Right now but a lot of football potential. Both
Jul 16, 2012, 9:02 PM
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will benefit from PSU's program declining.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Both have better football histories than USCe
Jul 16, 2012, 9:03 PM
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So at least they have that going for them.
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CU Guru [1047]
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Yeah, but so do about a hundred other FBS programs...***
Jul 16, 2012, 10:17 PM
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CU Medallion [67817]
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Oculus Spirit [83075]
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Not true of PItt. They are a football school and what is
Jul 17, 2012, 9:45 AM
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Michigan(both)? GT? NC State (both)? Wicconsin? Purdue (both)? WVU(has more tradition in basketball)?, Arizona?, Stanford?
Sometimes it's hard to tell.
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Re: It simple. They're basketball schools.***
Jul 16, 2012, 9:41 PM
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> That's funny. They're 9 national championships would
> say otherwise!
Pitt has 2 (1937, 1976) and Cuse has 1 (1959)...
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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Pitt has been named national champions 17 times
Jul 16, 2012, 9:48 PM
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by various publications. The University itself officially recognizes 9 of them. 1915, 1916, 1918, 1929, 1931, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1976.
It should note that the AP only started naming national champions in 1936.
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Re: Pitt has been named national champions 17 times
Jul 16, 2012, 10:11 PM
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> by various publications. The University itself
> officially recognizes 9 of them. 1915, 1916, 1918,
> 1929, 1931, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1976.
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> It should note that the AP only started naming
> national champions in 1936.
Yea if we go by any selector then Princeton has 26, Yale has 18, Minnesota has 6, Penn has 6, Army has 5. Just because you have them doesn't make you relevant.
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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Well 4 were unanimous and the 1st 8 were represented
Jul 16, 2012, 10:42 PM
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in a 1970 SI study on college football national champions. They were all selected by a major publication of the time. The 9th of course was after.
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All-American [593]
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Maybe so but they put 45000 in the stands for BBall
Jul 16, 2012, 9:31 PM
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Think about that for a minute. Thats for basketball. Plus this gives us another state to recruit once we start playing there. I think this will turn out better then people give it credit for.
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Re: Maybe so but they put 45000 in the stands for BBall
Jul 16, 2012, 9:37 PM
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> Think about that for a minute. Thats for basketball.
> Plus this gives us another state to recruit once we
> start playing there. I think this will turn out
> better then people give it credit for.
Unless you're talking about PA, I'm from upstate NY and Chad Kelly type players only show up once every 5 or so years.
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All-American [593]
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Talking about both NY and PA***
Jul 16, 2012, 9:41 PM
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Re: Pitt has only been relevant in basketball for 10 years
Jul 17, 2012, 12:01 AM
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Pitt football ended when Pitt Stadium was torn down.
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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I wouldn't neccessarily say that
Jul 17, 2012, 12:16 AM
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I would agree that taking the stadium off campus created some disconnect from the students, but I think the mediocrity has had a lot to do with it as well. It's not to say Pitt hasn't tried, they thought they had made some better hires than they did and of course recruiting wise using facilities with the Steelers helps.
A lot of people in Pittsburgh still care about Pitt football and if they started winning people would rally around them. College sports are a tougher sell in bigger cities where there are lots of other options, but I still get plenty of people holler at me and talk about football and talk about being excited to make a road trip down to Tigertown when they see me in my orange walking around the city. It's a pretty common thing.
There's no doubt things need to get better, but by no means is it dead.
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CU Guru [1363]
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i'd say they both have far better fanbases than BC
Jul 17, 2012, 8:50 AM
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and I'd say BC is a worse fit than either of those schools... and i'm just talking about football
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Re: Why do people look down on Cuse and Pitt?
Jul 16, 2012, 9:04 PM
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Because it's the off - season and they need something to whine and ##### about!
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Fan [67]
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Re: Why do people look down on Cuse and Pitt?
Jul 16, 2012, 9:05 PM
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Cuse beating WVU was a fluke and WVU-PITT is one of the nastiest rivalry games around and are usually close affairs. Cuse has no football following and recruits joke kids from NY.
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Re: Why do people look down on Cuse and Pitt?
Jul 16, 2012, 9:08 PM
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Don't really look down on them, but they just aren't our natural rivals.
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Um...they're not Clemson! We'll own them too!***
Jul 16, 2012, 9:34 PM
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Re: They are bowl consumers. We need bowl producers.
Jul 16, 2012, 9:40 PM
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WVU is a bowl producer; these other two are not. Maybe that will change with Pitt.
I'm not too concerned about Pitt - wish we'd have gone w/ WVU rather than Syracuse, though. We could always have gotten Syracuse later, if necessary (where else were they gonna go?!).
Just think - if we'd gotten WVU, our situation today would be solidified in the ACC, and instead, it's dramatically destabilized. And there does not appear to be a better place for Clemson to land at present.
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All-American [593]
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WVU didnt get in because of Academics. They are 164th***
Jul 16, 2012, 9:52 PM
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Orange Blooded [2361]
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I don't care about the ACC's academic reputation;
Jul 16, 2012, 10:01 PM
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I care about Clemson!
I acknowledge that WVU is objectionable in some ways. I think their being in the ACC would have been one of the least-objectionable alternatives, though.
I could certainly be mistaken, but I believe Clemson would be better off in an ACC with WVU than
- [Potentially] in a Big 12 with WVU, etc etc.
- In an ACC that can't compete financially
- In an SEC with LSU, etc etc.
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110%er [5912]
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Re: I don't care about the ACC's academic reputation;
Jul 16, 2012, 10:06 PM
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The university presidents do care about academic reputation.
They are in charge.
We won't win that argument.
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Orange Blooded [2361]
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The Big 12 and SEC are FULL of schools just as bad as WVU.
Jul 16, 2012, 10:20 PM
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We could either be in a stable conference with good schools plus 1 stinker (ACC+WVU), in an unstable conference with good schools (ACC w/out WVU), or in a stable conference with sorry schools (Big 12+WVU or SEC).
I'm not in favor of WVU except as a matter of survival, and the least-objectionable alternative. I certainly hope the path we've taken works out...the ACC, warts and all, is a unique idea in college sports - it's certainly worth protecting.
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Re: Why do people look down on Cuse and Pitt?
Jul 16, 2012, 9:50 PM
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I like how u say Kevin Steeles defense. Was he coaching it when Syracuse and Mcnabb put a WVU-TTU style ### whoopin also.. It happens, we cant blame the coaches EVERY year.
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Who did yall blame for that 0-21 streak?***
Jul 16, 2012, 9:53 PM
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Re: Who did yall blame for that 0-21 streak?***
Jul 16, 2012, 9:57 PM
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sorry, no yall here. I just think its funny how no other team has football, yet we get the #### beat out of us in non-conf games consistently. Our 30% winning perc against the SEC is only helped by the ##### joining. I love football, I just happen to realize clemson is a 30-35 all time team, not top 10.
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CU Guru [1210]
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Pitt
Jul 16, 2012, 9:55 PM
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c\is one of those programs that can be good...and I think they made a hire that can get them back to being relevant
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Because there is more to football than beating WVU
Jul 16, 2012, 10:33 PM
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Past decade
WVU: Four 10 win seasons, three top 10 AP rankings, six conference championships
Syracuse: Most wins in a season=8, never ranked, no championships
Try again!
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CU Guru [1363]
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actually, they were champs in 1959
Jul 17, 2012, 8:52 AM
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and I do believe they beat our #### in the gator bowl not too terribly long ago
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CU Guru [1363]
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missed the "past decade" part
Jul 17, 2012, 8:54 AM
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nevertheless, it's possible they could come back... we're trying to do that too, let's not forget
everyone needs to remember that in the eyes of fans across the nation, we're not far ahead of syracuse and pitt, if at all. we hang onto 1981 pretty hard...
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Re: Because there is more to football than beating WVU
Jul 17, 2012, 10:04 AM
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Cues has big east championships from 97,98, and 04 and is #3 in all time Big East championships behind Miami and WVU.
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Orange Blooded [2989]
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Only WV thinks they are a power. That is all.***
Jul 17, 2012, 12:41 AM
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Because most people are clueless...
Jul 17, 2012, 10:17 AM
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...I think these additions will work out better than folks think. The last time we played both of these schools we were badly beaten, so we do have the opportunity for some payback...
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maybe cause the
Jul 17, 2012, 10:18 AM
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Jack ### that runs the acc....has tried to lie to us all and tell us that pitt and cuse coming in was a football move ....not a basketball move....I smell bull ####
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