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I just saw that the Senate failed to advance the Cornivirus bill again
Mar 23, 2020, 2:24 PM
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What's the reason for that again?
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Shoomer hates Amuricans
Mar 23, 2020, 2:25 PM
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could be...
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From the Fox News article, Sen. Schumer seems to be
Mar 23, 2020, 2:51 PM
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at least doing something right:
"Meanwhile, Schumer, who said he was “hopeful” the Senate would get something done Monday, left the Senate floor to continue negotiations with the White House and Senate Republicans."
That is the correct course of action. And I'm sure others will join him when they are done "raging".
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Mitch McConnell already crushed him. Game over, man.***
Mar 23, 2020, 3:01 PM
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Well, if getting "crushed" means "retreating" to the
Mar 23, 2020, 3:03 PM
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negotiating table, then I hope they all get "crushed".
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Was it amended from what was voted on yesterday?
Mar 23, 2020, 2:27 PM
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If not, why would a different vote be expected? Get in a room and work out the differences. Don't come up for air until it's done.
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Re: Was it amended from what was voted on yesterday?
Mar 23, 2020, 2:39 PM
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It was their new one supposedly.
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The $500 Billion slush fund for Mnuchin to dole out
Mar 23, 2020, 2:32 PM
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has been a problem for many.
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then why is the slush fund in Nancy's bill?***
Mar 23, 2020, 2:47 PM
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Legend [15749]
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Link?
Mar 23, 2020, 3:30 PM
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Is it possible her...slush fund...has more defined controls or requirements?
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Re: Pelosi and Schumer want the Senate bill killed so she
Mar 23, 2020, 5:25 PM
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T3 I don't know how you come to your conclusions based on the article you included.
It seems to me that McConnell tried to ram through a Republican Bill and Schumer and Pelosi stopped him because it didn't provide enough help to the workers and too much help (with no controls figured in) to corporations and CEOs.
Now, I am not saying the Dems are saints - but the original bill was seriously flawed and biased towards the rich.
Bills are often involved in this give and take - and in the posturing that we are seeing here.
I would only hope that both sides are willing to negotiate fairly to get to a reasonable compromise.
Taking an extra few days will be better than passing a flawed bill that doesn't adequately help those most vulnerable in this crisis.
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Re: Pelosi and Schumer want the Senate bill killed so she
Mar 23, 2020, 5:28 PM
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I'm in manufacturing, and in that world, it is obvious
Mar 23, 2020, 2:40 PM
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That the best work is not done when rushed. Senators and Representatives should take a deep breath, calm down the emotional rhetoric, and work hard together to craft a good bill acceptable to all. Trying to do something as quickly as possible is not usually the correct course. Our system of government is designed to try to prevent emotional and knee-jerk laws.
They'll get something passed, and soon.
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Because too many quarantined Republicans for a majority
Mar 23, 2020, 2:41 PM
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The reason you know this political gamesmanship
Mar 23, 2020, 2:44 PM
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Is that it's not productive toward passing a bill. If someone votes "No," calling them names won't make them change to "Yes". What will get them to change to "Yes" is to talk to them, listen to their concerns, and either convince them that the existing bill is sufficient for those concerns, or modifying the bill to address them, or a combination of both (most likely). But that doesn't get them on TV as effectively.
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Republicans in Congress, Republican news media, and
Mar 23, 2020, 2:57 PM
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Republicans in P&R all say it's the Democrats' fault. Are you saying you don't find that persuasive?
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Okay you tell me who is being partisan
Mar 23, 2020, 3:27 PM
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Well first I'd just like to point out the irony of saying
Mar 23, 2020, 3:43 PM
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"The Democrats are being partisan!"
Secondly, what's happening now is by Mitch McConnell's own design. "Republicans are in the majority in the Senate. We wanted to put forward our proposal. We feel like we have an obligation to do that as a majority and the Democrats, of course, need to be given an opportunity to react to it." This is the Democrats reacting to it.
Lastly I'm not sure what House relief legislation you're referring to. Seems weird to have a 90-8-2 vote in the house where there's over 400 members, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Re: Well first I'd just like to point out the irony of saying
Mar 23, 2020, 3:46 PM
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Ok, so that's the one that was negotiated between
Mar 23, 2020, 3:54 PM
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House Dems and the Trump administration. So it was bipartisan from the start, as opposed to what we have here which, again, McConnell openly said the majority party was writing their own bill and the Democrats could answer. Perhaps they should have worked on it together like the House did with Trump. Probably would've been more productive than this shit show.
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I know you are smarter than this
Mar 23, 2020, 4:01 PM
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Trump caved? So much for art of the deal, I guess.***
Mar 23, 2020, 4:05 PM
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Re: I know you are smarter than this
Mar 23, 2020, 5:32 PM
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T3,
I think this is a bit more complex than tit-for-tat. maybe we could discuss what the Dems want that you think is so outrageous, rather than just saying - its our turn to write the next bill.
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Rock Defender [53]
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it isn't complex at all
Mar 23, 2020, 5:41 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Yes 40 Republicans voted against and 140 voted for it
Mar 23, 2020, 4:12 PM
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Re: Okay you tell me who is being partisan
Mar 23, 2020, 5:29 PM
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T3,
McConnell has admitted that this was a Republican majority bill. He thought he could force it through while Pelosi was out of town and he got caught out. Can you tell me some things that the Dems are actually asking for that you think are unreasonable ??
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I'm not writing my whole argument over again
Mar 23, 2020, 5:36 PM
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Joe Manchin - moderate Senator from WV had this say about it
Mar 23, 2020, 3:19 PM
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and he is almost always a reserved measured guy in his public statements.
Even moderate West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin lashed out at the Republicans over the lack of controls on the Exchange Stabilization Fund.
“It’s throwing caution to the wind for the average person working on Main Street, it’s balls to the walls for the people working on Wall Street,” Manchin declared. “It’s the same ol’ story from Mitch McConnell.”
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Also unproductive blustering.***
Mar 23, 2020, 3:36 PM
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It may offer some insight into answering the question posted
Mar 23, 2020, 3:44 PM
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since he is a Senator expressing his concern about the legislation in unusually strong language.
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Strong *ad hominem* language, which is unproductive.***
Mar 23, 2020, 4:49 PM
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Re: I just saw that the Senate failed to advance the Cornivirus bill again
Mar 23, 2020, 3:45 PM
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It’s just a disgrace the Dems are blocking this.
This money put into the economy will level things out until all is back to some kind of normal.
There are people that haven’t worked in 2 weeks and need this money.
Just like the impeachment the Dems are showing how stupid they really are.
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Re: I just saw that the Senate failed to advance the Cornivirus bill again
Mar 23, 2020, 4:40 PM
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I’m not saying the dems aren’t playing a little politics here...but glad Moscow Mitch is getting a little of his own medicine. They all just need to sit down (6ft apart) and compromise. If both sides end up disappointed then that’s a win for us IMO.
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