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Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 8:23 AM
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Shouldn't you be welcoming immigrants with open arms, whether they put your personal safety in jeopardy or not, in the hope that just a few of them will hear the gospel?
Proverbs 28:27- Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses.
Luke 14:14- Then Jesus said to his host . . . When you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.
1 Corinthians 9:22- I have become all things to all people, so that I may by every possible means save some.
Philippians 2:3- Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves.
What do you think Jesus will say to you regarding your treatment of these people who are seeking a better life? I'm thinking something like this....
Matthew 25:41-43- Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 8:27 AM
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Why would they want to mess up this country and in turn make worse lives for many here?
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 8:38 AM
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What makes you think letting in Hispanics would mess up the country? You haven't fallen for the false narrative that Trump has been pushing have you? Statistics suggest that areas with immigrants have lower crime rates and that native born citizens are more likely to commit crimes.
https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:11 AM
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It's not about being hispanic. I like all races. It's just the sheer numbers now. I trust 60 minutes and it's a huge burden on our system now. It's not a positive.
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:15 AM
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There are more job openings right now than there are people unemployed. The majority of Hispanics are willing to work.
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:24 AM
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WHAT PART OF EVERYONE WELCOMES IMMIGRANTS AS LONG AS THEY COME HERE LEGALLY GETS BY YOU SNOWFLAKES. TRUMP WELCOMES EVERYONE AS LONG AS IT IS DONE LEGALLY. HOW YOU THINK JESUS WOULD FEEL IF ONE OF THEM RAPED AND KILLED YOUR DAUGHTER. GUESSING WE WOULD SEE A LITTLE LESS SCRIPTURE.
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:49 AM
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Probably the same as if a white native born American did it....they do every day.
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Yet you make it as hard as possible to get in legally...
May 2, 2019, 1:41 PM
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"We only want immigrants who jumped through all of our impossible hoops to jump through to get into the country"
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:37 AM
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That is true, but are they qualified for all of the openings? I don't know. Also, how long will those unskilled jobs be there? Also, it's not all farm work and manual labor that Americans aren't will to do as far as job openings that can't be filled. It's pretty much the opposite. It's great for some businesses to get dirt cheap labor, but I don't see the upside for everyone else. I am pro all races and I am from California. All my relatives and extended family live there aside from my Mother, but California was better 30 years ago. We had all races then as well.
That's part of what makes California great. Everything always isn't about the economy. I like a less crowded state. It has nothing to do with the race of the people coming. That said, I don't respect the countries where they are coming from. I have lived in most of them. It makes me worry about what values they bring to the US. Either way, I don't see more people as a positive. They breed like crazy too. I think we need to help them fix their countries. I don't think you realize how many are coming at the moment and how many more would come if we just opened the border. Central America is a cluster F right now. I want strict borders. I am liberal, but I do believe in strict borders and very selective immigration. I am not a Christian, so I don't have to worry what Jesus what do.
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:49 AM
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I understand your point of view completely.
I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy. Conservatives claim to be all out about biblical principals when it comes to things like abortion and LGBT rights, but when it comes to immigration it’s “keep them out, they might hurt us” which is totally against biblical principals.
At least those on the left are not holding up a holy book as an example while at the same time contradicting it.
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 12:01 PM
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I highly doubt that anyone who posts here really down deep completely believes the Bible is the word of God.
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Not just the Word of God...
May 2, 2019, 12:51 PM
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but the LIVING Word of God. Yep, I sure do.
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Re: Not just the Word of God...
May 2, 2019, 5:06 PM
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Sure you do.
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Biblical Principles?
May 2, 2019, 12:49 PM
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You missed the part about not mis-using Biblical teachings it appears.
You think Jesus hasn't established "Entry" requirements for heaven that will not be strictly enforced?
Biblical principles NEVER teach that Governments [must] allow anyone into the country they govern.
Biblical principles DO teach how we, as individuals, should treat those around us - or those just passing by (visitor or immigrant) - if they are here. BUT GOD gives government to rule over a land and that rule of law applies to those in the country and those trying to get in.
Follow the rules. Play the game - without cheating. And treat the people already here (who the immigrant is trying to join) with the same respect you are demanding. Otherwise - throw them out.
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I threw up in my mouth reading this hypocrisy***
May 2, 2019, 1:42 PM
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Good Deal!
May 2, 2019, 2:07 PM
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Glad to help in any way I can.
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Re: Biblical Principles?
May 2, 2019, 9:02 PM
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You think Jesus hasn't established "Entry" requirements for heaven that will not be strictly enforced?
Bro, that's one of my favorite new Trumpie arguments! Jesus has heaven requirements so we need strict border requirements. Like the two are comparable.
Of course, I believe we're supposed to only turn away bad people at the border if we use that analogy...
One of my favorite memes is mentioning that heaven has a wall, so we need one too!
Except heaven wouldn't need a wall, right? Why would God need a wall?
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Re: Biblical Principles?
May 2, 2019, 11:20 PM
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It has a gate.
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Ever stop to ask why God needs a gate?
May 2, 2019, 11:22 PM
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Seems a little superfluous.
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This is always a fun exercise
May 2, 2019, 8:33 AM
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Christians don’t need the government to be their church. We are Christians as individuals. Dems always try to link scriptures of giving to the poor with government handouts and welfare. We don’t need or want the government to to be Christian for us- and if we did, we wouldn’t start with open boarders and welfare. I would personally start with defunding PP and reducing the size and scope of govt wherever possible.
“But Trump” you say.....
Christians don’t have to love everything Trump says or does to know he is better than any wacky socialist leftist nut job that the dems march out there.
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Re: This is always a fun exercise
May 2, 2019, 8:39 AM
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Nice deflection....
We both know it's the evangelical christians leading the charge to build the wall.
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Re: This is always a fun exercise
May 2, 2019, 8:49 AM
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Not a deflection, just that you dems act like Christians are just morons that signed up to have more laws. Then you try to make the Bible look like it was co-written by Soros.
At least you read some scripture tho. This wasn’t completely useless!
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Re: This is always a fun exercise
May 2, 2019, 9:44 AM
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Not morons, just hypocrites who selectively follow the teachings of the very person they claim is their savior.
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Re: This is always a fun exercise
May 2, 2019, 11:21 PM
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So, you think you understand the teachings of Jesus?
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Ehhhh....
May 2, 2019, 8:53 AM
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"We don’t need or want the government to to be Christian for us..."
If that's true, why do so many Christians try to infuse Christianity and Christian doctrine into our laws and government structure?
Also, we really need to have a lesson here on the difference between "border" and "boarder". It's become the P&R version of "lose" and "loose".
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Examples please
May 2, 2019, 9:02 AM
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Not of my spelling!! Haha
Of Christianity infused laws.
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Re: Examples please
May 2, 2019, 10:00 AM
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Blue laws? For a while, a ban on gay marriage? The Supreme Court had to remove compulsory Christian prayer in public schools.
Let me know if you want more.
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Re: Examples please
May 2, 2019, 10:58 AM
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Blue laws are religious in nature but have been adopted over the years by the unions as well as a “rest” day. That said they were started in the 1700’s and are tied to the founding of our country... religious liberty etc etc.
Marriage in this country was historically tied to religion and performed in the church. Progressives started with trying to make churches perform and recognize gay marriages. No one really cares if gays are married- the govt just can’t make the churches perform ceremonies that are against their belief system.... religious liberty etc etc
I don’t think we’re finished with the compulsory prayer yet. Just my opinion that this will come full circle when the libs are fighting for sharia law in a few years.
There is a big difference between Christianity infused laws (implying pubs are writing laws to force or advance their religious ideology) and progressives putting limiting boarders (joke) around Christianity.
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Re: Examples please
May 2, 2019, 1:47 PM
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Blue laws are religious in nature but have been adopted over the years by the unions as well as a “rest” day. That said they were started in the 1700’s and are tied to the founding of our country... religious liberty etc etc.
But they're still religious in nature. That proves my point.
Marriage in this country was historically tied to religion and performed in the church. Progressives started with trying to make churches perform and recognize gay marriages. No one really cares if gays are married- the govt just can’t make the churches perform ceremonies that are against their belief system.... religious liberty etc etc
Eh, no, no one tried to make churches perform or recognize gay marriages. The issue was over legally allowing it and recognizing them under law, and the fight against it was 100 percent Christian-based. "No one really cares if gays are married" is a completely false statement and I will prove that if you want me to. Otherwise, we can just accept it an move on.
I don’t think we’re finished with the compulsory prayer yet. Just my opinion that this will come full circle when the libs are fighting for sharia law in a few years.
Yes, we are. The Supreme Court decided that decades ago and no "lib" or any other American is trying to push Shairia Law. That's a statement of conjecture and would be completely unconstitutional to even attempt.
There is a big difference between Christianity infused laws (implying pubs are writing laws to force or advance their religious ideology) and progressives putting limiting boarders (joke) around Christianity.
That's exactly what Pubs have tried to do over the years and continue to do. What laws have been passed to restrict religious freedom?
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Re: Ehhhh....
May 2, 2019, 9:04 AM
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This.
They seem to be all about their Christians values until the whole loving your neighbor part is pointed out.
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Ahhh ha
May 2, 2019, 9:07 AM
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My initial reply was not a deflection as you claimed BUT was exactly what you were trying to imply...
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This illustrates why Pubs give WAY more to charity
May 2, 2019, 11:01 AM
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It’s the whole role of govt and responsibility of self. Which to me is a much more interesting conversation that trying to peg some scripture to your political action of the day.
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They're about 97% Catholic. hth***
May 2, 2019, 8:41 AM
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My question for Christsocialists is
May 2, 2019, 8:44 AM
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Why do you want so many new voters who adamantly oppose abortion?
I'll wang up and listen.
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Re: My question for Christsocialists is
May 2, 2019, 9:46 AM
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You seem to be implying we should only help those we agree with… how ###### of a person do you need to be to believe that?
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Yeah, dems are tripping all over themselves to help pubs***
May 2, 2019, 10:15 AM
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Re: Yeah, dems are tripping all over themselves to help pubs***
May 2, 2019, 12:21 PM
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I would like to think either side would want to help someone in need. Who cares what their party affiliation is or what religious beliefs they hold? Why should that matter at all? I can see disagreeing on how best to realistically help but to deny the need or not even attempt to help because they don't think the same way is gross.
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If they all come here for help
May 2, 2019, 8:44 AM
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There won’t be any reason to spend all that money to go on fancy mission trips to those fun tropical countries.
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The US gov gives about $52BB in foreign aid each year...
May 2, 2019, 9:33 AM
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private charitable donations are in the range of about $400BB (not sure how much of that is foreign).
I don't think it's valid to say that the government's actions, or what one wants the government to do, is synonymous with one's overall personal actions.
I don't think believing that we need to protect our border and enforce existing immigration law is counter to being a Christian. I don't have a problem with offering asylum to people that meet the standards under the law. I don't have a problem with legal immigration...in fact I think it ought to be easier and clearer to immigrate to the US legally, not to mention easier work visas/permits.
I know it serves a political purpose to set-up the issue as those who believe that laws and borders ought to be enforced hate people that are different from them. But, at best, it's disingenuous.
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Question for the lefties.
May 2, 2019, 9:38 AM
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When'd you get so interested in religion?
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Everyone wants to put Jesus in a political box.
May 2, 2019, 9:41 AM
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They were doing it was he was walking the earth, and they've been doing it ever since. One of the reasons leaders of the time wanted Jesus dead was because they thought he was leading an insurrection. Meanwhile, the other crowd was mad because he wasn't leading an insurrection.
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Re: Everyone wants to put Jesus in a political box.
May 2, 2019, 9:43 AM
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I think you're missing my point.
I just don't get it when the same people who do the "Christian flying spaghetti monster hurr durr derp" type posts attempt to go and utilize the bible in their arguments.
For example, I think scientology is silly. I'm probably not going to go quote L. Ron Hubbard when addressing a Scientologist.
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Yes...please note that my post was
May 2, 2019, 9:45 AM
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agreeing with yours, in case that wasn't clear. Even the "non-religious," or "leftists" want Jesus in their political box.
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My bad....blew past your point.***
May 2, 2019, 9:49 AM
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But to better zero in on a potential answer to your
May 2, 2019, 9:54 AM
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perhaps rhetorical question, I think there's definitely an inherent, even if unwitting, belief/respect/fear of Jesus Christ, even among those who do not claim Him, or believe in Him.
Deep down, there's something inside that recognizes the truth. It's why there is so much effort among non-believers to snuff out Christ. If He's not real, or isn't who He says He is, then why bother?
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Re: Everyone wants to put Jesus in a political box.
May 2, 2019, 9:53 AM
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Logical arguments don’t always work when discussing faith-based beliefs. Sometimes you need to go to the source of a person’s belief to prove a point or express a possible different interpretation.
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Re: Everyone wants to put Jesus in a political box.
May 2, 2019, 10:17 AM
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We’re pointing out your hypocrisy....or the fact that you have no clue what’s written in your scriptures.
Jesus was much more concerned with how you treat others than following a set of laws. Paul expounded on this point in depth in his letters.
Trump, Mike Pence, and their ilk, are perfect examples of modern day Pharisees that Jesus and the apostle Paul loved to call out.
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Interesting perspective...
May 2, 2019, 10:20 AM
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Most non-Christians typically view Jesus as the more "just love everyone" guy, and Paul as the "here's a bunch of rules" guy. Good cop/bad cop, so to speak.
Paul didn't spend so much time on "Phariseeism" as he did lambasting false preachers and false gospels.
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pro tip—-pointing out other’s hypocrisy is about all both
May 2, 2019, 10:25 AM
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Sides do these days. Sure, it might be good for a “gotcha” and a quick burst of dopamine when you’re having an especially bad self-esteem day, but as a method of persuasion, it’s pretty lousy.
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Re: pro tip—-pointing out other’s hypocrisy is about all both
May 2, 2019, 10:37 AM
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Well it wouldn’t happen if our president and Vice President didn’t constantly pander to their base in the name of Christ, but I think you know that, you’d just rather be obtuse than face that reality.
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Ahh yes. The name calling and the BUT-Trump
May 2, 2019, 11:03 AM
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Much better methods of persuasion there!! Well done sir!
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Re: Ahh yes. The name calling and the BUT-Trump
May 2, 2019, 11:19 AM
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He wanted to know why I was using Christians scriptures here and I told him.
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I got it.
May 2, 2019, 12:05 PM
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“Jesus was much more concerned with how you treat others than following a set of laws.“
This is our common ground.
Correct me if I’m wrong, BUT You are saying that you have come to the conclusion that Jesus would want open borders and this all Christians should join your side of this debate.
I am saying that we don’t need to adjust laws based on my Christianity. The inverse of this argument doesn’t work and until we for the United States of Christians, I think we should have more and more responsibility placed on the individual citizens of the country. Quite frankly there has probably never been a worse charitable organization as the US govt. They are terrible stewards of capitol and don’t understand incentive drivers.
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Re: I got it.
May 3, 2019, 9:10 AM
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No I'm saying Jesus' would not be pushing for a wall to keep people out of the country who are simply trying to better their life.
I'm not saying we should have open borders. We already have immigration laws. Conservatives led by Trump are pushing false narratives and demonizing these people who are trying to get here.
That's the exact opposite of what a christian should do....
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Yet none of them can point out one incident of Christ...
May 2, 2019, 10:35 AM
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The Apostles or the Early Church doing anything which involved politics. Everything to all of them was spiritual and totally devoid of politics or political motive.
It stems from self justification with a total and complete lack of self awareness. That's covered in the book, beam, splinter, eye...
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Re: Yet none of them can point out one incident of Christ...
May 2, 2019, 10:41 AM
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BS. Jesus routinely called out the political leaders of the day. That’s exactly what the Pharisees were in Jerusalem. They used their power to oppress the marginalized in society and they did so in the name of god. It’s exactly what trump and pence are doing now. Mike Pence has built a career on fighting for laws based on biblical principles. He seems to have forgotten the most important one though....
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Christ called them out for their hypocrisy.
May 2, 2019, 10:47 AM
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He didn't mention their politics but their laborious demands on Israel's people when they didn't meet the measure they set.
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The study of religion is fascinating, regardless of beliefs.***
May 2, 2019, 10:02 AM
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Resend the slander and I'll discuss my views.
May 2, 2019, 10:08 AM
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Otherwise, you may carry on in ignorance.
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There is no slander in that post. No legally, at least.***
May 2, 2019, 10:21 AM
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In fact...
May 2, 2019, 10:22 AM
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It's libel if written. It's amazing how many Americans have no clue about libel/slander law but want to holler it any chance they get when their feelings are hurt.
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That wasn't the point.
May 2, 2019, 10:44 AM
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I wasn't planning a lawsuit.
Had he ever been less impolite I might have explained to him that one shouldn't solicit an opinion by being insulting in their request.
Would you like to discuss the subject matter he presented?
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There was no libel in his post
May 2, 2019, 11:04 AM
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Maybe don't demand he remove something that isn't there as a condition of discussion.
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You ignored my point.
May 2, 2019, 11:10 AM
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Way too often here we insult one another with more concern for being right than being polite. I'm a guilty of that as anyone. I've also learned you can't have a discussion with someone who is angry. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by not using terms like vicious, caustic, overly aggressive and rude.
I should not have used slander but an accusation like that rolls off the back of one who ask for an opinion when all he seems to want is to vent his anger.
Thanks for correcting me. Would you like to discuss the subject matter of his original post?
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Re: You ignored my point.
May 2, 2019, 1:39 PM
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I don't really have a vested interest in his original post. We've already established that Trump folks aren't really paying attention to the teachings of Christ when it comes to immigration. Not really interested in getting into it again.
Fair point on the accusation. My only point is that it isn't slander or libel, which is a fairly specific and serious charge.
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So you're redefining truth so whatever you say is truth...
May 3, 2019, 9:50 AM
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and fact. You have not established that Trump supporters are ignoring Christ's teachings when it comes to immigration. What you established is that in your opinion that is true. Truth is not relative to what you believe.
What do you know of Christ's teachings? Do you have the Spirit of Christ within you or what?
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Ah...I was confused about his post until now.
May 2, 2019, 12:18 PM
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Makes much more sense, LOL.
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If it gets past this ignorant country boy I can't help it.
May 2, 2019, 12:38 PM
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I learned to read and spell the words I could read at the hand of my great grandmother. She was born in the TN mountains back before the turn of the 1900s. I memorized every word I spell with no concept of phonics. It's been rough.
Thank you for the correction.
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It was purely in the spirit of help. Probably was
May 2, 2019, 12:40 PM
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confusing though, I'm an unabashed grammar Nazi ########, so it would have been a safe assumption if you thought that's where I was coming from.
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I really appreciate it.
May 2, 2019, 12:48 PM
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No one else seemed to be concerned enough to correct my err. I need to look up resend and find out how stupid I sound.
Lutz, I asked him to say it again. I imagine a little boy saying, "Knock this off my shoulder or step across this line, I dare you." Opie Taylorish
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I’m not much of a Christian, but I would guess that American Christians have done
May 2, 2019, 10:16 AM
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more than just about anyone to support the poor in Latin America. On top of that, America has probably (and I haven’t done the research so if I’m wrong just let me know) done more to support the poor in Latin America than any other country.
On top of that, I don’t think any other country accepts more immigrants every year than the USA.
So I will defer the Christian response to the more informed. But to me, American Christians, and Americans, have probably done more for Latin America than anyone. The fact that that doesn’t extend to “open borders” does not make me think they are unChristian.
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I am, decidedly, not one
May 2, 2019, 11:33 AM
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But I have observed (and this is of course anecdotal and tied only to the folks I interact with) that believers who support Trump seem to fall into 2 camps:
1) Support politically, don't attach a moral value to the man.
These are the folks who seem to see him as either the best of 2 bad options in 2016 or see him as a true outsider willing to put the needs of the country first. They voted for him not on any religious grounds (except for some portion who seem to have voted for him based on their belief that they will uphold their religious freedoms). I see no reason to think that position hypocritical (though I do not ascribe to it). Some of these are simply reactionary to perceived slights from the previous 8 years.
2) Support politically, see him as a misunderstood morally "reborn" man.
These are the folks who bought into the "reborn" trump willing to almost quote the bible (or talk it up at least). These are the ones sharing the memes of Trump being God's ordained leader of the country. I think it safe to say these are the folks you seem to be addressing. And admittedly, I do not understand them at all. I don't get the view that Trump has shown an ounce of the, in my estimation at least, required contriteness or humility which comes from repentance. But again, that's just me.
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I think that's a generous use of "supporter".
May 2, 2019, 12:03 PM
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I know a lot of religious people who think that Trump was indeed the Queen of the pigs in 2016, is rotten at being a human being, but believe that objectively, more good things have happened to them since 2016 than bad things. Also, none of them would be caught dead with a MAGA hat on or Trump sticker on their car.
What the left doesn't understand is that there are a lot of these people, and they're really, really confused and turned off by people who act as if the world is ending under Trump and the Nazis are moving in. The distaste for the hysterical hyperbole against Trump is more distasteful than Trump's stupid antics, because again, nothing really bad is happening due to Trump.
That's not a supporter---that's well-considered indifference.
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Fair enough, substitute whatever word there you wish
May 2, 2019, 1:21 PM
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I called them supporters because I see/hear them doing/saying things that seem to me to be quite supportive of him (and often dismissive of his faults).
Perhaps it is a matter of my own personal bias that causes me to label group #1 as supporters rather than non-detractors. I'm willing to concede that.
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I'm not sure I know anyone in camp #2
May 2, 2019, 12:11 PM
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But Camp #1 very accurately describes most everyone I'm close to.
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I think it betrays an insecurity in their
May 2, 2019, 1:24 PM
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vote. To have to essentially make up something that isn't there, to justify the support.
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That's fair.
May 2, 2019, 12:21 PM
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I agree with much of that. I think calling Trump a savior or even a type of savior is hyperbole. He seems to be running things with law and order as far as them being his standard for others but I suspect he's one of those who think their money comes from God as their reward for being so righteous.
I'd say most of the rich suffer from the Santa disease which they suffer due to the massive amounts of money their parents spent on the elaborate and impressive Christmas gifts. When the good kids get nice things and the bad children get so much less it leaves its mark on the soul. Self righteousness and lack of self awareness are the fruit of such situations for all born wealthy.
None of us meet the measure of Jesus Christ.
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If Jesus lived today, he would call them Pharisees
May 2, 2019, 1:39 PM
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I'm 100% positive Jesus would be at the border helping migrants with their basic health and food needs if he lived in the USA today.
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I'm 100% positive
May 2, 2019, 1:44 PM
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that anyone who claims to be 100% positive about what Jesus would be doing today probably isn't really 100% positive.
I mean, the disciples were all pretty tight with J-man and he threw them for a loop quite often.
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It just lines up with 100% of his teachings...
May 2, 2019, 1:45 PM
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IDK how you could possibly argue that he wouldn't be helping the poor, hungry, and sick.
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The book of Romans isn't really big on selective anarchy. ***
May 2, 2019, 1:48 PM
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To be fair
May 2, 2019, 1:53 PM
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I think there's a very real difference in what y'all are arguing.
He seems to be arguing that Jesus would be continuing His ministry He called us to via "feed my sheep."
You seem to be interpreting that as him having a position on Jesus calling government to do that work.
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That's a fair point, Thom...I suppose the nuance lies in
May 2, 2019, 2:01 PM
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which side of the border he thinks Jesus should be helping these people on?
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Indeed. That seems a good distinction.***
May 2, 2019, 2:38 PM
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That's because they focused on the physical...
May 3, 2019, 7:50 AM
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and he focused on the spiritual. His tangents to their belief were to help them understand this world isn't important because it's temporal, a vapor which vanishes at the first breeze. He would often lead them to understanding of the spiritual concept which was a reflection of the spiritual concept.
People struggle with Paul's teachings for the same reason. When searching for answers to issues in our lives we seek within the Word we realize that our problems are trivial and our real challenge is to learn the spiritual concepts represented by temporary issues.
So WWJD? He wouldn't be involved in politics. He would be doing what he's been doing since he created the world. He would be trying to save us from our sin. You can bank on that, I have.
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Re: That's because they focused on the physical...
May 3, 2019, 9:15 AM
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"He wouldn't be involved in politics."
Exactly. He'd be about helping people instead of keeping them out of his country. I see a lot of goats in the Trump camp....
Matthew 25:31-46-
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
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Re: Question for the Christrumptians....
May 2, 2019, 11:17 PM
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Are you a Christian? If not what makes you think you completely understand Christianity?
If so what makes you think you understand Christianity well enough to criticize in this respect?
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