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Question: Does it hurt or help Clemson to play an extra game & OHst doesn't?
Nov 30, 2016, 10:55 PM
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Saying..we get more experience but could acquire injuries AND allow OHst to see more of our plays/formations/tendencies.
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Re: Question: Does it hurt or help Clemson to play an extra game & OHst doesn't?
Nov 30, 2016, 11:04 PM
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It hurts simply based on the possible injury factor alone and nothing else. OSU is getting rewarded for losing at the right time.
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I am talking with a guy in another thread about this
Nov 30, 2016, 11:10 PM
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Sort of....
He thinks a 11-1 Ohio State is better than a 11-2 Penn State (if they win). But I disagree. If Ohio State finished the season 9 - 0 because they choose not to play out of conference games, is that better than being 11-1? So what about 10-0, is that better than 11-1? When does it begin to be better to play less games and have one less loss than someone else who played more? If you don't play the game, you shouldn't get treated as if you won it. Especially if that last game is against a division champ.
So a 11-1 Ohio State should already have a beginning disadvantage when compared to a 12-1 Clemson. Against a 11-2 PSU it should start even and go from there. IMHO....
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Re: I am talking with a guy in another thread about this
Dec 1, 2016, 8:24 AM
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11-1 > 11-2
12-1 > 11-1
And no team should get away with less than 12 games since that's the norm.
But the only reason PSU got an extra game in the first place is B1G doesn't care that OSU has a better record 11-1 than PSU 10-2 since they only look at conference games. Total pass on non conf games. Games like OSU beating Ok and PSU losing to Pitt.
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Re: I am talking with a guy in another thread about this
Dec 1, 2016, 8:59 AM
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So let's say that to compare records evenly that we give Ohio state half a win and half a loss, because we don't know if they would win or lose.
That means it would be Clemson at 12-1 and Ohio state at 11.5-1.5. So which team would you pick then? Seems like a fair comparison to me and it benefits the team that takes the risk of an extra game.
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Re: I am talking with a guy in another thread about this
Dec 1, 2016, 9:06 AM
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Why not just recognize the actual records after the extra game is played? It has the same effect:
Either Clemson 12-1 > OSU 11-1
Or Clemson 11-2 < OSU 11-1
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But if you are talking like we are gonna play them anyway
Nov 30, 2016, 11:13 PM
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Then yes I think we better off not playing unless you could assure no injuries. I think them seeing our plays would even out with the experience we got?
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it hurts,they get to start preparing for us now,extra rest ,
Nov 30, 2016, 11:23 PM
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time to heal,did it help us to have a by before Fla st. they should not be rewarded a by because they were not good enough to get to their conference championship game. never reward a team for loosing
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That game is 4 weeks off, it doesn't matter
Dec 1, 2016, 12:37 PM
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Its not like a bye week where you have 1 week to prepare vs 2 weeks. It's 4 weeks vs 5 weeks. Unless it's some odd long term injury, that just happens to be over 4 weeks, it doesn't matter.
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Re: Question: Does it hurt or help Clemson to play an extra game & OHst doesn't?
Dec 1, 2016, 9:07 AM
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I think the CFPC should only look at the regular season if they're going to include those teams that do not play in their CC game. Otherwise those teams have a distinct advantage over any team with a better regular season record, but manage to lose the CC game.
As for benefits, those teams that play the extra game get more exposure and it probably helps recruiting for future, but that's about it as far as I can tell.
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Re: Question: Does it hurt or help Clemson to play an extra game & OHst doesn't?
Dec 1, 2016, 9:14 AM
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Problem is some teams, like PSU this year, need that game to have any shot.
That could be us one day as well. I think it's worth the risk. Also, I fully expect to leap OSU when we beat VT.
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Doesn't matter, we wouldn't play them until 12/31.***
Dec 1, 2016, 9:18 AM
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Suppose it's truly a lock for them even if they don't play..
Dec 1, 2016, 9:20 AM
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conference championship game. It's actually better for them not to play the game.
No matter what, playing a game means there is a possibility that they will lose it. So, why risk it if there is nothing to gain, right?
Anyway, it's what most people think--they are a lock. But I'm not so sure about that.
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Re: Suppose it's truly a lock for them even if they don't play..
Dec 1, 2016, 9:26 AM
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Even if they are a lock, they could (and should if cc games go a certain way) drop into the 4 spot.
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Well, the way I see it is Clemson controls
Dec 1, 2016, 9:22 AM
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its own destiny. Win the game, and Clemson is playoff bound.
Ohio State, on the other hand, isn't a lock. Yes, I realize they are still ranked #2 and in all likelihood will still make the playoff, but it's not guaranteed. If Penn State and Washington win their respective games by something like 30 points, I think it will give the committee a tough decision.
Long story short, the extra game allows Clemson to punch its ticket, assuming the Tigers win.
Meanwhile, Ohio State may still have some sweating to do.
Also, side note. Clemson played an extra game than Oklahoma last year, and we all know how that turned out.
Go Tigers!
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Answer: It helps!!!
Dec 1, 2016, 12:49 PM
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Our last opponent was so weak it wasn't even a good scrimmage for our Tigers. VT will be more of a challenge for us, and better prepare us for the CFP.
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