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I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on
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I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 1, 2019, 9:28 PM

Geography, it makes zero sense for Clemson to be in the same division as BC & Cuse. Clemson should be in the same division as GaTech & UNC.


https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2019/11/steve-addazio-wants-to-shake-up-acc-divisions-annex-pitt-with-syracuse-bc-10-things-to-know.html?outputType=amp

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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 1, 2019, 9:31 PM

Could probably save the schools some decent coin on travel too.

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And the fans!!!!


Nov 1, 2019, 9:35 PM

????????

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In other words, the BC coach doesn't want to play Clemson


Nov 2, 2019, 9:05 AM

every year. I have to agree that traveling would be easier, but I see this to be totally unbalanced in the near future. FSU will make a comeback and then the two best teams will still be in the same division.

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Agree. It's past time to realign the divisions...


Nov 1, 2019, 9:39 PM

...and even change the names. Coastal and Atlantic make zero sense. Last time I checked Coastal means near the coast, and Atlantic refers to the exact same body of water. Is North and South such a bad idea? I mean the ACC is the Atlantic Coast Conference for goodness sakes. That kinda takes care of the whole "Coast" and "Atlantic" thingy.

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Geography makes sense


Nov 1, 2019, 9:46 PM

Southern Division:
Clemson
GT
FSU
Wake
Miami
NCSU
Leweyville

Yankee/Lacrosse Division:
BC
UNC
Duke
UVA
Sorrycuse
VT
Pitt

Works for me. The Yankee/Lacrosse division is mostly the old Big East school and since Dook and the Tarholes are bball schools they will fit right in

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So the football imbalance gets worse


Nov 1, 2019, 9:51 PM

and we would be creating an imbalance for basketball by having divisions (since we currently do not)...

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Basketball doesn’t have division.


Nov 1, 2019, 9:56 PM

??

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I know, but it sounded like the poster I was responding to


Nov 1, 2019, 9:59 PM

was suggesting basketball divisions too. Perhaps I misread it.

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Wouldn’t affect anything. Divisions would only apply to FB


Nov 1, 2019, 9:59 PM [ in reply to So the football imbalance gets worse ]

as it does now. My mentioning of b-ball was due to the fact that the other schools in the Yankee division are similar in that they are better known as b-ball schools as opposed to FB schools.

Don’t think the realignment would create a football imbalance as it’s us and everyone else right now anyway. All it does is swap BC and Cuse with GT and Miami.

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Got it, thanks for clarifying.


Nov 1, 2019, 10:01 PM

I sometimes miss the old days when conferences had 8 teams and we played everyone else every year.

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That would be too simple Judge...


Nov 1, 2019, 10:05 PM

...today's "conferences" are so screwed up. West Virginia in the Big 12? lol

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It was definitely simpler then. Play everybody once in FB


Nov 1, 2019, 10:09 PM [ in reply to Got it, thanks for clarifying. ]

and everyone twice, home and away, in b-ball. I really don’t like playing teams like UNC in FB once every 8 yrs or whatever crazy system we have now.

I would like to see 8 team divisions with Norte Dame +1 (Navy, App St.), 7 divisional games, 2 cross division games, and 3 OOC. I don’t have a problem with a Wofford, Furman, Citadel type game once a year as long as it’s an in-state school. But that probably makes too much sense which is why it most likely never happen

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I’ll add that I don’t miss the 8-9 Shyatt Invitational***


Nov 1, 2019, 10:14 PM



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Re: I’ll add that I don’t miss the 8-9 Shyatt Invitational***


Nov 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

Sadly , I attended a lot of those back in the day . We called it the Pig Tail Game.

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Re: Got it, thanks for clarifying.


Nov 1, 2019, 11:19 PM [ in reply to Got it, thanks for clarifying. ]

I liked it better when there was a 10 team maximum in in any league. Conference championships really meant something. It's too big today; just a bloated money grab today.

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Re: Geography makes sense


Nov 1, 2019, 10:22 PM [ in reply to Geography makes sense ]

FSU will get back to what they were 4 or 5 years ago, and I don't think they should be in the same division as us. Imagine how good the ACC championship game would be with the old FSU and Clemson. Also have VT and Miami in different divisions!!!

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Yankee Lacrosse Division haha***


Nov 1, 2019, 10:35 PM [ in reply to Geography makes sense ]



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You’re never going to have a division with Clemson, FSU and


Nov 2, 2019, 6:24 AM [ in reply to Geography makes sense ]

Miami on the same side. 3 reasons:
1.) You would never have an attractive ACCCG matchup and the Atlantic would almost surely win ever one from here to Kingdom come.
2.) If Miami and FSU reach their potential, the 3 powers would destroy each other an we’d end up looking like the coastal and killing our playoff shots (we don’t get help from the media like the SEC and they would never promote that “brutal ACC Atlantic schedule).
3.) apply the same logic to the coastal division for basketball.

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Re: Geography makes sense


Nov 2, 2019, 8:45 AM [ in reply to Geography makes sense ]

Swap wake with VT

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+1 for Yankee/Lacrosse Division***


Nov 2, 2019, 9:39 AM [ in reply to Geography makes sense ]



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Better yet, just get rid of these garbage pro market northern schools


Nov 1, 2019, 9:42 PM

That bring nothing to table. Not even any good at basketball anymore.

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Nov 1, 2019, 9:45 PM



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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 1, 2019, 9:54 PM

I for one have long thought that the ACC should realign into a North and South Division.
However, I see it slightly different than you based on the fact that both Duke and UNC want, and need to remain in the same division.
So I would keep all the Tobacco Road schools plus Miami, FSU, and Clemson in the South, and move both Virginia, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech(which is our natural cross-divisional opponent anyway)into the North.

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Of course, it's the only thing that makes sense.


Nov 1, 2019, 9:55 PM

Which of course is why the ACC is only the conference that doesn't.

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how about do away with divisions entirely?


Nov 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

Just have 3 permanent rivals each and everybody else rotates. The top two in the standings play for the title game.

Clemson permanent rivals: GT, FSU, NC State

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permanent rivals in such a system


Nov 1, 2019, 10:29 PM

Clemson: GT, FSU, NC State
FSU: Clemson, Miami, Wake
GT: Clemson, Miami, Duke
Miami: FSU, GT, Pitt

NC State: Clemson, UNC, Wake
Wake: NC State, Duke, FSU
UNC: NC State, Duke, UVA
Duke: Wake, UNC, GT

Syracuse: Pitt, BC, Louisville
BC: Syracuse, Pitt, VT
Pitt: Syracuse, BC, Miami

Louisville: UVA, VT, Syracuse
UVA: VT, Louisville, UNC
VT: UVA, Louisville, BC

only a couple were forced like FSU/Wake, VT/Louisville

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Re: permanent rivals in such a system


Nov 2, 2019, 1:04 AM

Will we be able to get our schedule by the ends of April?

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of course***


Nov 2, 2019, 5:28 PM



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Nov 2, 2019, 11:26 AM [ in reply to permanent rivals in such a system ]

That works for me.




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A lot of that has to do with...


Nov 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

Miami and FSU heubristicly insisting on being in separate Divisions so they could play each other for the championship every year.




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Re: A lot of that has to do with...


Nov 2, 2019, 12:46 AM

+1 for using "hubristically", even though your spellcheck messed it up

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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 2, 2019, 12:57 AM

That’s a stupid idea. Put all the traditional football powers in one side of a conference. Great setup for Syracuse.

I’d rather they move them around every year based on the prior year’s results....

1,4,6,8,10,12,14 in one side
2,3,5,7,9,11,13 in the other.

There are NO great rivalries in the ACC that a sacred cows.

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FSU-Clemson, FSU-Miami, UNC-UVA and GT-Clemson come to mind***


Nov 2, 2019, 2:30 AM



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Nov 2, 2019, 7:15 AM

None of those are great rivalries. Good games, but not great rivalries.

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Nov 2, 2019, 8:19 AM

Your definition of "great rivalry" seems a bit too narrow for this discussion.

What we're talking about is either longstanding (e.g. Clemson-GT) or division/conf. championship-determining (Clemson-FSU, recently).

Doesn't have to be Michigan-OSU to be "great" in that sense.

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Nov 2, 2019, 8:55 AM [ in reply to Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on ]

Scheduling 20 years into future now. How would you find game dates for this annual reshuffle based on prior year standings?

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The existing alignment was surprising, for I thought


Nov 2, 2019, 4:56 AM

the powers-that-be would create more of a north-south version.

Nothing whatsoever against Louisville, but even more surprising was the effete elitism that offered Pitt and completely disregarded their long-standing rival, West Virginia, with the expansions. It took direct intervention (and direct threats) by the Governor of Virginia to obtain the invitation to VT. Then, claiming academic deficiency, the ACC ignored the Mountaineers only to turn right around later with an offer to Louisville. Frankly, those moves only served to reenforce my longheld contempt for the conference.

Regardless, I support your thoughts and placement of teams. Good job!

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I still prefer this breakdown (old vs new).....


Nov 2, 2019, 7:53 AM

Original Division

Clemson
Duke
GT
NCSU
UNC
UVA
Wake

Extra Crispy

BC
FSU
Louisville
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Va. Tech

Make FSU our cross division rival.
UVA gets VT...then figure out what to do with the rest.

Geography still factored in, but the northern teams make an annual trip to Florida.

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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 2, 2019, 9:46 AM

Leave it alone. It seems to be working just fine for our Tigers.

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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 2, 2019, 9:57 AM

It is up to the other schools to up their game, especially the Coastal. We can't help much with that other than bringing in viewers and CFP $. I think UNC and VT could be beginning a surge and UVA shows potential then shoots it's self in the foot. Satterfield could improve Louisville in the Atlantic. FSU ?

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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 2, 2019, 9:53 AM

Don't hold your breath. They will not change anything but can't get any worse. What have they got to lose establishing better regional rivalries and more directional divisions.Actually might make the conference better.

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Re: I agree with BC’s coach the ACC needs to realign based on


Nov 2, 2019, 11:20 AM

Might be a good idea for non-revenue sports to save money, and travel time for the students. The non-revenues are different anyway with the addition of the 'domers for those sports.

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Nov 2, 2019, 11:31 AM

I would like one division where everyone has three permanent rivals and you rotate the other five games among your ten remaining opponents. You would play everyone at least every other year. You would play your biggest rivals every year. We would get FSU, GT, and NC State. Top two play for the ACC title. I don’t like the old days of playing the same eight teams every year, personally. I thought it got kind of boring. I like a trip to Boston, Blacksburg, or Pittsburgh sprinkled in there.

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Do away with divisions, each school gets 3 permanent rivals


Nov 2, 2019, 11:38 AM

Ours would be GaTech, FSU & NCState, play them every year. Play the 10 remaining teams every other year. Top two play in ACC CG.

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Maybe we should just set a three year deadline to


Nov 2, 2019, 12:24 PM



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