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2 psi less in football


Posted: Jan 22, 2015 11:27 AM
 

I guess I am one of the few that see this more as hype. I read all about the process that is gone through for game balls before a game. USATODAY had a good article. The point being it would be really hard to do. But as far a rule goes, there are a lot of rules in every game, some get called and some do not, see it all the time. If they did it on purpose and you can prove it fine, punish them. But to quote Shakespeare " this is a tale told by and idiot, with sound and fury, signifying nothing". This is media hype in a 24 cycle world.


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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 11:37 AM
 

If it came out that the Redskins had done this, or the raiders, everyone would laugh. I can promise you more than just the patriots have done this. I know I know, rules are rules, but everybody breaks rules every day in every sport, it has been like that and will always be like that.


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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 11:40 AM
 

Yup, but when you get caught, you pay the penalty.

The vast majority of drivers speed, but not everyone gets caught. When you get caught, you either get a ticket or get off with a warning. You are much less likely to get a warning if you have been caught for speeding before. In this case, the Patriots have been caught breaking the rules before, so they are not likely to get off without a penalty.

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 11:47 AM
 

I agree with them being penalized, they should be. But some people are outraged and they act shocked as if the game was fixed. Fine them, take a draft pick and move on. They are cheaters, big shock. We all knew this. My take is it doesn't really matter what the penalty is, what's done is done. It won't wont change the past and teams are gonna try it in the future.


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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 11:55 AM
 

Valid points. It's certainly not the reason they won the game, but the outcome does not change the intent. Hopefully, they will be punished, we can all laugh at them and call them cheaters, and then we can move on to the real business at hand... the Super Bowl.

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 12:10 PM
 

Whether roger goodell agrees with it or cares if they did it I'm sure they will be punished just to satisfy the haters. Cause if he doesn't that will just cause more uproar. I just hope Seattle does to them what they did to the Broncos last year.


the Patriots and their coach


Posted: Jan 22, 2015 6:45 PM
 

Are known and proven cheaters. So it is no surprise.

Brady said he noticed no difference..... That's because they've been doing it all year. Probably fill the balls in a warm room, keep them there until time for refs to check them. Then put them in the cold to lose a little pressure. Viola

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 8:41 PM
 

they just might be the worst collection of organized sleaseballs in all of pro sports!!

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 12:22 PM
 

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 1:03 PM
 

It is easy to say that, and it probably wouldn't be a big deal if both teams played with the same condition. However, from a analytic point of view:

The regulation is that the pressure is supposed to be from 13 to 15 psi.
The balls were reported to be 2 psi below allowable, which translates to 11 psi. (13-2 =11)

Ignoring gauge inaccuracy and human factors in reading the gauge, the best that can be concluded is that the balls were deflated approximately 3 psi below the mid range norm (14 psi). Which is about 22% below normal pressure. (26% below the 15 psi limit, and 15% below the 13 psi). 2 psi doesn't sound like much until you compare it to the normal pressure.

If you don't think this makes a difference, under deflate a basket ball by 22%, or go deflate your tires by 22% and see what a difference it makes in performance. Deflation of tires is a pretty good analogy for this situation. Under-inflating tires can be a positive effect if you are driving in snow, rain, or mud. But it would be unfair to race a competitor in these conditions if your tires are deflated below what the rules allow.

My guess is that the Pat's logic was that the increased grip for the running game and short passes was best for their game plan that day. The fact that one ball was not deflated proves their intent, because they reserved that ball for a case where they needed to revert to long throws. If that situation arose they still had one ball suited for that purpose.

I really don't care about the game, or the results, but I detest anyone that recieves gains by unethical actions. So I am intrigued by the story.

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 6:47 PM
 

Ball with all the pressure was for kicking.

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 1:06 PM
 

I am nuetral due in part that I could really care less about this and the NE Patiots for that matter....but I will say that I know for a fact that I alone can heeve a football that is a bit deflated about 60 yards...Just displayed such even about an hour ago actually

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 2:41 PM
 

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And he knows a little something about being cheated out of something. State would have won that game if coach would have put him in, deflated balls or not.

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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 7:42 PM
 

Big Deal! A tempest in a tea pot!


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Posted: Jan 22, 2015 9:00 PM
 

2 psi is a lot when your talking about 12.5 is the min. That 16 percent of the total. I'm sure a ball at 10.5 has a whole different feel and proformence. Yeck you would even have less fumbles because the rb could hold onto it better and squeeze it. It's a big deal and they should be fined and lose draft picks.


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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 11:19 AM
 

Personally I couldn't care less about the severity of the offense... It's the intent that makes this interesting. Did they cheat/lie/steal in order to take something that they might not have deserved? If so this is an ideal opportunity to make an example out of them... What that example is and what lessons can be taken from it are yet to be seen.


2 psi out of 12 psi. Or roughly 15% of the air in the ball.


Posted: Jan 23, 2015 11:22 AM
 

Still think that doesn't sound too bad?


I can tell when my truck tires lose a couple lbs of air


Posted: Jan 23, 2015 11:46 AM
 

and that's 36-40 psi.

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