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All-In [47796]
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Hey, Roe,
Sep 4, 2018, 2:54 PM
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Re: Hey, Roe,
Sep 4, 2018, 3:42 PM
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Hey back-room, life-threatening, illegal abortions....come on down!
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Just a reminder
Sep 4, 2018, 3:51 PM
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All abortions are already life threatening because it always involves murdering a baby.
HTH
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Oculus Spirit [83119]
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^^big gubmit liberal^[***
Sep 4, 2018, 4:34 PM
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Re: Hey, Roe,
Sep 4, 2018, 3:43 PM
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I always marveled at how "small govt." conservatives don't bat an eye when the 'govt.' tries to extend it's power inside a human body.
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you mean they think the gov. should protect life?***
Sep 4, 2018, 3:44 PM
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Legend [15492]
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Re: you mean they think the gov. should protect life?***
Sep 4, 2018, 3:54 PM
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The government should not have the power to tell a woman what she can do with her own body.
I am morally opposed to abortions, but it isn't my body and I don't think government should have that kind of power any more that it can tell you who you can have sex with.
It is not the place of government to enforce peoples religious beliefs.
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that's a valid point. you should amend the Constitution***
Sep 4, 2018, 3:56 PM
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Re: that's a valid point. you should amend the Constitution***
Sep 4, 2018, 4:00 PM
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Not necessary, it's already protected.
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for a few more days***
Sep 4, 2018, 4:11 PM
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actually it would give the responsiblity back to the STATES
Sep 4, 2018, 3:45 PM
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which is where it was before Roe.
Abortion would not be illegal...only governed by the States.
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it's because you don't really understand what...
Sep 4, 2018, 3:45 PM
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"small government" means to conservatives
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"limited" doesn't necessarily mean absolutely small***
Sep 5, 2018, 1:55 PM
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Do you think the government should be big enough
Sep 4, 2018, 3:47 PM
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to try to keep people from dismembering you?
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I've given up trying to reconcile how "conservatives" hold
Sep 4, 2018, 4:03 PM
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the position they do on this. On one hand, all life is valuable and must be protected. On the other hand, that baby you can't afford to take care of that I forced you to have? None of my tax dollars are going to support that thing. You shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place.
But then I remember all the people that use veterans as an excuse to be outraged by football players kneeling for the anthem, but don't actually care about the 50K homeless veterans on our streets in the least. The picture starts to come together.
Most of you don't actually care about fetuses. Some guy in church said you should, but if you can't think critically about what a life actually is, then you live in this impossibly stupid position. So, tell us...is a sperm a "life"? An egg? Why not? A fertilized egg? A fertilized egg implanted in a uterine wall? A 1 week old clump of cells? A what point does it have a soul? At what point do you mourn the death of that clump of cells? 3 weeks? 7 weeks? Does a 12 week old fetus carry the same value of life as a breathing, out-of-the-womb human?
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my son was born premature and spent weeks in the NICU
Sep 4, 2018, 4:16 PM
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When he was there, there were many other babies who weighed less than a pound. Many were on medicaid and had Hispanic last names.
As viewed my son in the isolette, and saw also the other tiny lives, I couldnt help but the think about the callous statements and immoral attitudes of those on the left would believe its OK to kill a young child.
And for the record, I'm a member of a liberal mainline denomination.
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Oh, so you're willing to contribute your tax dollars to
Sep 4, 2018, 4:23 PM
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expand social programs needed to support the extra mouths to feed. Cool. This was easier than I thought.
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What if I contribute large sums of money to private...
Sep 4, 2018, 4:29 PM
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charities that take care of needy people? Am I allowed then to believe that the Federal gov shouldn't have forced all states to legalize abortion?
What if I believe federal social programs live outside of the constitutionally defined role for the federal government and that those kinds of programs only belong at the state and local levels?
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so, you're saying your support for abortion is
Sep 4, 2018, 8:57 PM
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premised on folks not willing to pay for childcare for others?
that's one of the cruelest things i've ever heard. and you call conservatives Hitler?
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Always enjoy these 'states rights' arguments***
Sep 4, 2018, 7:09 PM
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Wasn't that the crux of the Roe decision?***
Sep 4, 2018, 8:55 PM
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I think you underestimate the comprehensive understanding...
Sep 4, 2018, 10:09 PM
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of the Bible which most Christians have. A verse which most Christian people know and understand well and is part of the fundamental teachings of Christianity.
Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
All three of your statements are your presumptions of what others think. You couldn't be more mistaken.
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For one, I don't think most conservatives think that
Sep 5, 2018, 1:52 PM
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For another, it's not hard at all to reconcile that preventing killing somebody doesn't commit you to financially supporting the person whose life you saved. That this would be hard for anybody to understand just speaks to how ideological and partisan the issue has become. You want to dismiss what you feel compelled to acknowledge because you don't like the crowd you think you'd be put in if you let yourself acknowledge it. What's more, you're trying to insert an irrelevant poison pill.
And that's not even getting into the problem with Roe as constitutional law.
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and....
Sep 4, 2018, 4:34 PM
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/absurd-argument-point-reached
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These people pretend like science ended in the 18th century***
Sep 5, 2018, 1:53 PM
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This will be interesting...
Sep 4, 2018, 5:56 PM
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Might play out this way:
Abortion is sent back to states to decide.
Republican states, which generally speaking, are some of the poorest states, will make abortion illegal. People with money, regardless of party, will either have the baby or go to a state where abortion is still legal. So the end result will be the poorest people in the poorest states having more babies. Probably a recipe for chaos but, oh well, we need to legislate morality.
Now obviously the cost of welfare will increase in these states. So maybe we let the states make the decision on welfare too, no more federal handouts free loading states. Now the people with money in the poor states can stop providing for the poor, which is drastically increasing in numbers, because people aren't going to stop fck1ing. This will lead social chaos, rioting, and a general break down of society in these states.
Meanwhile, states with abortion will see the beauty of Trumps border wall and redirect the money saved on supporting welfare in the poor states to building walls between their state and the poor states.
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Let me simplify your point for you....
Sep 4, 2018, 7:11 PM
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"All the transplant Yankees will go back home".
Hallelujah and congratulations, you just made the best case I've heard yet for banning abortion.
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Sure, won’t impact me. I’m just fine.***
Sep 4, 2018, 9:07 PM
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If you're against abortion, I'm fine with that
Sep 4, 2018, 8:06 PM
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I fully support your personal decision not to have one.
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so you also support the decision to murder children?***
Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM
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