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ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 8:46 AM
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They are asking if the committee will consider extenuating circumstances in a loss? Michigan's and Notre Dame's losses (2 pts in a monsoon) were mentioned. They are REALLY pushing their agenda. I had given them the benefit of the doubt until they started with this "good" loss bull crap. If a loss is not a loss, then what's the point of playing???
Brad Edwards said this on College Football Playoff:
The biggest challenge for the committee..."it's how they handle extenuating circumstances in a loss. A LOSS ISN'T ALWAYS A LOSS FOR EVERYBODY. Are they going to give Michigan credit because they should have won? Will they treat it as any other loss, or will they give them a little something back because of the way they lost? Notre Dame lost to Clemson in a monsoon by a two-point conversion." He also mentioned Ole Miss and bama, but I didn't get all of that.
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Re: ESPN: Will committee consider extenuating circumstances
Oct 20, 2015, 8:50 AM
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ND is lucky it was a monsoon. We could have beat them by 30 the way we shut down their offense for 3 quarters.
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Agree, but point is if the committee can throw out losses
Oct 20, 2015, 8:52 AM
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then this is nothing but a beauty contest. What a load of bull!
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You're missing the point
Oct 20, 2015, 9:05 AM
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Their point isn't that losses don't matter. It's that at the end of the season, the committee might have to consider how a team loses when they're comparing two 11-1 or 12-1 teams. This wouldn't be good for us, but it could be like TCU Baylor last year. If we drop one to either Miami or NC State, the committee could look at ND's loss to us as "not as bad" as our loss to Miami or NC State. Both would be on the road, but losing to a top 5-10 Clemson team isn't as bad as losing to unranked NC State.
They're also looking at the Michigan State win with a grain of salt. Suppose Utah runs the table or even has 1 loss in the Pac 12 and both Baylor and either Clemson or FSU win out. All three of those teams are in. Then, they could potentially have to decide between a 1 loss Alabama or 11-1 ND compared to an undefeated Michigan St.
Suppose Michigan St loses one game, but wins the B1G. I could easily see them getting left out then based purely off the Michigan win. The committee could see that as 1 1/2 losses. The ND loss to Clemson isn't as clear cut. In reality, it's a close loss on the road to a highly ranked team, which isn't as bad as either a loss at home or a loss to an unranked team.
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If you say so
Oct 20, 2015, 9:11 AM
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That is how I hope the committee sees it. However, ESPN is pushing their agenda, if you listen to B. Edwards. They are beginning now to try to build up some leverage in pushing for teams they want in the playoff. "If you say it enough times..."
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Re: You're missing the point
Oct 20, 2015, 6:05 PM
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Im a tiger through and through but if we lose a game we don't deserve to make the playoffs but if we don't lose we can't be left out.
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See it works. You have bought in already.***
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Re: don't forget Bama with the 5 TOs vs Ole Miss
Oct 20, 2015, 9:45 AM
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Agreed, without the turn overs it would have been a different game, Alabama should be credited with a win. They are Alabama after all.
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Re: don't forget Bama with the 5 TOs vs Ole Miss
Dec 22, 2015, 8:56 AM
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In no way did the other team cause the turnovers, I saw Bama 5 times just simply hand the ball to Swag Kelly and the Old #### team. This was just Bama's community service project for this year. Remember you only lose when you care about other people!
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Re: ESPN: Will committee consider extenuating circumstances
Oct 20, 2015, 9:08 AM
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Good loss may be an oxymoron, but there are losses that are worse than others. For example, Alabama's loss to Mississippi isn't as bad as Mississippi's loss to Memphis.
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Re: ESPN: Will committee consider extenuating circumstances
Oct 20, 2015, 10:28 AM
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Looks like that would make it worse
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Re: ESPN: Will committee consider extenuating circumstances
Oct 20, 2015, 7:21 PM
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> Good loss may be an oxymoron, but there are losses
> that are worse than others. For example, Alabama's
> loss to Mississippi isn't as bad as Mississippi's
> loss to Memphis.
Depends on how you look at it. Alabama got beat by a team that got throttled by Univ. of Memphis. Memphis!
I like my perspective the best. 
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It does seem unfair that only ND players
Oct 20, 2015, 8:52 AM
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Had to deal with the bad weather, and it was sunny and 77 degrees for Clemson players.
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Right - What Brad Edwards said was totally ridiculous
Oct 20, 2015, 9:00 AM
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I am hoping the committee looks at a loss for what it is--a loss. If not, this whole process is going to be a mess. I see chaos coming if 'extenuating circumstances' does indeed happen.
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I never side with ESPN....
Oct 20, 2015, 9:10 AM
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.... and I didn't see the show, but was he talking about losses against losses or losses against wins? If he was saying compare a 1 loss ND team (2 pt loss on the road in a monsoon to a playoff team) to let's say a 1 loss Oklahoma team (7 point loss at a neutral site to a crappy Texas team) or even a 1 loss Alabama team that got handled at home (and gave the game away time after time) by a mediocre Ole Miss team, then yes, I would say that they need to consider how the loss happened.
If they are saying a 1 loss ND should jump an undefeated or a 2 loss Michigan should jump a 1 loss team, then I want whatever he's smoking because it's got to be good!
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Here is what Brad Edwards said..
Oct 20, 2015, 9:28 AM
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The biggest challenge for the committee..."it's how they handle extenuating circumstances in a loss. A LOSS ISN'T ALWAYS A LOSS FOR EVERYBODY. Are they going to give Michigan credit because they should have won? Will they treat it as any other loss, or will they give them a little something back because of the way they lost. Notre Dame lost to Clemson in a monsoon by a two-point conversion." He also mentioned Ole Miss, but I didn't get all of that.
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Re: Right - What Brad Edwards said was totally ridiculous
Oct 20, 2015, 9:16 AM
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How about this? If FSU loses in a close game to us in Clemson and then drubs the Gators who go on to beat the Tide or LSU and win the SEC, should they be in consideration for a spot in the playoffs? If the committee had to decide between them and a 1 loss Michigan St., who won their conference, but lost late in the year on the road to unranked Penn St., and should have lost earlier in the season to Michigan, should they discount the Michigan win? Otherwise, it's a 1 loss conference champ vs a 1 loss conference runner up.
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ND Should Play ACC Atlantic Runner Up Championship Weekend
Oct 20, 2015, 12:33 PM
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Have the option - to give both teams an extra quality game to help make the playoffs. In practice, FSU loses to Clemson, beats UF who wins the SEC, then plays ND since they missed the ACC Championship game.
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Re: ESPN: Apparently losses are not really losses any more
Oct 20, 2015, 9:04 AM
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Yes, yes he did.
But he's a coot, so . . . .
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Yes, Losses are losses
Oct 20, 2015, 9:20 AM
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unless you are Ohio State, Stanford or any SEC team, then surely you had some extraordinary turn of events that was beyond your control that led to your defeat, it can't possibly be that the other team was just better, that could never happen. I turned it when I saw the jackazz with a one loss Stanford team ranked ahead of Clemson.
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Re: Yes, Losses are losses
Oct 20, 2015, 9:26 AM
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To be fair to the CFP Committee, OSU's loss was to open the season. They went on a 12-game win streak after that and obliterated a fairly good Wisconsin team in their conference championship game. Then they won the playoff, pretty much confirming their right to be in it. No?
There's a difference between losing early in the season and righting the ship compared to losing later, exposing your team as not as good as people thought.
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Re: Yes, Losses are losses
Oct 20, 2015, 10:33 AM
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I was thinking if OSU lost a game this year, the committee would find a way to justify it to keep them in the playoff. Also, a loss is a loss, early or late they should be taken into consideration. If they aren't, why even play the games? We could just say that the more popular teams that everyone is familiar with all take turns going to the playoffs and the rest of us just hope for an invite to the peach bowl.
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Spin it anyway you want too but that ONE on the loss
Dec 22, 2015, 9:15 AM
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side of the ledger means the same thing. You LOST.
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Re: This is not coot Brad Edwards, it's Bama Brad Edwards.
Oct 20, 2015, 5:03 PM
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He's coot-ish. I know he's not a scar grad, but a coot is a coot.
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Does that mean Clemson should get extra credit for
Oct 20, 2015, 9:34 AM
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winning by 2 points in a monsoon?
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You would think, but NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oct 20, 2015, 9:38 AM
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In order for Edwards to have made any sense whatsoever, you would have to assume he implied ND would win 10 out of 10 in good weather. The only reason we beat them was they had to play in a monsoon.
Go figure.
What a coot.
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ESPiN????????
Oct 20, 2015, 9:35 AM
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Michigan has 2 losses - both at home. They more than likely will not win their division.
Notre Dame doesn't play a conference championship game.
ESPiN has an agenda.
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 10:06 AM
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ND didn't lose to Clemson-those idiots rate that as a win for ND. They played in a rain storm. We played them with blue shies overhead. The whole concept was laughable. Dismiss losses for some teams, penalize others. Michigan choked, folded like a lawn chair, just simple blew it. We struggled on the road against Louisville, yet other teams get credit for a tough road win.
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 10:14 AM
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The more we win, the more sensitive and intolerable our fringe fans get. If we lose to Miami in OT on a bad call, but blast everyone on our schedule, and Miami finishes strong... that would be a "good" loss. Having beaten FSU and the Coastal champ, we'd be in the conversation in December. No one is out to get you. Imagine being a TCU or Baylor fan.
Take the tin foil off your heads and enjoy this ride.
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Fringe fan? If you want to call a fan of 36 years fringe...
Oct 20, 2015, 10:24 AM
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then OK.
When an ESPN reporter says, "A loss isn't always a loss for everybody." it's concerning.
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Re: Fringe fan? If you want to call a fan of 36 years fringe...
Oct 20, 2015, 10:27 AM
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> then OK.
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> When an ESPN reporter says, "A loss isn't always a
> loss for everybody." it's concerning.
And if we're the eventual beneficiary of that attitude (like we have been in bowl selection a dozen times), everyone will rejoice.
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Re: Fringe fan? If you want to call a fan of 36 years fringe...
Oct 20, 2015, 10:29 AM
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Yeah we really got a break last ? Good grief
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Re: Fringe fan? If you want to call a fan of 36 years fringe...
Oct 20, 2015, 10:40 AM
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Raise your hand if you remember a 6-5 clemson team going to the Peach bowl over an 8 win GT team. An 8 win Clemson team going to the Peach over an ncsu team that beat us head to head and had a similar record? Went to a better bowl than BC 3 years where they beat us H2H and had a better season? There's no one on our schedule last year that we beat who went to a better bowl than us.
GameDay has visited us twice in a season. They've been here a lot in general.
Win and we're in... lose one in the fashion beat to death in this conversation, and our name is still in the hat.
Reeeellaaaaxxxx.
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Did you accuse someone of being a Fringe fan?
Oct 20, 2015, 11:07 AM
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How old are you, son.
There was a day when bowl committees broke backs to get Clemson. Contracts were written to favor us because we were given break on our losses? Are you friggin kidding me?
Son, our fans traveled. The only favors we've ever gotten were because Clemson Fans would spend the holidays and a ton of two-dollar bills in Florida when our conference mates went to grandmaws.
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Re: Did you accuse someone of being a Fringe fan?
Oct 20, 2015, 11:33 AM
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> How old are you, son.
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> There was a day when bowl committees broke backs to
> get Clemson. Contracts were written to favor us
> because we were given break on our losses? Are you
> friggin kidding me?
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> Son, our fans traveled. The only favors we've ever
> gotten were because Clemson Fans would spend the
> holidays and a ton of two-dollar bills in Florida
> when our conference mates went to grandmaws.
Yep, Gameday coming twice last year, and giving us a free 3 hour nationwide promotion, had everything to do with our traveling fans right?
Not everyone is out to get you, deprive you, overlook you... you create your own success.
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Re: Did you accuse someone of being a Fringe fan?
Oct 20, 2015, 11:40 AM
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> The only favors we've ever
> gotten were because Clemson Fans would spend the
> holidays and a ton of two-dollar bills..
Btw, better call ESPN and Musberger for the stadium & Hill whiparound. They must've forgotten no one is allowed to do us favors.
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If they want to give ND credit for only losing by 2, I'm
Oct 20, 2015, 11:04 AM
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fine with that, also Michigan has 2 losses now. Clemson keeps winning, and ND keeps winning, that's fine by me if they bump ND up a little higher.
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I'm sick of everyone saying Notre Dame was a 2pt
Oct 20, 2015, 11:08 AM
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conversion away from winning. They would have only TIED the game. These people are idiots.
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Oct 20, 2015, 12:34 PM
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There are ESPN analysts already hyping Alabama
Oct 20, 2015, 11:24 AM
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as a playoff team regardless of their earlier loss.
Those same individuals did the same thing last year.
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 11:44 AM
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And everyoneg gets participation trophies, smdh, Go Tigers!
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 11:44 AM
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The main thing about the ND loss - is that as long as we keep winning, it doesn't make that loss look as bad. People are starting to realize we're legit and the home field advantage in Death Valley is as tough as it gets.
Still though, ND fans refuse to accept they were beaten by a better team. Last night on my way home from work, a guy had called into Packer and was saying how "we (ND) won the 4th quarter" and Packer ended it with "yea, but you lost the first 3". And we came up with big stops when we needed to - we were playing not to lose and that's exactly what we did. They're a great team, no doubt - but we just happened to be better.
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 11:48 AM
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ESPN is getting what they want...lots of eyeballs based on stirring the pot and reinforcing the 'conspiracy theories' held of them.
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 12:19 PM
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They are doing this for Saban ., He will pitch a hissy fit if Alabama is left out .,
I bet he pitched one when he saw old miss lose ., again
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 12:26 PM
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Someone alert the brass at ESPN that someone just now accidentally put DW on the NCAAF front page next to (gasp) LSU and Bama players. Even had the nerve to say CU-FSU is a playoff elimination game. Clearly a mistake bc they have an agenda against us.
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I don't really think they have singled out Clemson
Oct 20, 2015, 4:34 PM
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But, if you think they don't try to influence the final four teams, you are naive, or haven't paid attention. I stand by that saying, "A loss isn't always a loss for everybody," is a dangerous statement without qualifiers.
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JUST WIN........................Period!
Oct 20, 2015, 4:39 PM
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Focus on the present.........Right Dabo?.......Right!
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i thought this was already covered
Oct 20, 2015, 5:02 PM
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lose early and it's OK, lose late and it's the worst loss in history.
what am i missing?
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Nobody remembers last year ... ???
Oct 20, 2015, 8:26 PM
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Yes - the committee looks at the "overall body of work" which means your loss is going to be graded for style. And - mark this down - they learned some lessons about keeping FSU at #1 all year, when they shouldn't have been. The same applies to OU this year. If they do their job, no way they list OU at #1. We'll see if they're legit. I'm not buying it.
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Didn't Brad play for Usuck?***
Oct 20, 2015, 8:44 PM
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:Didn't Brad play for Usuck?***Never heard of "Bama Brad"?***
Oct 20, 2015, 8:47 PM
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 9:51 PM
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The committee already proved they will overlook a bad loss for "certain" teams.
Ohio State had no business in the playoffs.... They lost to a bad VT team.
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Oct 20, 2015, 11:08 PM
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That's true. I just never thought ESPN would get bold enough to actually say that a 'loss isn't always a loss for everybody.'
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Nov 4, 2015, 12:31 PM
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That seed was planted weeks ago, but only certain teams get the loss due to circumstance pass. We were ripped for getting by Louisville when the fact is, we played a Saturday game and then had to turn around, travel and play them Thursday night. We lost over 1000 yards of production from our best receiver, due to injury, yet this is rarely mentioned.
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I guess Clemson played in sunny 77 degree...
Nov 4, 2015, 12:33 PM
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on Oct 3 against ND???? Also, that game was just as close to being a blowout as it did ending up close due to a late ND run. Artavis catches that TD pass and it is 28-3 and OVER! Unfortunately he did not and ND grabbed some late momentum. However, they still LOST!
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That's why it's great that espn bozos are not on the
Nov 4, 2015, 1:08 PM
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committee.
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Athletic Dir [866]
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Nov 4, 2015, 1:14 PM
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"If losses don't matter, why play the games." Only thing I ever heard Lee Corso say that made sense. Go Tigers!
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Dec 22, 2015, 5:51 AM
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The thought that a loss could be considered acceptable or " good " is totally erroneous, and anyone that believes otherwise needs help removing their head from their own Spurrier .
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Re: ESPN: "A LOSS isn't always a LOSS for EVERYBODY"
Dec 22, 2015, 7:44 AM
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Why are you responding to a thread that started two months ago?
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Oculus Spirit [75683]
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Hey, you did the same thing!***
Dec 22, 2015, 8:31 AM
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Rock Defender [53]
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So did you!***
Dec 22, 2015, 9:02 AM
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Espinheads are still grieving losing their predictions - LET
Dec 22, 2015, 8:59 AM
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IT GO, you were wrong, it is over, now stand up and admit it: CLEMSON IS A GREAT TEAM! Or will it take a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? Also, Brad Edwards is a former coot is he not?
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CU Medallion [61617]
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Life is so much better when you don't give E$PN any
Dec 22, 2015, 9:15 AM
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credence .... like listening to BHO, Josh Earnest, and Hillary Clinton.
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