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For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:18 AM
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Numbers don’t lie. By next Sunday we will likely be where Italy is today
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:28 AM
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If we consider Italy has less than 20% the population of the United States (~60 million vs 330 millions), the numbers suggest we are doing a much better job
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:33 AM
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The gap will widen exponentially the next week.
I’m constantly surprised how many people don’t understand exponential modeling.
Y’all know that US had the worst testing capabilities per capita in developed countries, right? Numbers are about to explode now that we’re up to a respectable number of tests as of yesterday
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There’s also a TON of people that are asymptotic
Mar 21, 2020, 11:37 AM
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That numbers will never show. Get off your numbers high horse, bud!!!!! Data is not accurate. No point in speculating it one way or the other. Amazing how many people think they are experts just by reviewing what others are showing on a small sample size. There is nothing accurate right now. Just keep freaking out and the rest of us will stay calm and do our “part”.
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Re: There’s also a TON of people that are asymptotic
Mar 21, 2020, 11:40 AM
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True, one thing epidemiologists always say about pandemics is that you should’bt ever look at numbers or trends. Just go off “gut feel”, stay calm, and everything will work itself out magically
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I’m not developing a vaccine so can do nothing else other
Mar 21, 2020, 11:45 AM
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Than try to avoid getting Covid 19 and passing to others. Sounds like you probably have a nuclear bomb shelter in your back yard, so maybe just go in there, turn off your internet, and eat your spam. I’m worried about your blood pressure with all your anxiety. Stay safe!!
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Re: I’m not developing a vaccine so can do nothing else other
Mar 21, 2020, 11:47 AM
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Quite the opposite, I’m one of the few people that hasn’t had my incomes interrupted at all. I’m also young and healthy. I also got my PhD from Clemson in 2012 and am embarrassed, but not completely surprised, by the lack of intelligence by many on these boards.
Not that you guys should be experts on infectious disease, anatomy, or mathematical modeling, but come on... read a book sometime
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One of the few? I would assume the majority on here
Mar 21, 2020, 11:53 AM
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Has not had their income interrupted. You are definitely THAT guy right now though. Embarrassed of my school that has PhD graduates that can’t control their emotions on a message board. You should get another degree so you have even more to brag about, and use your genius elsewhere!!!
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Re: One of the few? I would assume the majority on here
May 5, 2020, 12:36 PM
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I’m sorry MM23. I accidentally TD’d your post while intending to TD the embarrassingly idiotic arrogant prik post above yours.
My apologies and I TU’d a couple of your other posts to make up for it.
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We know bob science is sorcery
Mar 21, 2020, 7:37 PM
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These scientists and experts just make this stuff up. SMH It’s a fake news right???
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Re: We know bob science is sorcery
Mar 21, 2020, 8:29 PM
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Shouldn’t we be underwater with super hurricanes hitting us everyday while the population explosion has billions of people starving by now? #science
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Re: I’m not developing a vaccine so can do nothing else other
Mar 21, 2020, 9:06 PM
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I understand that not everyone can be an expert in everything, but what amazes me constantly, is some people's unwillingness to listen to or trust the people who are experts.
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Re: I’m not developing a vaccine so can do nothing else other
May 5, 2020, 3:34 PM
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Who are the experts
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Whoever the MSM tells us are the "experts." We must "follow the
May 6, 2020, 6:28 PM
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science" but only the science that fills in their narrative of billions dead in 2 days.
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Testing
May 6, 2020, 6:06 PM
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Need more testing to stop the spread. Testing has increased. OMG there are more cases. Need to test everybody every day. Not possible. Never will be possible. Democrats are stupid and trying to destroy USA.
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If I don't understand it - it can't be real***
Mar 21, 2020, 9:07 PM
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you should have taken more science classes in college***
Mar 22, 2020, 8:00 AM
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Re: There’s also a TON of people that are asymptotic
Mar 21, 2020, 11:45 AM
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It’s not that people are asymptomatic, it’s that the incubation period is so long they haven’t started showing symptoms YET. Big difference.
When you contract the flu virus and you haven’t gotten sick yet, you don’t tell people you are asymptomatic
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Re: There’s also a TON of people that are asymptotic
Mar 21, 2020, 1:55 PM
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https://cnycentral.com/news/local/experts-explain-being-asymptomatic-and-the-possibility-of-testing-positive-for-coronavirus Experts explain being asymptomatic and the possibility of testing positive for Coronavirus The symptoms all experts are telling you to look out for when it comes to the Coronavirus are coughing, getting a fever, and shortness of breath. However Dr. Lynne Humphrey says it's likely people are going about their daily routines not showing any symptoms, but are still carrying the Coronavirus. "That particular concern is very real, especially for younger, healthier folks. Again, you may be carrying the virus even though you're not feeling sick," said Dr. Humphrey, M. D.
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Re: There’s also a TON of people that are asymptotic
Mar 21, 2020, 8:35 PM
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You are casting your pearls before a bunch of trump loving swine who don’t believe in science, evolution or facts. They just believe what fits their narrative and satisfies their expectations
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Typical Lib response. Resort to name calling.
Mar 24, 2020, 9:54 AM
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I believe in TRUTH. My world view doesn't change but FAKE science changes everyday. I will respect your opinion but I don't have to agree with it and vise versa.
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Re: There’s also a TON of people that are asymptotic
Mar 21, 2020, 9:02 PM
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Yeah, money ! Whenever I am faced with a complex situation, the first thing I do is throw out the damm data ! What a crock !!
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All I was saying is there are way more people infected
Mar 22, 2020, 6:58 AM
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Than what the data is showing, so just to follow guidelines set out by the CDC and let the experts in the medical/pharma field do their jobs. The only objective of the original post is to use incomplete data because it is being reported differently in every country. I do trust people with more knowledge of this pandemic, not clickbait fear articles. Stay safe and do anything you can to keep your family safe as well. Panicking will get you nowhere.
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Assuming exponential growth Goes on indefinitely
Mar 21, 2020, 11:55 AM
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Is incorrect. None of the numbers in any country have continued along the exponential route for very long. If they did Italy would be in the astronomical numbers by now since they are a decent amount of days ahead of us.
I’ve seen several experts on twitter recently pushing back against the indefinite exponential assumptions.
Also as far as our daily lives what do the numbers really matter? The important thing is that the hospitals have everything they need and we just stay home and don’t contribute to the problem.
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Well said***
Mar 21, 2020, 12:14 PM
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 8:31 PM
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Plus it will show the mortality rate to be much lower so we can quit freaking out.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 2:13 PM
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I am constantly surprised how many people do not understand the more cases that exist and are asymptomatic or negligible symptoms with no treatment needed, the more it proves the point that they are fear mongering and do not even understand the virus at the most basic level and actually enjoy pushing fear into others.
This would mean the coronavirus is far more common and far less deadly than presently thought. And that a certain amount of herd immunity exists in the country. The data from other countries doesn’t support the idea it is going to kill millions. Figuring out how many people in the American public, both symptomatic & asymptomatic, have the coronavirus is massively important because we can't make smart public policy without it. Your comments and posts are just really poorly thought out and not accurate. Read the data, "read a book".
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 9:48 PM
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This , above,is the most accurate post here . .the facts.
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Please allow me to translate
Mar 21, 2020, 9:10 PM
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I don't like what you are saying so fucck you !
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 7:46 PM
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I believe it's been here longer than we realize. There's just been no testing. I've had employee's, family and friends who've been been sick for weeks. Fever, breathing problems, body aches, dry coughs and more. Repeatedly they'd be tested for for the flu and the results would comeback negative.
The really confusing thing was they'd improve and then relapse. What a strange time for us all...
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With all of those symptoms they should be able to get
Mar 22, 2020, 7:43 AM
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tested now. The advantage of knowing that you are positive is that you won't go out and possibly infect someone. Whereas if your symptoms are really mild and go away you are sure you don't have it and are not contagious and go to the store, work etc.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 22, 2020, 9:38 AM
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The virus is not alive....viruses are not living organisms...never confuse opinions with Scientific Method...they don't work together! The epidemiology of this disease is fixed by different living and associations of people in different countries...Italy is completely different from the United States...China is radically different from both! Vectors, transmission, infection and cure rates depend on many variables that we don't have a handle on yet! For sure as stated below the China press and medical personnel were restricted in the ability to report this disease...cases might have occurred all the way back to September! When this is fixed and we have a good timeline we can look back and make the right corrections...all you Trump haters thank your lucky stars that we have a real president instead of a community organizer (almost lawyer) with microencephalopathy! Go look at a google earth satellite view of Wuhan...about 200 miles west of Shanghai...if you were looking to spread a disease...sprawling cities of China would be a great place to start!
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 6:10 PM
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That's interesting...too bad up here in NC (which has twice the positive tests and deaths than SC), the# of tests have been going up, but the % of positive tests are going exactly the opposite, down.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:29 AM
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We don't need negativism right now. Where do you get your information ?
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:34 AM
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Data came from Johns Hopkins. You not like facts?
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:29 AM
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Italy has 60 million people we have 330 million. Our rates of infection and deaths are much closer to South Korea. The infection rate is climbing fast because we are testing in mass now Be ready for a faster rate this week
Italy has a mortality rate of 3.7 we are at 1.4.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:38 AM
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“The infection date is climbing faster because we’re testing better”. Lol, no the infection rate was already climbing fast, we’re just now able to track it slightly better than a week ago when no one could get a test other than NBA players.
True Italy’s mortality rate is high because they have a higher % of >65 citizens due to decreasing birth rate. That and they all live with their families instead of nursing homes so they caught it faster than our older citizens have.
At this rate we should be passing China’s infected number in ~9-12 days
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:49 AM
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Don't even begin to think we got the true numbers on the Kung Fu Flu from China!
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 8:33 PM
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You think Red China would lie?
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Nothing worse than a know it all academic
Mar 21, 2020, 1:31 PM
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That’s never had a real job.
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Re: Nothing worse than a know it all academic
Mar 21, 2020, 7:58 PM
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Bruh, no one said I was an Academic. Just that I have PhD that gave me a high paying job in industry. You shouldn't crap on Clemson graduates that actually have degrees from the school they are a fan of
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Re: Nothing worse than a know it all academic
Mar 21, 2020, 8:34 PM
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Do you make people at work call you Doctor?
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Re: Nothing worse than a know it all academic
May 5, 2020, 6:14 PM
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You have "a PhD" and still use the word bruh like a high schooler? That's about all I needed to know.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 2:06 PM
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Italy has 60 million people we have 330 million. Our rates of infection and deaths are much closer to South Korea. The infection rate is climbing fast because we are testing in mass now Be ready for a faster rate this week
Italy has a mortality rate of 3.7 we are at 1.4.
First, Italy has a mortality rate of 8.6% (4032 divided by 47,021). Second, the reason that the infection rate is climbing in the U.S. is that more people are being infected. We are waaay behind the curb on this thing. We have no idea how many infected there are. But we do know that however many there are, they're infecting others.
This thing could get way, way out of hand. There is no excuse for not having millions of test kits in the U.S. by now.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 8:36 PM
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If you knew what the correct reagent was for this virus you should have told someone months ago so they could have made millions of test kits.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:32 AM
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Another huge factor is our health care system is a yellofa lot better than Italy's.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:35 AM
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SAD. THEY CONYINUUE TO WACH FOX AND BURY THEIR HEADS.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:40 AM
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Might want to work on your spelling first before you start spreading fake news.
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Re: I don't believe you.***
Mar 21, 2020, 12:55 PM
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His numbers are pretty much correct, he just doesn’t factor in opioid crisis , gang violence, poor diets,drug and alcohol abuse that is prevalent in this country. It is not all about health care as much as life style.
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Its a little more involved than that
Mar 21, 2020, 9:17 PM
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The better health care performance of a number of nations involves more than just life expectancy.
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Re: I don't believe you.***
May 6, 2020, 5:23 PM
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There are a lot of overweight people in the usa. I was shocked that the new normal is obese.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 2:18 PM
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Yep. But Italy is an extreme outlier if you look at the data. Even for neighboring countries in Europe.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 8:52 PM
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Italy is no where near as ready for this according to the New York Times they show Italy with 3000 ventilators one for every 20000 citizens We have 160000 or one for every 2000 citizens. Overall ratings don’t mean crap.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 22, 2020, 9:53 AM
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True, that’s what doctors are saying in NY
“We have plenty of ventilators and resources. No one is concerned about lack of resources needed to take care of these patients as the number of infected increases every day”
Source—No one ever
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Well duh . . .
Mar 21, 2020, 11:34 AM
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Last I saw the population of Italy was ~66.5 million . . . While the USA was ~330 million . . .
Not saying you aren't correct . . . But if Indead numbers don't lie . . . and we're equal in our endeavors to limit this virus . . . We should have ~5x the number of cases . . .
On the bright side . . . Paper towels and toilet paper were available for purchase this morning . . . 1 package of each per household . . . Woo hoo!!! Life's simple pleasures are wonderful!!!
Touché to midnight rider! He must be younger and more 'reputer nimble than me!
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Re: Well duh . . .
Mar 21, 2020, 11:39 AM
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In 9 days we very may well. The graph started when both countries were at 100 cases. US passed Italy about halfway through and will continue to widen the gap over the next week
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Re: Well duh . . .
Mar 21, 2020, 11:49 AM
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Keep reading that we are ten days behind Italy. US death rate is currently and thankfully less than a tenth of what the Italian death rate was ten days ago... But you keep fighting whatever fight you are trying to and trying to scare people for whatever reason... I know, numbers are hard 
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Re: Well duh . . .
Mar 21, 2020, 11:54 AM
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Italy’s death rate grew when they ran out of ventilators and had to start making choices on who to keep alive. Our hospitals will have similar choices soon based on recent numbers and hospital reports.
Again, death rate isn’t everything. If you get in a car accident and lose your legs, do you come back to work on Monday and say you’re fine?
Likewise, if you get hospitalized (current rate is 20% across all ages) get scar tissue on your lungs, incur a $5-10,000 bill (assuming insured), and then go back to your lack of a job. That’s good?
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Re: Well duh . . .
Mar 21, 2020, 11:59 AM
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I know, how dare I throw provable facts into the conversation, using real numbers! The absurdity!
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority https://trib.al/fxmQq5E
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Italy was much healthier than the US
Mar 21, 2020, 12:54 PM
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That’s why they live five years longer. We already had epidemics of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease that other countries don’t experience.
But he’s right. In Italy when they ran low on ventilators, patients over 80 didn’t receive them. As their cases rise, that age threshold is being lowered so the patients with the best chance of recovery get priority.
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Hey Skeeta!
Mar 21, 2020, 12:05 PM
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What are we gonna do without our Braves?
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No, that not how it works
Mar 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
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Exponential model, in kindergarten terms:
Patient 0 = 1 patient
Patient 0 spreads infection to 1 over some period = 2 patients
Those 2 spread to 1 each = 4 patients
etc.
If people didn’t move around the country and world so easily, the total population wouldn’t affect the rate at all.
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Re: No, that not how it works
Mar 21, 2020, 2:24 PM
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And in 33 steps the infected population is more than the number of people in the world. It can't go on indefinitely.
One of the big questions is "What is the real numerator" in these ratios? With the apparently large number of asymptomatic people, the death rate per infections can only be estimated. Death rate per confirmed infection is larger number.
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Re: No, that not how it works
Mar 21, 2020, 8:02 PM
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Clearly it won't go on forever. But does it HAVE to in order for this to be serious? This isn't going to grow exponentially until 300M people are infected. But if it grows exponentially until 0.3% of our population (1M) are infected, then our medical system would still be wrecked with 10s of thousands likely dead before Fall.
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Of course not
Mar 21, 2020, 9:44 PM
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Even if everyone eventually became infected, the rate couldn't continue the whole way with the same time constant. Later in the process, an infected patient may encounter the same number of people, but doesn't infect them all because some are already infected, recovered, or resistant.
Nobody argues that the infection grows exponentially forever. You are just missing the point.
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Since this topic isn't about Clemson sports -- or Clemson in
Mar 21, 2020, 11:50 AM
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general -- why don't you take your fear mongering to another board?
TIA in advance
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Re: Since this topic isn't about Clemson sports -- or Clemson in
Mar 21, 2020, 11:50 AM
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It is about Clemson sports.
Because some of you guys still think football is happening this fall. Yeesh
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Don't see that in your OP...
Mar 21, 2020, 11:55 AM
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also, bookmarked this for future reference.
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Re: Don't see that in your OP...
Mar 21, 2020, 11:58 AM
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Good. Please vote for this being in the HOF next week when we reach 200k
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Maybe you should run along -- they probably miss you over on
Mar 21, 2020, 12:09 PM
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the CNN and MSNBC discussion boards
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Re: Don’t argue - bob ..... he has a ......
Mar 21, 2020, 2:25 PM
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In what kind of "_______ Studies"?
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:50 AM
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Numbers don’t lie. By next Sunday we will likely be where Italy is today
They just means we will be peaking earlier. Also we are testing more than Italy right now. Use some logic bro!
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 11:57 AM
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Yeah because we took 500,000 kids from them on Wednesday. Figured I’d give you a link you’d trust
www.foxnews.com/us/air-force-flew-500000-coronavirus-test-kits.amp
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 12:09 PM
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500,000 kids ?? Why would we take 500,000 kids ??!?
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I guess to take the place of all the older adults we're
Mar 21, 2020, 12:11 PM
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bound to loose .. like planting new trees?
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 12:11 PM
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You are the dumbest mother ###### with a PHD I have ever seen.
We already had a ton infected but our testing bandwidth of now 40k per day is making our numbers go up. Testing is showing that a ton of people are infected but the death rate is slowing down. I bet way more than 47k in Italy are infected. Same with China, same with us. Look at Germany with 21k cases but a death rate under 0.5 percent.
#### and go watch a movie or something.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 8:03 PM
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Considering most people are dying 1-2 weeks after contracting the virus, why would they be dead now? Check back in 2 weeks with that mortality rate
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We ain't Italy and we won't be Italy...
Mar 21, 2020, 12:09 PM
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The increase in US infections was/is expected but unlike Italy, we are also seeing a corresponding drop in our mortality rate (we started at 2.0% last week and have dropped to 1.3% as of today). Who knows, we could see our mortality rate drop to below 1% as we identify more infections. Bottom line is that Italy's mortality rate has steadily increased with their infections. We are two different countries with different cultures, different medical capabilities etc... So I would not use Italy as some baseline for what is going to happen in the USA.
Finally, not to sound crass, but I don't care what any other country's COVID-19 numbers are. The ONLY numbers that matter to me are the USA numbers because it is the only numbers I ultimately trust. Let's all take a breath and see where we are at at the end of next week...
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Either the OP is the
Mar 21, 2020, 12:28 PM
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Son of Eeyore and Chicken Little, or sleeps each night in a Holiday Inn Express...or both. Regardless, 'it' is one of the most negative, 'woe is us' types ever witnessed on these boreds. A pathetic representation of the American spirit, for sure.
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Re: We ain't Italy and we won't be Italy...
Mar 21, 2020, 1:50 PM
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Wouldn’t the death rate not be accurate until the patient has actually recovered? If 5,000 cases were added at this moment then the death rate would go down right away. However, that’s assuming that none of those 5,000 would end up dying from the virus before recovering.
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Re: We ain't Italy and we won't be Italy...
Mar 21, 2020, 6:54 PM
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Wouldn’t the death rate not be accurate until the patient has actually recovered? If 5,000 cases were added at this moment then the death rate would go down right away. However, that’s assuming that none of those 5,000 would end up dying from the virus before recovering.
It's all a snapshot in time - the mortality rate is just as accurate as the recovery rate at a specific moment in time. If you ain't dead you get counted as living - simple as that. Of note, Italy has never had a drop in their death rate it has done nothing but steadily climb. The USA is on an opposite trend - as we have confirmed more infections our mortality rate is actually dropping - let's all pray that continues.
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Re: We ain't Italy and we won't be Italy...
Mar 21, 2020, 8:06 PM
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Don't try to argue math with them. They think that because we are finally able to start testing and have gotten 18,000 new cases in the last 3 days, that the corresponding "drop in mortality rate" is a good thing. As if that means anything.
Patients are dying 1-2 weeks after contracting the virus, not instantaneously. The death rate lags behind the infected rate, so it will be lower than the true value until the infected rate levels off from exponential growth. At that point, mortality rate will increase until it too levels off and we have a true value.
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glad there is always this person to bring everyone down
Mar 21, 2020, 12:52 PM
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That's what we've become so good at these days! Bringing each other down!
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Actually no.
Mar 21, 2020, 12:54 PM
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First ,Italy is not the US, they are a South American type chithole masquerading as a European Nation.Second US hospitals started dispensing the Malaria drug drug last week,while libtards were shouting about another 6 months of testing.
BIG Pharma has been busted bigtime. They've known for 70- years that chloroquine would would suffice for the common cold,flu and various other illnesses. Very inexpensive drug,not huge profits for them, they pay $$$$ to our congressmen to protect them
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Not to burst your bubble
Mar 21, 2020, 1:05 PM
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but the malaria drug is probably not the answer. If you want to try it, drink some tonic water as long as it doesn’t interfere with other medication. But seriously, it’s not safe for some with other conditions common to older people, like heart arrhythmia.
It was hyped in a Fox News piece that Trump saw and he ran with before asking anyone with real knowledge. Most of the Fox News types saw Trump hype it, then completely missed the expert correct him seconds later on the same stage and the FDA correct him minutes later in a press release.
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They don't actually know that
Mar 21, 2020, 2:25 PM
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They are using it, there are good results. They don't know if the quinine is the cause of the good results. Without a controlled test, they don't know if it was the quinine or some other common factor in the group. If you were around during the HIV crisis in the 80s, you would remember all the supposed miracle cures that turned out to be nothing. Not saying it didn't help those patients, just saying we don't really know yet.
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Re: They don't actually know that
Mar 21, 2020, 8:25 PM
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OK, so if you had the virus and the malaria drug was available, would you ask them to wait until after the "controlled" test?
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The concern is wasting time on a large scale
Mar 21, 2020, 10:02 PM
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Any doctor can prescribe most medicines off-label. That's what they've been doing. Quinine was a candidate because of that in vitro research 15 years ago, so it was a good idea to try it. I wish more people would listen to the infectious disease expert in those daily briefings.
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Re: The concern is wasting time on a large scale
Mar 24, 2020, 9:27 AM
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This drug and Losartan are being used in a large controlled study at the University of Minnesota right now and have already been studied in several trials...the 'quinines' are on the treatment list in China right now and the 'compassionate use' protochol is available to all physicians in the United States for at least a week! Some antivirals are being studied by the NIH but those well controlled clinical trials will be finished about the time everyone in NY is dead! Scientific method sometimes must be thrown out the window...the Quinines are safe...especially the newer synthetic ones...and Losartan has been used effectively for BP for 20+ years and is void of major side effects...we will know soon and we'll get over this one! Israel is letting the younger healthy folks get subclinical cases and protecting the compromised to allow 'immunity'...it will be a long time before a vaccine is available...if you've cleared the virus you are probably already immune! Bugs have smaller bugs..upon their backs they bit em...and smaller bugs have smaller bugs and so ad infinitum!
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Yawn! I try to stay as apolitical as I can but that did not originate in
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FOX news source. It originated from data that we are just getting to the bottom of from China, SK, Italy. You’re an idiot for even saying that.
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Fact is, Trump only heard about it from FOX "News"
Mar 21, 2020, 9:48 PM
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Call me an idiot all you want, but you know the truth too (because you obviously aren't an idiot).
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He may be swayed by it I wouldn’t doubt that but I’d like to think
Mar 21, 2020, 10:19 PM
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He gets briefed that in intelligence first. What I didn’t like about him announcing it was that 30 minutes later my brother, a pharmacist, couldn’t even buy it from his warehouse anymore. More upsetting is that morning a doctor 20 miles away from me had his partner write a prescription for plaquenil and azithromycin for his entire family. On the same level to me or worse than the congressmen selling stocks if it turns out they somehow did it on their own or tipped off their broker
And it was pretty low brow of me to call you an idiot. For that I apologize. I did what I despise when others do. Maybe I’m naive but I just don’t think he lays that out there from a Fox News article when it was available before that article to others. And I’d like to think he’s hearing about it in intel.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 12:54 PM
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One thing that caused the virus to hit Italy faster than other western countries is all the kissing they do as part of their culture. We had dinner with some friends in Italy last year and the father of the family grabbed me and kissed me on the cheek when we left. Believe me, I'm not into kissing other men, but that's what they do.
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It’s ok to admit you are wrong in voting for Trump
Mar 21, 2020, 2:27 PM
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I voted for him and I was wrong. People don’t want to admit they were wrong. We all deserve someone that is not a pathological liar. That is stable and rational.
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Re: It’s ok to admit you are wrong in voting for Trump
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You mean like Hillary! She isn't a liar ...... just can't remember anything!
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Re: It’s ok to admit you are wrong in voting for Trump
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Why she is presidential material...just eats blackberries and lies about her 'husband'....Vince Foster did not die of coronavirus and Jeffery really hung himself! The Clintons have more associations with dead folks than OBama has with marxists or terrorists and probably as many as John Wayne or Randolph Scott had in films!
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Majority of people on this board thought this virus was a
Mar 21, 2020, 2:23 PM
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Non issue 4 weeks ago. When doctors and professionals said otherwise. Its bc of who they have chosen to believe. Guess who that is? Trump has and continues to bring this country down with misinformation. But many on this board can’t think of anything beyond what comes out of his mouth. It’s scary.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 3:19 PM
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Two big reasons you can’t accurately compare the US and Italy;
We have tested proportionately fewer people
Our population in general is much less dense
Add to that Italy’s higher average age and smoking rates.
Death rate trends would be better to compare
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Re: Seems they LIED too
Mar 21, 2020, 8:09 PM
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Yeah that DEFINITELY won't happen in the US, where Trump said he didn't want the cruise ship infected to go on US soil so they would count towards our total infected count.
"I don't need the numbers to double because of one ship," Trump said, noting the U.S. numbers currently of 11 deaths and 240 infected.
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Re: Seems they LIED too
Mar 21, 2020, 8:29 PM
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So finally it comes out. This isn't about the virus, but Trump bashing.
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Re: Seems they LIED too
Mar 22, 2020, 9:49 AM
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Virus is bad. Trumps inaction in Jan/Feb has exacerbated its effects
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We are doing a better job than Italy.***
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 21, 2020, 8:59 PM
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Rag86,
I saw a line graph this morning that showed the same thing, but I can't find it now. I agree that we are likely in for a similar fate. I hope I am wrong.
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how many playoffs has italy made***
Mar 22, 2020, 10:46 AM
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 24, 2020, 9:01 AM
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As predicted, US has passed where Italy was in my original graph, and is almost 2x the number of cases on Day 22 (after Case #100), likely to be 3-4x Italy's number in the next 5 days.
Apologies are accepted but not necessary
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 24, 2020, 9:29 AM
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 24, 2020, 9:33 AM
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
Mar 24, 2020, 9:59 AM
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What prediction? Of course the number of positives will
Mar 24, 2020, 10:47 AM
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continue to rise in the US for a while. I disagreed with your assertion that the football season would be cancelled in its entirety.
To answer your question, you have a better chance of getting a thread in the HOF if you could have a rational discussion without gearing everything toward politics.
Oh, and try to be a bit less annoying.
Hope that helped!
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Maybe he should focus on baby steps...
Mar 24, 2020, 10:49 AM
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Getting a Trophy Post would be a good start.
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So basically you are now saying that we have a larger population?
Mar 24, 2020, 9:48 AM
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Before I thought you were talking about exponential growth. But now it seems you are just confirming that we have a larger population. Correct me if I misunderstand you.
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Re: So basically you are now saying that we have a larger population?
Mar 24, 2020, 10:34 AM
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Both. Exponential growth was guaranteed, as it's present in every country. But many on here misinterpreted my original post to say that I thought we'd have the same number of cases, and thus that isn't a big deal because we have 5x the population.
Clearly we were always going to have way more cases. We're ~1.8x total cases of Italy at same timepoint (Day 21), and would not be surprised if it was 3-4x by Day 28. It's very conceivable that we'll have more cases (per capita) than Italy before the end of next week.
I think many posters on here need to relearn what "exponential" means. Exponential doesn't mean it doubles daily, it just means that the growth rate is increasing at a constant rate.
If you have 10 new cases every day, that's not exponential, that's linear. If you have 10 new cases, then 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 in successive days--that's exponential. That's what we have. Every single day for the last 10+ days, there has been more positive cases than the day before. That is exponential growth, and it will likely last for several weeks--longer if Trump decides that we can all go back to normal lives on April 1st like he wants.
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I get you but it can only maintain that same degree for a time.
Mar 24, 2020, 11:00 AM
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It sounds like you are more the mathematician than I am. But eventually you have to slow because of the population. Obviously you can’t reach a billion cases in America. What I am interested in mathematically regarding this follows. And I’m not sure it’s easy to model. Penny for your thoughts:
So, we are flattening the curve. I get it. Trying to not overload the surge capacity of our medical system. In other words unlike Italy, we would ideally like to not have more patients that need ventilators than number of ventilators we have. This is especially difficult in population dense areas like New York City where we are already on the brink of this. Mathematically, will we end up with the same “area under the curve” in the long run? Which I assume would be patients. So in other words will we end up with the same amount of people getting the virus just that we are hoping to have enough ventilators and therefore the illness drags out. I know your intent seems to be to make this political. But if this is exponential growth it is difficult to exponentially grow your resources when your resources have been set over time. For instance our medical system is not built to maintain a pandemic all the time. Many hospitals have cut beds, staff, facilities, etc over the last 20 years, why, because it’s not profitable. This is not the fault of one president. We are built for the non-pandemic times. Could we have acted more quickly, of course. Could we have undone the trends of our hospitals over the last few decades in a few weeks? No. Could we have “exponentially” increased our number of ventilators (which is essentially what we are talking about here). No. Thoughts? Less interested in your political arguments, but your mathematical.
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Re: I get you but it can only maintain that same degree for a time.
Mar 24, 2020, 11:57 AM
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Absolutely it will slow, but there's no reason to think it will slow for quite a while. We have a population of 330M, even if 60M get infected (which would be catastrophic as we're talking 600k-1M deaths), that's still less than 20% of the population being exposed, which still leaves ability for the virus to move around. Social distancing will help, but it's economically unrealistic to expect us to have Shelter-in-place for months, which is really what it would take to slow this.
From what I understand, you're correct in that "flattening the curve" does not inherently lower the Area under the curve, it just lowers the peak (which is the dangerous part for the reasons you laid out).
If we were to not practice social distancing at all, the good news is that the Pandemic would be over sooner. The bad news is that the mortality rate would skyrocket into the double digits, and our entire infrastructure would crumble as millions of people require hospitalization at the same time. The good part about flattening the curve is that we can try to keep the number of hospitalizations manageable at one time, but it is going to significantly lengthen the overall time that this is a Pandemic--which is not necessarily bad as it will give our Pharmaceuticals a chance to develop anti-virals and Vaccines.
What will be interesting to watch is when do people start getting impatient and going back to "normal" lives. Trump is already suggesting that he will want to remove restrictions next week so that the Economy can get started again.
Many people in areas not under siege (rural areas in the south and midwest, primarily), don't see this as a big issue because they see their low numbers. The problem is, by the time any of them think it's a big deal, it will be too late.
Additionally, while dense cities will predictably take the brunt of this early on, they are the most equipped to handle it in terms of resources and, statistically, their population is younger and healthier than rural America.
Many don't realize that >50% of counties in America do not have a single Acute Care bed. While Sar-Cov-2 will spread to rural America much slower, it is very likely to have a much higher mortality rate due to the demographics of those areas.
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Good arguments. Some will remain to be seen. Live in Arkansas.
Mar 24, 2020, 12:06 PM
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We are considered backwards by many standards. But I’m convinced, without the data to back it up, that we have more ventilators and Hospital beds per capita than New York City. We have 200 cases now, seven on ventilators, no deaths. Almost 800 negative tests. The deaths will come but I like the negative tests. Maybe that means we we’re testing sooner than most relatively speaking.
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Update, 2 have died now, today. Right at the 1%
Mar 24, 2020, 3:02 PM
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But still relatively small denominator
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Not football related.***
Mar 24, 2020, 10:36 AM
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Re: Not football related.***
Mar 24, 2020, 11:58 AM
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Nothing is football-related since football is done for 2020.
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Recruiting is not done, it's alive and well, so...***
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that & hope springing eternal, past, present & future, makes football forever...
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C) OP is a dewshnazzzzle.
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I'm surprised that someone would be spreading disinformation
Mar 24, 2020, 1:11 PM
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in a time like this.
#notcool
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It's a lack of integrity, but I blame its parents.***
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and the red diapers...
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I've been take extra Cialis to protect me
Mar 24, 2020, 2:42 PM
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I've been self-isolating so much I might go blind!
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
May 4, 2020, 8:01 PM
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TBT to when no one was willing to look at the numbers and believe that the US would be just as bad as Italy.
Currently 2x the number of deaths as Italy and projected to have >4x the number of deaths by the beginning of August.
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Do you EVER post about anything else?
May 4, 2020, 8:09 PM
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Is COVID19 your entire life? The sum total of all your interests?
It would seem so.
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He's part of consortium seeking rights to
May 4, 2020, 8:13 PM
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Televise the Apocalypse on PPV. The prospect probably does more for him than a Cialis cocktail. Pretty disgusting, IMO.
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Re: Do you EVER post about anything else?
May 4, 2020, 8:27 PM
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Is it not everyone’s life right now?
I’ve barely posted the last month. No need. What am I going to do, Brag about being right with all these deaths? Not the right thing to do. Just glad that more people are starting to take it seriously.
Although it’s sad seeing people think that football will be happening in a few months. Best not get your hopes up.
Even worse are the folks that think TL will stay another year for some reason
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No doubt you're sad. You'll only be happy once this thing
May 5, 2020, 11:48 AM
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kills tens of millions.
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Re: Do you EVER post about anything else?
May 5, 2020, 3:38 PM
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Yea I heard about the lady who was killed by the Coronagator on the coast too.......
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tigerrag86 is an idiot.
May 5, 2020, 12:42 PM
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Here he is getting his credentials and convincing himself (and his handsome sweetie in the background) that the straw in his head isn’t really straw.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 1:03 PM
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I guess it depends on the definition of "bad".
1. We really should be talking per capita numbers.
2. As time goes on, the rate at which we measure people will increase, so that contributes to the exponential curve.
3. Since we have so many confounding variables in cases, it seems we should look at deaths. It isn't hard to measure if someone is dead. Of course, this brings up its own issues, such as the age of the population and other factors like hospital availability, which brings us to #4...
4. As I understand it, all of these mitigation strategies are designed to prevent our hospitals from getting saturated. So maybe free hospital beds is the metric to follow.
Having said all of that, I do think it is a crime that our testing is so far behind where it should be and where we were told it would be. If we had more testing, we may not be in lockdown now. Lack of leadership didn't cause the pandemic, but I do think it has dug a deeper economic hole. Of course, it was nice to see Congress send money to big corps with deep pockets that it said was intended for small businesses. Disfunction abounds.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 3:05 PM
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Not disagreeing with the content of your post, and I appreciate your fairly balanced approach when you touched on the political aspects.
I just want to point out that the criticism of 'money intended for PPP loans went to big corporations' is typical incorrect, shortsighted, unresearched mudslinging journalism that blames the wrong people.
1) The SBA administered the loans.
2) The SBA assists companies from 1-500 employees. Many major corporations have smaller companies that comprise the corporate family. Some of those smaller companies fit the criteria to be served by the SBA. The LA Lakers may have a billion-dollar payroll (I don't know), but not be disqualified from a PPP loan due to the economic hardship of the pandemic. The Lakers returned their money because of either PR reasons or reason #3 or #4, not because they weren't eligible (if they have <500 employees.)
3) The SBA normally loans $1B per year. They require reams of professionally prepared paperwork to get a loan. Under PPP they were asked to loan over $600 B over two waves within 3 weeks. In order for that to be possible, both the SBA and lending banks were excused from culpability for fraudulent applications. According to the terms of the loan, companies applying for the loans inappropriately bear the responsibility for their fraud.
4) Also according to the terms of the loan, companies that applied for PPP had to swear that no other emergency funding program could help them survive. But the first-come, first-served nature of PPP necessitated apply-first, then check out the other programs. When companies found other sources of emergency funding they were free--and expected to--return the PPP money.
5) Financial advisors were recommending to their clients to apply for PPP whether the funds were needed or not, without regard to the application details. A 1% loan that becomes forgivable?? What's not to love! Except it's not for your clients, Smith Barney.
6) The criticism of the program involved (by my understanding) less than $300 M of the more than $600 B loaned. That's 1/2000th of the total funding. That assumes that 99.95% was loaned correctly.
As I said, the criticism is valid if it is aimed at the correct people, in correct perspective, with an understanding of the terms of the program and the strategies these companies were advised to follow.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 11:54 AM
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80% are over 65
About 85% have other contributary health factors.
100 deaths from 40 yr old
This data from about a week ago.
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Re: better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 12:14 PM
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If we’re going to be where Italy is today, it’s going to be really crowded over there.
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Re: better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 2:23 PM
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But the food is awesome.
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
May 5, 2020, 8:42 PM
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Amazing how many folks still trust anything Trump says. Seriously, would you trust him with anything?
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I trust him to lead our country.
May 6, 2020, 3:35 PM
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Lots of people do. You’ll see in November.
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I believe we are very close to a vaccine.
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The malaria drug is allegedly no longer an option, which means a new, more expensive alternative is almost ready. The infamous Dr. Fauci owns or has partial ownership in the patent for the protein sheeting process being used as the basis for several of the candidate vaccines. Some believe the FDA can confidently fast track these vaccines because they have been tested alongside development of the actual SARS-V2 virus at labs in North Carolina and Wuhan, China.
Medicare pays $13,000 to a hospital for every COVID diagnosis, and $39,000 for every covid patient who is ventilated. These are a 20% premium per patient over traditional payouts.
How's that for foil-hat madness!
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stay 1 day $13,000
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stay 5 days $13,000 stay 21 days $13,000 that's cheap!
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Re: For those that think we’re doing a better job than Italy
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