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For those of you that has investments in the stock market,


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:11 AM
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Should we be in a panic stage with all the tariffs that Trump is placing on China. Personally, I fear that China will invest heavily with other countries to offset their currency loss that Trump is causing them by placing these new tariffs that could cause China to rethink investing in American goods. I agree that the economy has been good, but could this be an aggressive move by Trump that could be the straw that breaks the camels back where China is concerned with dealing with America in trade???

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:16 AM
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that for us. So far so good.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:16 AM
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All the normal rules to tariffs have been thrown out the window with this current administration. Everything they've done has eventually worked extremely well.

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If you’re in it for the long term, no. Buy more when stocks go down.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:18 AM
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If you’re in it for the short term, sell.

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Re: If you’re in it for the long term, no. Buy more when stocks go down.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:23 AM
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Long term for sure, but our life savings are in there under low risk investments, but I sure don't won't to lose what we have gained the past 6 years!!! Wife and I haven't been nervous with the the ups and downs these past 6 years bc we have a + gain, but all these tariffs with China do have me a little worried. We trusted Edward Jones when we gave him our money to invest, I guess I should keep that trust that they will do their best for us....:)

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Re: If you’re in it for the long term, no. Buy more when stocks go down.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:53 AM
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Edward Jones is a good solid place for your money. I do not know how you are invested and if you are worried consider this. Talk to your adviser and get him to explain their managed account option. They for a reasonable commission manage your funds (mostly mutual) and constantly based on solid financial information buy and sell funds that keep your account from fluctuating with the market highs and lows. A lot depends on your risk factor also. Hope this helps.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:21 AM
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Trump is playing the 'long game' and he has a stronger hand than China..........they have been stealing/ripping us off for decades and we finally have a leader who will not kick the can down the road anymore.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 5:32 PM
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Trump's hand is way weaker than China's. They just have to wait 6 years max.

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Nobody plays the long game like China


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 8:04 PM
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The history of Hong Kong is a good example of that.

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Eventually the line had to be drawn

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:26 AM
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It may be tough short term, but it will pay off in the end. Trump is not a politician ... he's all about fixing the trade disparity ... he could have held off until after the 2020 election, but he knew American workers were hurting now.

China has been fleecing the US for decades now. Completely annihilated the US textile and steel industries. Standing up to a bully is always hard.

With this, like the stock market, you should think long term.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:28 AM
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Depends on what you're invested in. I'm good.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:34 AM
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My $63.17 is stuffed in a mattress until further notice.

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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 5:38 AM
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Finally something relevant!


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:41 AM
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Bought some Biotechs and Energy stocks this week.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:47 AM
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This will also force the hand of the Feds to cut rates again which will be even better for expansion of small businesses, which in turn creates more jobs. All good long term


China's like companies drifting towards wholly


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 9:49 AM
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Automated. You choke off your market...what do you have left?

Trump declared war...and no one noticed.


trump is just slowing chinese factories, lowering carbon

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:01 AM
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emissions, saving the planet, whattaman!

gov inslee said the other night he was going to invent carbon capture machines, ahhh, those are called trees lol


Ah yes, the ol' Carbon boogey man ...

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:22 AM
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Every medicine you take is at least 50% carbon.

The human body is 18% carbon.

The beer you drink contains gobs of carbon.

Scary stuff.

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1.5 billion Chinese exhaling everyday

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:52 AM
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Puts a lot of carbon in atmosphere, carbon being bad is just stupid.


Re: trump is just slowing chinese factories, lowering carbon


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:49 AM
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Yes it does, and they keep removing the trees and replacing them with concrete/asphalt that trees have a terrible time growing through. 99.999% of them just don't make it!!! ;)

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:05 AM
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Grammar not withstanding, "breaks the camels back where China is concerned with dealing with American goods." China does not play fair, never has, never will. Be it espionage, patent violation, trademark violations, country of origin deception, currency manipulation, inferior and unsafe products, and their existing tariffs on American goods. Not too mention their own Draconian labor practices.

There is still a lot of correction to take place to make level ground for trade with China. Not for the faint of heart, but as it has been said, good for the long run, and the market will respond accordingly.
Its good to see a US president finally standing up to them, regardless of the media circus around him. But there's always CDs and the money market.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:13 AM
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I would be more concerned with the Fed lowering interest rates. First time since 2008. Remember 2008. I'm out of the market and intend to stay out. Too many red flags.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:17 AM
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No, the market always over reacts to the news, but once the emotions are removed the market will return to fundamentals. The USA has all the leverage, because there is nothing made in China that can’t be made somewhere else and manufacturers can’t pass along all the tariffs because the market want allow it.


China has had tariffs on imports long before Trump became president and has closed its market to lots of US products. The US is in a much better position to win this battle in the long run because our economy isn’t dependent on exports to China, and China can’t raise prices drastically or they’ll lose sales to their competitors. I hope the US will hold firm and get a better trade deal.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:31 AM
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"The USA has all the leverage."

Here's where I would disagree with you, and for one simple reason: the USA is a democracy on an election cycle, and China is not. China thinks in terms of five-year, ten-year, twenty-year, and even hundred-year plans. Politicians in the USA have to worry about the next election...and our next one is not even a year and a half away.

It's a bit like the two dudes who encounter a bear in the forest, and one of them starts taking off his shoes. His buddy says: "Hey, you can't outrun a bear"...and his partner answers: "Nope, I just have to outrun you."

All China has to do to win this thing is crash the markets, because Xi can survive that crash and Trump can't. Keep in mind Trump is only polling 42% and is already badly underwater in key battleground states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, even Florida - owing directly to the pain inflicted by the trade war. If China gives markets that are already slowing a good shove, the economy tumbles into a recession...and Trump's already-low approval will tumble right along with it.

Granted, it'll hurt China too - and probably worse - but China always thinks long-term and Xi doesn't have to sweat the next election since he already got himself named Grand High Poobah For Life over there anyhow; they'll just take the pain...and Trump will get massacred at the ballot box.

My guess is that's exactly why Trump is raising the stakes now, trying to bully China right off the pile. If China doesn't fold - and I doubt they will - Trump is likely in a world of hurt.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 4:49 PM
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Fake News!!

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very good analysis

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 5:38 PM
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Trump and most Americans greatly underestimate China’s ability to prevail in an all out trade war.

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No, Q, Xi can't...


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 8:10 PM
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China, like it or not, is 'all in' on global and economy. They tried to rule the roost, but they can't. China have 1.3 billion people to keep occupied...idle minds remove men from power. Always have...always will.

Bullets are the material of war anymore, except in abject desperation. China is blinking...and they're blinking hard.


Bullets are NOT...


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 8:12 PM
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Thick-fingered, addle-minded dummy tried to type.


I'll just grab more bourbon, watch baseball and stay out of this! ;)


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:26 AM
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muschamp how to win a national championship.

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Re: Asking Tigernet for market advice is like asking

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 10:48 AM
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Actually, most of these posters seem to have a MUCH better handle on what is going on than does nearly anybody in the media.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:17 AM
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Meanwhile, the Chinese people are getting tired of starving due to China not wanting to buy our farm supplies. They will get tired of it someday, and maybe their leader will begin to understand his mistake in not wanting to play fairly. I'm fully invested, and with Trump 100% for trying to level the playing field so that someday our grandchildren won't be ruled or owned by China. If you can't see it, then you aren't watching.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:20 AM
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this


Seriously? The amount of the tarrifs is

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:19 AM
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minute percentages of the total good traded. It is a political move to get China to change only.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:44 AM
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On this board I would bet on Clemson Football.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:18 PM
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Now I am fully invested in Clemson FB, and have been for a while now, Go Tigers, beat GT!!!

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:22 PM
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The only people who get hurt on a roller coaster are the ones that try to get off in the middle of the ride. Translation: Don’t try to time the market.

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Invest for the long term.


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:26 PM
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Dividend-paying blue chips only. You'll sleep at night.


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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:32 PM
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Well, we are going to experience an economic downturn in the near future. Many economists believe that it will occur at some point in 2020. We crash about every 10 years on average, and it’s been 11 since the last one.

Since Trump would lose the election if we have a downturn next year, then he only has two options: get the Fed to lower interest rates to encourage people and businesses to borrow more money and spend it into the economy. This will push the downturn back as long as possible. Or, Trump can make it seem like the world’s economy is crashing, not just our own. He can accomplish that with tariffs.

Now, I’m not saying that Trump is causing an economic downturn to happen. But, one will happen. If you’re Trump, you don’t want it to happen next year because of the election. If the Fed won’t lower interest rates, then you can make it seem like everyone else is going bad also. Which seems to be the route that he’s going for. The Fed doesn’t want inflation to increase, which they worry will happen if they lower interest rates.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:32 PM
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Why here? I come here to get away from that... put his on your FB page... ugh

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:36 PM
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Thanks guys, but I am still a little nervous about my money, but, it's that way when everything seems to be good. But we hired Edward Jones for a reason, and biggest reasons were, we knew absolutely nothing about the stock market or how to invest before Edward Jones, and they were the ones that advised us to go with the low risk investment until we learned more about what we were doing...And what we invested has made some money, not a fortune, but more than what we invested. And if we hadn't invested, what we invested would have been less than what we still have plus made some money!!!;)

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 1:06 PM
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Not doubled Neal, but we have made enough to make some home improvements, and it has helped to supplement our fixed income and still have more than what we invested 6 years ago. I wish it was double!!!

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:41 PM
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Big recession on the horizon , according to most American money experts .
I have already taken the steps to make sure I'll be able to keep my money for retirement ... which right now is 15 years away and should last about 11 days .

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:39 PM
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Spend it wisely



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I have been in 100% equities my whole life

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 12:42 PM
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just dropped to 70/30 as I am about 10-15 years away from a planned retirement. Sooner or later the huge rise will end, but it won't be something small like a tariff on Chinese goods. Trump is negotiating with China. He is better at financial negotiations than Obama was.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 1:28 PM
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Neal, ck you T-mail.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 5:55 PM
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Well if you watch CNN or MSNBC, they are pulling for a recession or even better a depression so it will make our president look bad. They make it sound like the 10% tariff on 300B of Chinese goods will crash the market and our economy. If you watch Fox news, they say that the 10% tariff will be no big deal, as a cut in Feds's interest rate will stimulate the economy enough to off-set it. Take your pick. As for me if I am going to bet on any country's businesses, it's going to be the good old USA, so I'm staying put in our stock market.


Screw them...they'd televise the Apocalypse


Posted: Aug 2, 2019 8:14 PM
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For ratings. They have no grasp of reality...or life...they just stare into a camera and spew.


Re: Screw China

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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 11:26 PM
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I have a friend that was teaching in China that was falsely arrested and spent 8 months in a labor camp making Christmas lights. I wish America would just stop trading with China. I'm tired of so many products that say made in China. I am willing to pay more for made in America.

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Re: Screw China

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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 5:18 AM
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The unfortunate part of that dream is that our economy depends on China , more so now than in the last 30 years.

I don't play politics too much , but I do think we're on the front edge of our next recession and it's nothing to do with Trump or Obama or Bill Nye ... it's a thing all to itself and a semi-expected occurence . The price of doing business , as it were .

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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 6:46 AM
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The USA is still the most coveted market in the world. China wants and relies on access to our market more than anywhere else in the world. The Chinese will eventually do whatever is required to maintain access to the USA market because they cannot survive without that access.

At this point the Chinese are going to take it in the shorts for the near term in their hope that Trump does not get re-elected (Since Trump started imposing these tariffs the Chinese economy has started to slow down considerably). The Chinese prefer the de-facto standard/previous US policy of "free trade no matter what" that has been the hallmark of the globalist elites in both the Republican and Democratic parties/administrations. The Chinese will continue to play their smile to your face, stab you in the back diplomacy through the 2020 election as I don't expect a trade deal to be worked out with China before then. If Trump is re-elected, then China will probably change their tune a little and some kind of trade deal will be worked out. Even then, expect China to cheat and operate in bad faith. Never forget the truth about China - they are Maoist Communists who can never be trusted.

As far as tariffs - I generally don't like tariffs but in the case of China it is warranted. Far too many administrations (Repubs and Dems) have played nice with China and have let them rob us blind. The biggest mistake the USA ever made was granting China Most Favored Nation (MFN) status in 2000 (becoming permanent in December 2001), when an already lopsided trade imbalance with China skyrocketed as the affects of this "deal" really took off in 2002. Prior to the Chinese MFN status in 1999, the trade imbalance with China was already at $68 billion a year. By 2018 the USA trade imbalance with China had increased to more than six times the pre-MFN Chinese imbalance. Over the last 18 years of Chinese MFN status, China has averaged around $300 billion a year in trade surplus with a $419 billion trade surplus in 2018. No wonder the USA is $20 trillion in debt. The Chinese trade deficit alone is over half of what the USA spends on our military budget and has been for over 10 years. Through these trade imbalances the USA is essentially funding the cost of the Chinese military build-up while putting future generations of Americans further in the debt hole....We are paying for our future demise. Take a look and see for yourself: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

The bottom line is China steals from the USA through Chinese government sponsored corporate espionage and underhandedly manipulates every market in which they are involved through numerous schemes (i.e. dumping, currency manipulation, forced partnerships for access etc...). Whether you agree with him or not, Trump is the first President to really try and stand up to the Chinese but is not getting a lot of help from all the "globalist free market" elites of all political persuasions. If Trump gets re-elected we may have a chance to start rolling some of this back in the near term, but would require future administrations to really hold the Chinese feet to the fire on any deal we reach. Over the longer term (10 to 15 years), I'm not very confident the political elites have the desire and balls to keep the Chinese in check even if Trump gets a deal that levels the playing field with China. The elites are all too willing to go back to their do-nothing lip service towards China while they line their pockets with Chinese money behind the American citizens back.

The Chinese are not our friends and despite what you hear from the Democrats about "Russia", the Chinese are the biggest outside threat to the stability and well being of the USA.

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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 8:25 AM
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Nice Democratic response


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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 11:12 AM
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One thing to keep in mind, the USA is the largest consumer nation on the planet. They need our markets to sell stuff manufactured in China, if companies move to avoid the trariffs that only hurts China.

Outside of farm products, airplanes and heavy equipment there is no USA goods market in China . Now there is a stolen technology market for US companies that have chosen to manufacture in China, something they will pay dearly for when China begins to make the same products. Looking at you Boeing.

Their only recourse is to divest of Treasury holdings, something that hurts them as well. In truth we hold the largest portion of our debt anyways.


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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 12:25 PM
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The customer is always right. America is China's largest customer.There are millions across the globe who will produce nearly as cheaply as the Chinese. American money is good and everyone loves the dollar.

They should be shaking in their boots that we will find new suppliers and shop elsewhere. Had they not been buying our politicians the trade deficit wouldn't be in this mess. Now they have a guy who loves this country more than their money and the chit's hit the fan.

We knew going into this that there would be struggles. Imo, this economy is closer to perfect than it's been since we allowed China to join the world trade org. It's the perfect time to slap China back to reality.

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It's a risky and misleading game he is playing.


Posted: Aug 3, 2019 1:03 PM
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#1 problem is they hold $1.1 Trillion of our National Debt, and they know it.

(The U.S. debt to China is $1.11 trillion as of May 2019. That's 27% of the $4.1 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $22 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.)

#2 the Tariff's are a tax on American consumers, not China.

#3 the American taxpayers are $28 billion to farmers to reimburse them their losses.(is that socialism?)

A downturn is coming. I've put my money in cash. The push to lower interest rates by the Fed. is a prop-up move because the economy is slowing. The market can't go much higher or it's a 'stock bubble'. And bubbles burst. I'm out of stocks and have moved to capital.


https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2019/aug/02/donald-trump/no-china-not-paying-us-farmers-16b-through-tariffs/

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/16/trumps-china-tariffs-wont-even-pay-for-the-bailout-to-farmers-hurt-by-his-trade-war/

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