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Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:36 PM
 

 
Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge

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Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:39 PM
 

OUCH!


Well holy crap. Didn't see this coming fom Bowers

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:39 PM
 

How stupid can you be? Geez


sounds like another case of forgetting about the gun

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:41 PM
 

People need to be a lot smarter with this stuff.

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and another case of forgetting about the bullets***


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:56 PM
 



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The bullets weren't in the gun

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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:43 AM
 

They were in a clip that was also in the bag but in NY that is considered "loaded".

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Fedex that thing home man.


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:42 PM
 

seriously why on God's green earth would you bring a gun to an airport. you know they're gonna xray you luggage. Overnight it to yourself.


Re: Fedex that thing home man.


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 8:47 AM
 

He won't have to worry about that again, if these charges stick. Felons can't own guns, legally. Terrible decision by him.

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Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:49 PM
 

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Re: Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:54 PM
 

Uh, pretty thuggish of Mr. Bowers


Re: Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:57 PM
 

"Pretty thugish"?
Carrying a gun doesn't make you a thug as long as you handle it properly. If I were worth millions of dollars I'd conceal carry too. I guess you wouldn't.
The point is don't take it into an airport.


Re: Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:08 PM
 

Yes I do think carrying guns is thuggish behavior. No one is going to recognize DaQuan Bowers in NY, so no one has any idea how much money he has. And my guess is, unless he's hanging out in a shady area, he has nothing to worry about and no reason to pack heat.


I carry a gun. Does that make me a thug? What a ridiculous

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:10 PM
 

statement.

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Re: I carry a gun. Does that make me a thug? What a ridiculous

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:13 PM
 

Yes I personally believe that it does make you thug. ### do you need a gun for?


probably to defend yourself

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:19 PM
 

everything isn't exactly peaches in the world

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Re: probably to defend yourself

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:16 PM
 

When an idiot opens fire in a wal-mart or any where with a fire arm. They surely are not going to let you go and get yours. I would rather be caught with it and didn't need it, than to be caught without it when living depended on me having it. But trying to get a fire arm into the passenger cabin of an airplane is just really stupid. Sorry Da'Quan, but that is going to cost you a lotttttttt!!!!

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:30 PM
 




He told the agent at the CHECK IN COUNTER that he had it

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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:47 AM
 

There is a MASSIVE difference between trying to sneak a gun on to an airplane and realizing you still have a gun while checking in at the ticket counter and declaring it there before you ever approach the security line or boarding. Stop wrongly accusing Da'Quan of something he didn't do.

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Re: He told the agent at the CHECK IN COUNTER that he had it


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:55 AM
 

The American Airlines rules for transport specifically say to do just that..Rule 1 of the General guidelines.
He apparently had it loaded...that's wrong.
He is also to provide a lockable container for it's transport. That is not mentioned.
Following the rules it is done all the time.
(obviously not in NY, where those writing the laws have no common sense)
Do a search of "guidelines for transport of a firearm"..there's alot of info.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:22 PM
 

owner, a former law-enforcement officer, and certified by the state of South Carolina to carry said gun.


There was a murder three blocks from my house Saturday where a 18 year old shot a 68 year old trying to rob him in his yard at 10:15 in the morning. Had the older gentleman had a firearm, he may have been able to defend himself. Would that have made him a thug in your book?

Hang on to your beliefs, maybe they will keep you safe.

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If your story is true provide a link to the news story of...


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:02 PM
 

this 68 year old being shot. If you can't, then you just made up a story as cover for your beliefs.

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here ya go.....

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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:47 AM
 

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/21228384/teen-charged-with-murder-in-marion-mans-death


do you really think gun control would have stopped this 18 yr old thug, drug dealer from having a gun??? If you do, you are nuts!


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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:49 AM
 




Obama, is that you? Nice of you to take a moment away from

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:22 PM
 

your golf excursions to post on tnet. Hey, while you're at it, would you mind terribly working on that deficit thing?

TIA

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Re: Obama, is that you? Nice of you to take a moment away from


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:14 PM
 

Ah, the good old creative Obama 'insult'. Didn't see that one coming.


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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:33 AM
 

I agree. He should really stop messing around and fix all of the problems that Bush caused.


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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:50 AM
 




Re: I carry a gun. Does that make me a thug? What a ridiculous

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:09 PM
 

In case I run into a coot like you!


I thought about it, and there's no other reasonable response

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:12 PM
 

you just stupid.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:29 PM
 



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bohsandos -

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:43 PM
 

Really, dude?

i have a suggestion FOR YOU

grow a pair

next, become an American

I carry because it is my right, because you seem to think you should be able to take it away from me, because police solve crimes - they don't prevent them, and because in your insane and twisted logic, you seem to think weapons will just disappear if all law abiding citizens n o longer have them.

The next time you are in NYC, you may be glad that I carry. I have been there; worked there for a while, in fact. I can tell you, there are a lot of great places there; and a lot of bad people.


Re: bohsandos -


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:16 AM
 

So disagreeing with the 2nd amendment, or how it's been interpreted makes me not an American? You believe that I should believe everything that is a law without using my own common sense to judge it? That sounds un-American.

And I grew up in Baltimore, MD. I know a thing or two about the dangers of a big city, and never felt compelled to carry a gun, or that carrying one would make me feel safer.

I have my views, you guys have yours. I personally think carrying weapons is incredibly stupid, no matter what your purpose for carrying them is.


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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:28 PM
 




Re: I carry a gun. Does that make me a thug? What a ridiculous


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 8:50 AM
 

Carrying a gun doesn't make someone a thug, but carrying one in a carryon bag to an airport surely does speak about lack of good judgment.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:31 PM
 

Might tend to disagree. Carrying makes them feel safer from thugs, not thuggish.

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Re: My 76 year old Mother in law and my 70 year old mother


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:20 AM
 

Knowing that there are 76 year old women with firearms does not make me feel safer, that's for sure.


Re: Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!

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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:42 AM
 

Your so corny!!!! Carrying a gun makes you a thug??? So every Police man is a thug? A person who carrys a gun, that has been trained properly, is an asset to the community. You think all of these "tragedys" would be happening if there were more citizens bearing arms? NO! This doesnt even sound like DaQuan,,, something is fishy here...


Re: Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:45 AM
 

I think these tragedies are happening because citizens have guns. Most of these kids are taking these guns from their parents, see the kid that committed the Newtown massacre. More guns, I do not believe, is the answer.

And no, don't believe Police officers are thugs.


I'm guessing he wasn't really thinking at all***


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ANd that is why I never put any of my handguns in my

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:31 PM
 

suitcases. Ever! Anybody can forget.

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Re: Da'Quan........... what were you thinking??!!


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 8:45 AM
 

Sadly, I think the answer is, he wasn't thinking at all. I really expected better from him, of all people.

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Might have forgotten it was there

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:50 PM
 

I left some clips ... no gun...on one of my bags once. Found them at the X-ray.......thank goodness it was before they got so hardcore. They told me they could keep them or they would let me go back to car to put them away. I had time....

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Hmm, this doesn't make good sense

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:52 PM
 

Hopefully avoids jail time and takes a concealed weapons class. It wouldn't be a bad idea for all pro athletic organizations to get their players to take a concealed carry class b/c they get gun related charges all the time.


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Come on man!***


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:55 PM
 




Whoopdee Freak'n Doo.***


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:56 PM
 



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Had a friend get popped at Charlotte-Douglas.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:57 PM
 

Just plain forgot.

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Re: Had a friend get popped at Charlotte-Douglas.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:01 PM
 

Regrettably, New York City isn't in North Carolina.

A handgun in New York City is a very serious offense.

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So is drinking a soda from a too-large container

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:35 PM
 

NYC is simply the domain of overly smug and controlling people, intent on imposing their elitist ideas on the rest of us "for our own good".

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:57 PM
 

square

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Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:57 PM
 

Probably had it because he is throwing a party in columbia at a club with Chad Ochocinco


Boom


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:58 PM
 

msg deleted by arthur

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Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:02 PM
 

I really hate this for Da'Quan and especially since he was in NY. I hope since it is first offense, that he has called a good lawyer.


I'm not going to jump to conclusions on this until we get


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:11 PM
 

All the facts. Anyone who has spent time with Daquan and his family knows he was a model citizen and student. Things that are considered normal here pass for crimes in la la land up there. One guy who was from Indiana who had a CWP and a registered gun tried to check it when he walked in The Empire State building and he got thrown in jail.

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Im not sure carrying a loaded gun in an airport is normal...

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:15 PM
 

anywhere.

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Sure it is

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:09 PM
 

In many places (such as ATL) it is perrfectly legal to carry a loaded weapon in the common areas of the airport, jus tnot in the secure areas.

Most airports have a normal method for checking a handgun, as well. NYC in their inane laws use the unfamiliarity to regularly arrest otherwise law-abiding (and in particular those otherwise *trying* to abide by the laws as they thought they applied).

Not new...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/21/us/new-york-gun-laws

New York gun law triggers confusion, arrests for visitors


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Re: Im not sure carrying a loaded gun in an airport is normal...


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:05 AM
 

Remember when Barry Switzer did that...
people can forget...especially when it's out of sight.
not saying that's an excuse, but it does happen.

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Except it wasn't loaded.***


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GO TIGERS!!


By New York law ....every gun in Walmart is loaded***


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Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:06 PM
 

Now we know what Korncoot's show will be about.


Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:11 PM
 

He must have played football at SC with the rest of the thugs, right?


Oh no, if that were the case he wouldve already done his***


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:36 PM
 



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time and released to play again like Vic Hampton and others***


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Da'Quan is the last former tiger I would imagine

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:21 PM
 

this happening too.

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OUCH..................


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:29 PM
 

265.03 Criminal Possession of a Weapon in The Second Degree

The law is very clear. If you are convicted of this offense there is a mandatory minimum sentence of 3.5 year in prison and a maximum term of 15 years in prison.


http://www.new-york-lawyers.org/lawyer-attorney-1580412.html

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Re: OUCH..................


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:35 PM
 

Exactly! The gun was not registered & was carried illegally. Why is your gun registered like most law abiding gun owners???


it has nothing to do with being registered or not.


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:39 PM
 

It may be a registered gun in his home state, but not in NY.


Now, I'm not a gun person, but this is news to me that you have to register the gun in different states!

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:41 PM
 

Yes it does. Do your research! Loaded & not registered in NY is a no no. NY is different because you have to register your gun b4 even coming to NY.


Re: it has nothing to do with being registered or not.


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:44 PM
 

NY Firearm registration S 700.00, S 265.01 No registration for long guns. All handguns must be registered under a license. There is a $3 registration fee. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Antique weapons are exempted from this. All handguns must travel in the manner one's license is issued. No record is needed of previously owned handguns with laws enforcement.


Oh so clearly an oversight on his part...whew***


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Yeah. If you live in NY***


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You don't***


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None of my guns are registered, but I'm law-abiding

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:38 PM
 

Registration of firearms is not required in my state.

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Re: OUCH..................


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:15 PM
 

Mandatory minimum does not mean 'mandatory minimum'.


And apparently "loaded" does not mean "loaded"


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 10:45 AM
 

weird place, NYC.

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Re: And apparently "loaded" does not mean "loaded"


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 10:51 AM
 

had a buddy check a gun at the counter at the airport in idaho after we had a wreck after the bowl game. there were no problems whatsoever. what did dequan do wrong in his case except being in wackville new york.

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A knock on the University

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:35 PM
 

I don't know the situation but if it is as they say, people this dumb should not be allowed out without supervision aka House arrest. He gives responsible gun owners a bad reputation and I hope he gets serious penalties.

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Re: A knock on the University

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:08 PM
 

Get h3ll off your high horse. Noway does this make Clemson or any other school look bad


Hardly.***


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Re: A knock on the University


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:12 AM
 

I'm sure you have your entire state's firearm's laws memorized, and can quote them verbatim by paragraph. Correct?

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Ny's asinine gun laws strike again

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:38 PM
 

Dumb mistake but in no way, shape or form should that result in jail time. Ridiculous

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Where exactly is it ok to have a loaded gun in an airport?***

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Re: Where exactly is it ok to have a loaded gun in an airport?***

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:45 PM
 

It's the punishment that's the problem. Sure he made a mistake...but not one that is deserving of jail time. If he carried it in there and shot someone...sure but in no way did he harm anyone. He just made the mistake of ever entering a state with such ridiculous gun laws. NY is a perfect example of the ineffective nature of restricting the constitutionally protected rights of law abiding citizens in order to attempt to control criminals who could give a d@&n about their crazy laws.

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Loaded, in an airport

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:50 PM
 

He should get two years just for being a dumb@ss

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Re: Loaded, in an airport

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:56 PM
 

Please. Just because of the inane hoplophobia of new york's rulers, this should mandate jail time? When he harmed no one and we let people commit multiple DUI's and get no jail time? Again overreaction based on irrational laws. Again, certainly stupid to be ignorant of their strict laws, and stupider to take it to the airport, but shouldn't be jail-able as a first offense anywhere in the us. Period

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He hasn't been to trial yet over this, so wait for that then


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:05 PM
 

state your opinion.

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Are you serious? Get over yourself. Mistakes happen...

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:01 PM
 

but it just so happens that this is the type of mistake that can cost you jail-time. That's just bad luck.

Hell, a DUI is much easier to avoid than forgetting about a gun, yet people can get out of a DUI as long as he/she doesn't get in a wreck.

If you carry guns often, forgetting your passport can be just as easy to do, but that won't get you arrested. NY is insane about gun laws, but their judges let violent criminals go free all the time.

I accidentally took a knife to Middle School because I had left it in my backpack. I almost got kicked out of school for it. Forgetting certain things, with no evil intent, can get you in trouble in our society.

Cut and dry = stupid.

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Re: Are you serious? Get over yourself. Mistakes happen...

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:41 PM
 

CSO - I completely disagree with you. I have a carry permit, so i am not against weapons; to the contrary, I am completely for them. Here is my problem. It is a weapon. In order to carry it, you must be in complete control of it at all times. You do not "forget" that you are carrying it. Forgetting a passport will not make it accidentally discharge and kill someone. forgetting a passport may get you thrown in jail.....I agree that there are many, many people out there with not enough brains and too much opinion on how you and i should live our lives. NYC's gun laws are designed by the mass hysteria of control, in so many different ways. But in no circumstance, can you or should you ever forget you are carrying a weapon.

P.S. Clemsonsuzi did a piece in the football section. Apparently, in NYC, a weapon does not have to have a chambered projectile(bullet) to be called "loaded". In NYC, simply by having ammunition near the weapon, it is considered loaded.

Anyone with any sort of "gun sense" will tell you a weapon isn't much good if it isn't loaded. NYC always has been full of morons


I'm not exactly sure what you disagree with because I never


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:06 AM
 

said anything that contradicts anything you just said. I simply said that there are things that are comparable strictly in terms of how forgettable they are. My main point is that gun laws should always involve intent, and take all variables into account.

I was simply using the comparison of other forgettable phenomena to remind all the holier than thou crowd that everyone is capable of screwing up to a comparable level as Daquan, no matter how convinced they are otherwise. To assert that having a tremendous respect for gun safety makes you immune to potential critical lapses in judgement is not realistic. We must all assume that our vigilance against folly will significantly reduce our likelihood of making mistakes, not automatically cure us of human nature.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:16 PM
 

you arrested too.

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it wasn't loaded...


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:55 AM
 

A clip was in his bag with the gun. This is what the fascist state of NY considers "loaded"

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In lots of airports, perfectly legal


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:15 PM
 

Federal law bars passengers from bringing weapons to or past airport checkpoints. But in many airports, state law allows passengers to carry guns and knives in unsecured areas such as a main terminal — often to airport officials' dismay.

"I don't really like the idea of people coming here with weapons and carrying them into terminals, but that's their right as citizens of the state of Texas," said Alan Black, public safety chief at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

http://abcnews.go.com

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Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:17 AM
 

In New York, how do you define "is"?
If the ammo is just remotely nearby, it's defined as loaded.
That's not the case with the TSA.
New York law tosses all common sense.
Do a search on "guidelines for transport of a firearm on a plane"...

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Yeah, totally asinine

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:47 PM
 

You should be able to bring your unregistered gun to any airport!

You, sir, are not very bright,

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Re: Yeah, totally asinine

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:49 PM
 

Oh please. So you , mr intelligent, think 3 years in prison is acceptable for that offense? Tell me how that's intelligent.

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Re: Yeah, totally asinine


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:49 PM
 

Unregistered & loaded! That's just an idiotic move especially in NY. U know there laws are strict b4 u go up there


Re: Yeah, totally asinine

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:25 PM
 

It was not registered in NY! That was the problem. It still could have been registered in another state. He informed the airport he had the gun. You are assuming everything...


According to Campbell, a spokeswoman for the Queens District Attorney's office, Bowers did not try to go through security with his Smith & Wesson firearm. When he got to the check-in counter, he told airline employees he had a gun in his bag, Campbell said. She did not have any information on Bowers' reasoning for having the gun in his bag.


Did he say that? He simply made the point that Bowers doesnt

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:03 PM
 

deserve to go to jail for forgetting to remove something from his bag.

The fact it was a gun was bad luck.

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Re: Ny's asinine gun laws strike again


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:48 PM
 

Exactly. In SC with a clean record you can get away with going through pretrial intervention and community service. In NY you get multiple years in prison.


Re: Ny's asinine gun laws strike again


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:17 PM
 

NEW YORK (CNN) -- An online campaign in support of a former U.S. Marine -- arrested for attempting to security-check his pistol while visiting the Empire State Building -- is bringing new attention and a fair amount of scrutiny to one of the nation's toughest gun-control laws.

Ryan Jerome, 28, was charged with criminal possession of his .45-caliber Ruger while visiting the famous New York landmark during a September vacation with his girlfriend. Jerome has a license to carry the weapon from his home state of Indiana, but New Yorks state gun laws do not recognize out-of-state permits.

With his case still pending, Jerome could face up to three and a half years in jail.

Jerome's attorney says its clear his client, who does not have a criminal record, wasn't attempting anything nefarious because Jerome approached security on his own to tell the guards about his weapon.
But the law prohibits anyone -- with certain exceptions such as law enforcement officers -- from carrying a firearm in the state unless that person specifically has a New York state-issued permit.

Jerome spent two days in a jail cell before he could make bail.
"I was in utter disbelief, I was in shock," said Jerome.

His arrest is one amid a series of similar instances that have some questioning whether New York state's strict gun laws, which aim to protect public safety, are unnecessarily targeting law-abiding citizens.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:49 PM
 

NEW YORK — A tourist from Tennessee reportedly thought she could check her loaded gun at New York City's Sept. 11 memorial.

The New York Post says 39-year-old Meredith Graves was visiting the memorial at the World Trade Center site on Dec. 22 and noticed a sign that said "No guns allowed." The Post reports that Graves asked police where she could check her loaded pistol. She was arrested on a gun-possession charge.

Graves has a legal permit to carry a weapon in Tennessee, but New York's gun laws are stricter.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:51 PM
 

The list of New York City tourists facing gun-possession charges keeps growing. Not only was a Tenn. nurse arrested for trying to check her gun at the 9/11 Memorial, but an Indiana jeweler was taken into custody when he tried to check his firearm at the Empire State Building. And now, an Ohio man who brought his three guns to his hotel room for protection, and had a permit in his home state, has been arrested on similar charges.

The New York Post reports Fred Vankirk, 59, of Columbus, was arrested at about 11 a.m. Saturday after cops found two .357 Magnum pistols and a .45 semiautomatic in his room at a Midtown-area hotel.

Police were notified of the guns’ presence by a maid who came in to clean the man’s room. She spotted one of the revolvers sitting on a table and notified security, who notified police.

Ankirk, however, does have a permit for his guns — in Ohio. But in New York City — where gun laws are some of the strictest in the country — it’s doubtful that will be a valid defense.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:54 PM
 

Defending Gun Arrests at LGA and JFK Airports in New York
If you have been arrested for possession of a firearm or other weapon at JFK or LaGuardia airports in Queens County, NY, you probably share several traits with almost all of my airport gun arrest clients:

1) You are a law-abiding citizen who is careful to follow the law.

2) You recognize the responsibilities of gun ownership and are careful to handle, store, and transport your handgun in the safest way possible.

3) When you flew to New York, you carefully checked with both your airline and the TSA as to whether it was legal to transport your firearm in your luggage. You also learned and followed the strict requirements such as unloading and segregating ammunition, using a TSA approved lockbox, and submitting a TSA Declaration form.

So why are you reading this website? You're an honest citizen who followed all the rules. When you left AnyTown, USA Airport, you were treated respectfully when you made your firearm declaration. Your luggage, with the TSA lockbox, was inspected and cheerfully accepted for your flight to JFK or LaGuardia and you had no problem retrieving your luggage in New York. But when you came to the airport to return home and followed the same approved procedure, all #### broke loose. You were arrested, spent several hours or overnight in custody, appeared before a judge where the DA asked for humongous bail, and you were finally released and told to come back with a lawyer. Now you're scared and fighting mad at the same time. What's going on?

The short answer is that New York has the toughest gun control laws in the world and does not recognize the legitimacy of any out of state licenses as conveying any rights in New York. To make matters worse, our current mayor has made gun law enforcement a signature issue and accordingly, the Queens District Attorney has set up a separate bureau headed by a high ranking official just for gun cases. There is now also a special court for gun cases, which is (I believe intentionally) presided over by a very tough judge. You're in trouble.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:55 PM
 

How much trouble? That depends on the specific facts, which I'll get into. First, before I scare you to death, let me assure you that a good Queens County criminal lawyer can almost certainly keep you from going to jail and can even keep you from having any criminal record at all. It is extremely important that your attorney be highly experienced in dealing with similar cases with both the Queens District Attorney's Office and the Queens courts. (A good article to check is http://blogs.lawyers.com/2012/01/heading-to-NYC) Much of what you can read in magazines or online is written by persons, even attorneys, who have little or no experience handling firearms arrests at JFK and LGA. Unfortunately, some of the advice, in my opinion, is worse than just unhelpful-it is dangerous. For example, an article in Forbes Magazine (which quotes me) (http://www.forbes.com/sites/harveysilverglate/2012/01/13/have-gun-dont-travel) suggests that going to trial in anticipation of "jury nullification" is a viable and possibly best option. It's not.

Getting back to "how much trouble?," there are generally two possible alternate charges under New York law. If the handgun is unloaded, the charge is a misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of one year. In practice, there is rarely any threat of a jail sentence and the main goal is to avoid any criminal conviction at all. Possession of a loaded firearm is an extremely serious charge. It is a Class C Violent Felony with a maximum sentence of 15 years and, more importantly, a minimum sentence of 3 ½ years. That's right. If you choose to go to trial and are convicted, the judge has no choice-he must give you at least 3 ½ years in prison and as much as 15 years. But don't worry. If the judge gives you the minimum and you behave yourself in prison, you'll be out in just a little more than 3 years. See why going to trial isn't such a great idea?

None of this applies to you because you would never put a loaded firearm onto an airplane, correct? In fact, the TSA mandates that ammunition not be in the firearm and you carefully complied. Unfortunately, New York has its own unique way of defining a loaded handgun. Our highest court, in its wisdom, holds that a handgun is loaded when "the ammunition is in close proximity." In your case, that means that if you followed the TSA instructions and unloaded the gun and put the ammunition in your luggage, you had a loaded gun! I'm not saying this makes any sense, but it is the law in New York.

I tell you all this not to scare you, but simply to make you aware that this a very serious charge with very serious potential consequences. If handled recklessly or improperly, you could wind up facing a lengthy jail sentence and a felony record. An experienced Queens criminal attorney, particularly a lawyer who handles many firearms arrests at JFK and LaGuardia airports, will avoid the obstacles and pitfalls that can cause a disastrous result. General legal knowledge and common sense aren't enough, because this crazy law and its implementation defy common sense. I can assure you that I am one of a very few lawyers highly experienced in handling New York airport firearms arrests in Queens.

Over the years, I have handled literally hundreds of them, probably more than any other lawyer. We are located midway between JFK and LGA, directly across the street from the Queens Criminal Court. I never make promises as to the outcome of a case (run quickly from any attorney who makes guarantees or promises), but I can truthfully say that I have never had a client go to jail or even get a criminal record where the firearm was declared. I put a great amount of time and effort into presenting you and your case in the best possible light with the people who matter and it pays off with excellent results.

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Re: Ny's asinine gun laws strike again


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:34 AM
 

Are you serious?! You don't think he should get jail time for trying to take a gun and bullets onto an airplane....in NEW YORK of all places?


If that was true then he would deserve jail time


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 10:48 AM
 

Read the whole story - he was not trying to sneak through security with the gun - he was trying to find out how to check it so that he would NOT be taking it onto the plane.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:51 PM
 

What an idiot...don't care what anybody says to try and justify this---sheer stupidity.


Anyone who never forgot anything at the airport cast the

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:08 PM
 

first stone.

Forgetting your tickets to a football game, or bringing your passport, or running out of gas on the highway is just as stupid as what Bowers did, but it won't land you jail time.

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No it is not

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:11 PM
 

As it is not illegal for me to forget any of those things. Let alone a gun in an airport in the post 9/11 world.

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Well you missed the point.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:16 PM
 

It being illegal has nothing to do with how easy/difficult it is to remember/forget something.

When laws are not based on intent, they are irrational.

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Re: Well you missed the point.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:21 PM
 

A gun is not something you should forget where you put it. If you are that irresponsible, you should not be carrying a gun in the first place.


You lack self-awareness if you think you are incapable of

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:26 PM
 

forgetting something that could potentially be very costly to you or someone else. Hypocrisy is all over the place. Just because that is one thing you may never do, doesn't mean you are not capable of something equally stupid.

Forgetting a gun at an airport is a really dumb thing. Forgetting to bring your tickets to a football game is also a dumb thing. The only difference is one will get you arrested.
Accidentally bringing a gun to an airport does not mean someone is going to get shot. It's not dangerous for anyone but yourself to forget you gun is in your bag.

If I accidentally brought a gun to an airport, then I would shoot the same number of people as I would if I had simply forgot my tickets to a football game. Zero.

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Re: You lack self-awareness if you think you are incapable of

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:31 PM
 

Except I choose not to carry something that can kill a person, therefore I will never forget something equal to forgetting a gun. And you are missing the point, if you carry something that can kill someone, you better be responsible and aware enough to not have a lapse such as forgetting where you placed your gun. Although the likelihood may be low, a lapse like that could have very serious consequences.


Uh... have you ever driven a car? Do we really need to do

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:33 PM
 

have that convo? Have you ever heard of automobile fatalities? Stop being irrational.

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Re: Uh... have you ever driven a car? Do we really need to do

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:36 PM
 

A car is designed as a mode of transportation, a gun is designed to kill. I don't see the connection.


Please explain what 'design' has to do with this?

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:41 PM
 

You just said you don't carry something around that could kill people. If you use a car, then you are just as capable as killing a person, if not more, as someone carrying a gun.

Which one do you think kills more people by accident? Cars. So if its not actual lives you care about, then what is it? Some naive philosophy about how nobody should have guns?

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Guns almost never kill people

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:20 PM
 

You have to swing one really hard to kill someone with a gun. No, guns are designed to propel bullets, bullets that sometimes kill people.

But the design purpose of a gun is simply to launch the bullet down the barrel toward what it is pointed at.

None of the guns I own nor the thousands upon thousands of rounds fired from them has ever harmed anything other than a paper target.

I guess if guns are designed only to kill then I've not been using mine correctly.

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Re: Uh... have you ever driven a car? Do we really need to do


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:48 AM
 

Which one kills more by accident?

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Re: You lack self-awareness if you think you are incapable of


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:46 AM
 

I take it you don't drive a vehicle.
Since you can kill someone with it.
Or you can take your kids to swimming lessons, etc.

I take it you don't use a knife at your local restaurant because you can kill someone with it. Or you can enjoy that piece of NY Strip...(had to get that in)

Some of the people on this board are trained to kill
with their bare hands, that doesn't mean they will do it
under normal situations. Their hands can also love and care for their child. A person's firearm can also protect themselves and their family. Therefore it is good. Remember the Byrd's song, Turn, Turn, Turn...there is a time to kill, and a time to refrain from killing.
WWII is a good example of that. I'm thankful to be speaking English, instead of Japanese or German.

Electricity can provide you heat and air conditioning. It can also burn your house down, or electrocute you. Think about the world in which you live. Are you not going to protect your family if they are threatened?

The list can go on, and on.

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Re: You lack self-awareness if you think you are incapable of


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:24 AM
 

Yes, but all of those things serve a purpose that is not to inflict harm. The purpose of a gun (and if you just shoot at paper I really don't understand the point of having one) is to inflict harm. It serves no other purpose. It does not get you to and from work, it is not an eating utensil, it does not keep you warm during the winter. It is to shoot something that is living, and either severely injure it or kill it. That is all.


Well, they give olympic medals for shooting


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 9:06 PM
 

Those idiots, right?

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I"m a gun owner

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:42 PM
 

And carry pretty much everywhere I can.

However, knowing where your firearm is at all times is a much more important concern than where your football tickets are. I'm not calling him out, but he broke a law by not legally managing his firearm at all times. I agree NY's laws are stupidly severe, but I also find the comparison to forgetting football tickets to be laughable.

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I'm not saying they are the same thing, I'm saying how much

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:44 PM
 

more likely are you to forget tickets to a game than you are to forget if a gun is in a certain bag?

I'm not likely to forget either, but if I can forget one, I'm capable of forgetting the other. That's my point.

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Re: I'm not saying they are the same thing, I'm saying how much

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:06 PM
 

If you are capable of forgetting that your weapon is on your person, you are not responsbile enough to have one. Period. You MUST be in control of your weapon AT ALL TIMES.

You may be capable of forgetting. If you are, please do not ever carry one around. The problem is that you do not seem to understand the responsibility of owning and carrying a weapon. Having the opinion that forgetting the weapon is on your person is the same as forgetting tickets shows that you either do not carry, or you do not have the necessary respect or responsibility to carry. I have and do carry. i can tell you; i will forget my head before i forget that i have a weapon.

And yes, a weapon can accidentally discharge. If you are not in proper conrtol of it, it can and will happen. And that IS the mentality that you need to have.


You are confusing the belief that you would never


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:57 AM
 

forget with the actual possibility of you forgetting. I am willing to bet that we have no difference in our level of respect for gun awareness and gun safety. I have never, nor do I believe I will ever forget where all of my firearms are at all times. I also am confident that I take proper care of my weapons to prevent such things as slamfires/misfires.

The point I was making was not that misplacing a gun is equal to misplacing tickets in any way except the relative likelihood of that happening. I'm saying that most human beings, in fact most careful, responsible human beings are capable of making a seemingly inexplicable mistake involving something potentially life-changing or dangerous.

Intelligent, responsible people can do stupid things. You need to understand that just because you post on a message board that you know for a fact that you would never ever forget whether or not you had a gun in a certain bag, or a glove compartment, etc, does NOT mean that you know that for sure. I have lived long enough to understand that Blackhawk helicopters can be shot down by militia, that safe, defensive drivers can have at-fault wrecks, that a rangemaster can be responsible for a safety violation, that Michael Jordan can turn the ball over, that cops break the law, and that EVERYONE is capable of a terribly dangerous mistake.

Those who assume they have nothing to worry about are the ones at the highest risk for making a mistake. I constantly assume I could forget, which makes me take extra precaution in all sorts of matters.

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Re: Well you missed the point.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:33 PM
 

He didn't forget where he put it. By all accounts he intended to check it in. He forgot/didn't know that checking it in in NY would land him in jail. Maybe since he's been playing football he hasn't had time to watch Law and Order like you so called experts. While the statute might be the same, Burris discharged his gun in public which would demonstrate the idiocy of the the law if Bowers ended up with anything resembling the same punishment.

Further, if he wanted to be really irresponsible, he could have thrown it in a garbage can then reported it stolen when he got home. Again, by all accounts he attempted to do the right thing. He was just trapped by a ridiculous law that makes it illegal to cross the border into NY with a legally owned firearm. There should be a means, particularly at airports and law enforcement stations to surrender a weapon without incident.


If you're a responsible gun owner you don't forget where...


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:18 PM
 

you put and you don't forget that your carrying the gun on you.

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So you've never realized you were carrying a pocket knife


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:03 AM
 

somewhere you shouldn't?

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Re: No it is not

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:17 PM
 

Haha none of those are even remotely the same.


Re: Anyone who never forgot anything at the airport cast the

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:21 PM
 

NO it is not. Running out of gas or forgetting your tickets will not get you jail time.

I think Bowers is a great human being and an excellent football player.

But if you think you are responsible enough to carry a loaded weapon, you danged sure better pay attention to what you do with it. Especially if you plan on flying around the country.

I don't care if you are an idiot with your football tickets, but being stupid with a loaded gun is a lot more serious.


Re: Anyone who never forgot anything at the airport cast the


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:08 PM
 

pay attention. this may be the only time i ever agree with a coot


Seems to me he planned on checking it just like


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:25 PM
 

you can at dozens of airports around the country.

See my posting above for the marine arrested and facing 3 years for trying to check his weapon at the Empire State building after reading the sign saying "No Firearms".

NYC has gun laws that exist nowhere else.

Currently, even cops are violating NY state gun laws (maybe fixed by now, but the new NY state law banning "high capacity" magazines failed to exclude those used by law enforcement.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:15 PM
 

has the ability to maim or kill a person. Sorry, but forgetting where you carry your gun around to is just plain stupidity.

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Re: Never knew a ticket, a passport, or being empty on gas...


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:56 AM
 

Running out of gas killed my cousin.
He was beat up /murdered on the side of the road, on his way home from work. He might be alive had he been carrying.
long time ago, now...

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 7:40 PM
 

For those genius' out there here are two things to consider -
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bucs/2013/02/18/daquan-bowers-buccaneers-arrested-handgun-laguardia-airport-new-york-plaxico-burress/1929035/
and
http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/tsa-confiscates-record-number-guns-us-airports-2012-1C7753890
the most dangerous handgun is an unloaded one! Of course some have a hard time believing that - the word used for them is usually "victim".

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Well he reported it so...


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:44 PM
 

I'm guessing he didn't know what he did was wrong. He wasn't trying to hide it but this will go down to him being stupid. If he didn't want people to know he wouldn't have reported it. He probably thought he could fly with it if he had it locked up properly and was gonna get that done at the front desk. He'll probably learn his lesson the hard way.


It is not illegal to carry a gun into an airport ....

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:02 PM
 

Perhaps Mr. Bowers was not familiar with the rules:

Here is the short version of the rules
(Keep in mind that individual airlines may have their own additional requirements on the carriage of firearms and the amount of ammunition you are allowed to have in your checked baggage. Before you book the flight you should contact the airline regarding its firearms and ammunition policies.)
1. You must declare all firearms to the airline during the ticket counter check-in
process. This can be done verbally or in writing.
2. The firearm must be unloaded
3. The firearm must be in a hard-sided container and the container must be locked.
(A ‘locked container’ is one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you. Cases that can be pulled open with little effort do not qualify for this rule. In other words, make sure it really locks. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases on aircraft.)
4. It is ‘recommended’ by TSA that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, they will make a ‘reasonable effort’ to contact you. If TSA cannot contact you the
container will not be placed on the plane.

Q. Can I take ammunition in checked baggage?
A. Yes, here is the short version of the rules –
(Again, remember to check with your airline. They may have their own rules on carrying ammunition in checked baggage.)
1. Ammunition must be securely packed in wood, metal, or fiber (like cardboard)boxes that is specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
2. Ammunition may be carried in the same locking case as the firearm, as long as it is packed as described above.
3. Black powder or percussion caps used with black-powder type firearms cannot be carried in checked baggage.
4. You can’t use firearm magazines/clips for packing ammunition unless they ‘completely and securely enclose the ammunition’. (example: ‘by securely covering the exposed portions of the magazine or by securely placing the magazine in a pouch, holder, holster, or lanyard’).

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Re: It is not illegal to carry a gun into an airport ....


Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:46 PM
 

You can do all of that and it's still illegal in NYC, if it's not registered in NYC.


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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:32 PM
 

Not even going to try and wade through every political/2nd amendment post in this thread but I think there are some things that are common sense whether it's a car or a gun.

1. You don't drive a car after consuming alcohol.
2. You don't bring a gun to the airport (especially in this post 9/11 era)

Hope he doesn't get any jail time and just a huge hefty fine but Da'quan should know better.

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Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:37 PM
 

Again... Him taking the gun into the airport wasn't the problem. It was NYC stupid gun laws.


Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge


Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:38 AM
 

Read the rules for transport of a firearm...American Airlines..Declare it at the Baggage check-in ticket counter. That's what he appears to be doing.
That's rule no.1 of their general rules.
BUT, BIG BUT, it should have not been loaded.
It has to be in a lockable container.
Firearms have to be checked.
We don't know all the story. He may have been trying to check it...just improperly...If he's going to transport, he has to research the reciprocity laws for each state he's traveling...You need a traveling lawyer with you.
AND then the idiot gun laws in New York, where there's no crime. But they've basically outlawed guns...that's really helped.
Same thing in Chicago...but those are other topics.
Notice the first paragraph...they discovered he had a firearm...like he was trying to smuggle it thru. Nevermind, he declared it at the check-in...there's the media agenda wording again.
I pray he finds favor, and just gets a good lecture on knowing the laws.

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Re: Football Player Update: Da'Quan Bowers arrested on gun charge

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Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:47 PM
 

I guess the lesson here is (whether you agree or disagree with the rules), be familiar with the rules regarding firearms at the location to which you are traveling to.

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