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Maryland leaving the ACC does not hurt the ACC. It actually gives the ACC a chance to bring in actual "football" schools (not sure Swoffie will, but the opportunity is there). The next move that Swoffie makes will be the defining moment of his term as commish and define the future of this conference. Clemson and FSU are in a good spot right now. Thy have the ability to play the "wait and see" game. Last year Clemson and FSU were very and I mean "very" close to leaving the ACC and joining the SEC conference. The reason that it did not happen is that the SEC did not want to go to a sixteen team conference at the time. I'm not saying that us and FSU will join the SEC, but if the SEC would have gone to sixteen teams last year Clemson and FSU would have been number 15 and number 16. And before you ask, yes I have a. Close friend that works in the head office of the SEC and these words came straight from they're mouth. I haven't spoken to my friend about Maryland leaving the ACC and if it pushes the SEC to make another move. I do believe that once the NBC contract with ND is up thy will join as a full member of the ACC. Now if ND comes full force that leaves one great opportunities to get some quality football schools. Personally I would love for us (ACC) to go after Oklahoma st., Texas, and Oklahoma. But knowing Swoffie I see us going after UCONN, Cinn, and Louisville (any of these are a step up from Maryland anyway). Just my thoughts.

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Nov 20, 2012, 7:52 PM

The SEC did not feel that it was of immediate importance to make the jump to 16. That is what I was told by my friend. Plus I was told that they are still hoping that Texas would jump to the SEC if the Big 12 collapsed. The problem is that the SEC does not have to do anything but wait. If the B1G PAC 12 and the Big 12 go to 16 teams then you will see the SEC add two more.
You are correct about ND. They will not join as long as it is advantageous for them to remain independent, but my thought on this issue is that ND sees the future of college football becoming a 8 team playoff with 6 conference champions and 2 at large teams. ND will lose out because their strength of schedule will suffer because the "super conferences" will be playing at least 9 conference games a year, if not ten. Also I think that NBC will try and renew the rights. You are correct also on the point that Fox or someone will pick up the rights to ND football, but at what cost? I don't believe any network will give ND 25 million a year for their football right. I believe that if ND wants to keep up in the arms race they will have to join a conference. Getting ND's football into the ACC opens the door to add PSU (unless Swoffie get impatient and jumps the gun, which he has proven he will do). If the ACC wants to keep this conference from collapsing then the only answer is ND. Otherwise I see the football schools leaving and Swoffie can have his super basketball conference that he seems to want. Nothing wrong with basketball, but football is king and football pays the bills! I truly believe that we will ND join as a full member. No sources, that is just how I see this playing out. Feel free to re-post this in the future and tell "you told me so", but I believe that this deal is already in place. Without ND joining the ACC will never be able to keep up in the arms race and will wither down to MAC material.
I do think Maryland leaving hurts, but because of a different reason. You are right that they lost money last year. They cannot fill their stadium. Now even with Kevin Plank (owner of Under Armour) throwing tons of money at them they still lose money. The reason is because they will not commit to football. If they would and then they would become better and draw in more money. They will be in the same boat just in a different ocean (B1G). Now the main problem with Maryland leaving the ACC is not because they help the ACC so much as it is that it makes the ACC look week and vulnerable (which it is). It also opens the doors up for other conferences to pluck our members out and it shows us that a 50 million dollar buy out does not scare anyone. I think that Maryland will regret this or at the very least be in the same situation. Maryland has been losing money over the past decade. Yes I would agree even without doing my research. But why is that? Clemson has received the same money from the conference that they have we are not losing money. They have every opportunity to make more then us if they would commit to football first. Clemson does not have a donor close to Kevin Plank. So why is it they are losing money? Because they will not commit to becoming a good football program (I know I'm getting redundant). Paying the ACC 50 million is not going to help their financial situation. Neither is being the bottom dweller in the B1G. Even if the B1G gets more tv money then the ACC how will that help them fill their stadium and sell merchandise? Bottom line is won't. Now a better argument would be about FSU. They are losing money as well. But they are losing money as well. I have not put in the effort to figure out my opinion on why they are so I will not get into that.
Final thoughts how can FSU who has committed to football and has been a solid football program be losing money while Clemson does not? That is where I get confused. Maybe that throws my "commit to football or die argument" out of the window. Clemson is about to be 11-1 this year and we have improved facilities tremendously in the past decade. We have spent tons of money, not just on football either. So why is it that we can do with our athletic budget but FSU cannot? I would like to see the athletic income of Clemson and FSU. I would be willing to bet that FSU brings in more annually then we do. I will have to dive deeper into that and do some research. What are your thoughts on the FSU situation???? I think that the ACC can compete (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) now, but in ten years no we cant. I would love to see Swoffie and his tarheel first approach get booted as fast as possible. He is helping to kill a conference. Screw Raycom. I think there needs to be an investigation about this arrangement with Raycom and his son.

If the ACC dies Swoffie will be the Grim Reaper!

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i must of missed the part about clem and fsu

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if they move now, fsu will go and we must follow

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could then easily see the big 10

Agree w/ 'wait and see' for CU & FSU....

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nd pennst and then i could live with uconn

Assuming what you say about us and the SEC is true, and

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now that i agree with, i think with these national deals its

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