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FB Update: Muhammad Ali to be recognized at Clemson-Louisville game
Sep 15, 2015, 12:04 PM
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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You mean Cassius Clay
Sep 15, 2015, 12:08 PM
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I'm not into the whole "Muslims get to do whatever they want, including make up names" thing.
Willing to wager that he's so excited by the Papa John's crowd that he can't stop shaking.
Too soon?
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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It's 12:07 so...
Sep 15, 2015, 12:12 PM
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I was over due a laugh. Timing is good.
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Legend [16330]
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lol..not to soon for me..
Sep 15, 2015, 12:57 PM
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i dont look at him as some huge hero..dude dodged the draft then changed his name to keep from being caught..not exactly an american hero in my eyes
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Then why didn't he change his name back later
Sep 15, 2015, 4:39 PM
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why did he continue to defend Islam even into the post 9/11 era, making a rare public appearance with Will Smith even though he could barely speak because of his advanced Parkinson's disease?
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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he was a famous Boxer who announced his name change...
Sep 15, 2015, 5:40 PM
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And he didn't go on the run. Get a freaking clue
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Re: he was a famous Boxer who announced his name change...
Sep 15, 2015, 6:50 PM
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He also gave up his title and was facing the possibility of both prison time and never fighting again.
He ALSO knew, beforehand, that he wasn't going to get sent the front lines with a rifle in his hand. The Army wanted to use him as a PR man to sell the war and improve morale for the troops.
Still wouldn't go.
That wasn't cowardice, that was conviction. Agree with his stance or don't, but the guy paid a huge personal price and it took a lot of courage to stick the course in refusing to support what he considered an unjust war...and he was not exactly the only person in America to be against the Vietnam War or the draft at the time. He was also pretty much blacklisted in America until Howard Cosell - shockingly - stood up for him in the media. That situation easily could have stretched into one where his boxing license stayed suspended until well after he was too old to box. But his beliefs were obviously more important to him than money, his career, or the adulation of the public. The guy was the champ and he sat out over three and a half years...from age 25 to almost 29, during the prime years of a boxer's career. In the end, the Supreme Court unanimously exonerated him.
I do respect that.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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That might be how revisionist tell it.
Sep 15, 2015, 7:06 PM
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I remember hearing that he'd changed his name and been drafted about the same time. Strange how the draft made him and Lou Alcindor become suddenly religious. Neither said anything before about anything other than themselves and their sport. It wasn't as if either of them would have been sent to combat like the rest of us.
Clay lost a lot more going about this the wrong way than he would have had he gone about it the right way. The military wouldn't take Lou Alcindor for the cost of putting him in a uniform.
Now Elvis, he's an American hero. I preferred other music but he took the call and served. He never spent a day in Nam and nobody wanted him to.
The way we revise history to fit political rhetoric I suggest everyone listen to their grandparent for accurate information until they learn to ignore the school books and dig for information at the local library.
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Re: That might be how revisionist tell it.
Sep 15, 2015, 7:52 PM
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Elvis was a hero to most, but he never s--t to me/The sucka was racist simple and plain/muthaf--k him and John Wayne!!!
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Orange Blooded [2504]
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Wow Elvis and The Duke...
Sep 16, 2015, 4:42 PM
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...somehow become the enemy in a single post on a football thread.
Take a deep breath man, take it easy on the Kool-Aid.
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Re: That might be how revisionist tell it.
Sep 16, 2015, 12:27 AM
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> I remember hearing that he'd changed his name and > been drafted about the same time. Strange how the > draft made him and Lou Alcindor become suddenly > religious. Neither said anything before about > anything other than themselves and their sport. It > wasn't as if either of them would have been sent to > combat like the rest of us. .... > The way we revise history to fit political rhetoric I > suggest everyone listen to their grandparent for > accurate information until they learn to ignore the > school books and dig for information at the local > library.
Actually, you're revising history. Cassius Clay changed his name to Mohammed Ali right after he KO'd Sonny Liston for the World Heavyweight title in 1964 at the age of 22. He was drafted and refused to be inducted in 1967, was convicted of draft evasion and was sentenced to 5 yrs in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for 3 years. He was exonerated by the U.S. Supreme in 1971.
Ali is a great American, a humanitarian and has been a committed Muslim since his conversion. He is and always has been a man of great integrity and conviction at great personal cost to himself.
The argument you just made, with all do respect, is the same old tired "white version" of the facts that were circulating in the '70's.
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Orange Blooded [4757]
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Never let facts get in the way of a good argument
Sep 16, 2015, 7:02 AM
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Especially when that argument is an opportunity to denigrate a racial and/or religious minority.
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anyone in America can change their name
Sep 15, 2015, 6:51 PM
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legally. Never heard of Ron Artest?
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my wife changed her last name to Smith***
Sep 15, 2015, 7:53 PM
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Yes, but I still call him Ron Artest
Sep 16, 2015, 10:25 AM
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I'm not referring to him by that stupid name he wants me to. Also, Chad Johnson is still Chad Johnson.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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I'm sure that really hurts their feelings***
Sep 16, 2015, 12:54 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97719]
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Bigotry much?
Sep 16, 2015, 4:07 PM
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Are you also against calling William Swinney "Dabo"? And I'm not even going to address you cruel comment towards his Parkinson's disease. You sir, need to have some respect.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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I think I'll avoid the draft...
Sep 15, 2015, 12:10 PM
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I mean the half time entertainment. It's a religious thing with me and it's politically incorrect to disrespect my religion.
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Well duh, he's probably recognized everywhere he goes.***
Sep 15, 2015, 12:11 PM
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Recognized as what?***
Sep 15, 2015, 12:25 PM
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"His Momma name him Clay, I'mon call him Clay."
Sep 15, 2015, 12:55 PM
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nm
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Re: "His Momma name him Clay, I'mon call him Clay."
Sep 16, 2015, 8:10 AM
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Got demmit! If a man wants to be called Muhammad ali, then call him Muhammad ali!
Great scene. Not sure I could quote it verbatim, but one of my favorites.
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The Champ Is Here..The Champ Is Here.. The Champ Is Here***
Sep 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
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A racist draft dodger....sounds about right for Louisville.***
Sep 15, 2015, 4:21 PM
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The greatest fighter to ever step into the ring.............
Sep 15, 2015, 4:38 PM
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Sounds about right!
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So? a piece of crap person.***
Sep 15, 2015, 4:39 PM
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still angry he is the greatest boxer ever***
Sep 15, 2015, 5:37 PM
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Who's white?***
Sep 16, 2015, 12:21 AM
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Re: FB Update: Muhammad Ali to be recognized at Clemson-Louisville game
Sep 15, 2015, 5:14 PM
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Well bless his little liberal heart.
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Re: FB Update: Muhammad Ali to be recognized at Clemson-Louisville game
Sep 15, 2015, 6:56 PM
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White People....smh.
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Well that's nice, but
Sep 15, 2015, 11:14 PM
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isn't it way overdue that he gets a shot at being a head coach?
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Orange Blooded [4265]
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I bet nobody would recognize him if he
Sep 15, 2015, 11:48 PM
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Wore a fake beard and a pair of nose glasses
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never liked him
Sep 16, 2015, 8:42 AM
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I was a Joe Frazier man.
sorry to disappoint the racists and race-baiters out there.
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careful, ali turned on joe calling him an uncle tom & worse.
Sep 16, 2015, 8:51 AM
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joe was even called the white man's champion by some; there are those apologists that may label you anyway.
ali turned on his friend joe frazier. he turned on the man that plead his case in front of the nation & turned on the man that loaned ali money in his great time of need.
it wasn't until much later in their lives that ali offered a piddling apology.
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Could not care less***
Sep 16, 2015, 10:26 AM
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