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FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:13 PM
 

ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"

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Analysts... lol***


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:16 PM
 




Re: Analysts... lol***


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 11:36 PM
 

Bump


I think it's called a WIN***

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:18 PM
 

GO TIGERS!!!

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Kellerman= Knuckle head


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:22 PM
 

Not sure what he's on....but who cares what he thinks.
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Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:22 PM
 

I have 2 boats, therefore I need a paradox.


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:36 PM
 

Nice

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i believe clemson is better than louisville because..


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:22 PM
 

clemson actually beat louisville on the field..that max guy is a schmuck


Re: i believe clemson is better than louisville because..

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:33 PM
 

Arguing who has the better loss is like arguing who's poop looks better. Give me a break. We have betters W's and the head to head.


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:22 PM
 

Lol so funny people will ignore head 2 head.


It's the media's turn to ##### and whine...***


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:23 PM
 




If anyone has ever seen HBO Boxing PPV


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:23 PM
 

You would know Kellermen is just a giant troll.

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Sigh

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:26 PM
 

1) Head to head
2) Same record against a stronger schedule
3) Better wins

You have to inject the subjective eye test to even make this a conversation. What a crock of an argument.

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I can't believe we are even having this discussion...


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:40 PM
 

I just cant.

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"Paradox" must be the term for winning on the field


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:26 PM
 

In the participation trophy world.

Look @ OSU last year. They were a very good team, very good athletes. But they lost the game that they couldn't afford to lose & other teams in the rankings had better opportunities to finish ahead of them. Same case for UL. They lost to us & barring disaster these next 2-3 weeks, gonna be difficult to overcome that. & teams ahead of them (& some behind them) will have better opportunities - better wins, chance @ conference titles, etc. & end of the day, 1 dynamic player & video game #'s can only get you so far if you don't win the games you need to win & you don't have enough meat on the schedule to help you out.

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No wonder we didn't have a playoff for so long.

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:27 PM
 

Some people still think deciding it on the field isn't as good as subjective opinions. What a flawed way to approach things.

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Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:29 PM
 

Kellerman's logic is ridiculous because although Louisville has the "better" loss that loss was to the team you are comparing them too. Head to head wins out 100% of the time when both teams have the same number of losses


Indeed


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:31 PM
 

You don't get into "Better loss" vs "better wins" if two teams played each other and have the same record.

There is no asterisk by the W we earned on that field.

Kellerman is, frankly, either an idiot or (more likely) simply trying to stir chaos for ratings.

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he needs to stick to the sport he knows, boxing***


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:29 PM
 



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It still amazes me that head to head


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:30 PM
 

can so easily go over an analyst's head. It shouldn't be forgotten too that we are 3-0 vs top 25 to their 1-1. And that is a paradox that we are over Louisville? The paradox, clever little Kellerman, would be if Louisville was ranked ahead of us, after having lost to us. Calling them the better team after having lost is ridiculous.

Didn't work for us in January, did it?


Re: It still amazes me that head to head

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:35 PM
 

Correct. If you want to argue that Louisville should be ahead of us than we are the 2015-16 National Champions.


Yep. Well played.***


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 10:20 AM
 




Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:32 PM
 

Another analyst using some bad logic to try and justify putting Louisville over Clemson. Why even play the game anymore if head to head does not matter?

Also anyone looking at the loss as justification is not understanding how the Committee works. It only comes into play if you have similar teams with the same loss. The loss is to us. Nothing else matters at that point. And even the chairman saying last night that head to head is why we did what we did should point that we are gonna be ahead of them the rest of way assuming we win out.


I don't even watch those clowns anymore***


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:34 PM
 




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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:41 PM
 

Congrats Tiger fans! With this rationale, we can claim Co-Natty Champs with Bama last year I suppose. 1 loss each - wasn't by much. Change the signage at Death Valley and pass put the rings.


Any system of ranking teams that literally ignores head-to-

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:44 PM
 

head results has no place in sports.

All of sport is based on the concept that the most objective way to prove which team is better is to put them on the same field at the same time. That should trump any argument.

42-36. End of story.

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UofL has a better loss, but we have a better WIN


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 1:55 PM
 

and that WIN was over them. It really isn't all that hard.

Basically the committee has said that as long as we have 1 loss, we can't fall below a team we beat (and have better wins, overall resume etc)


better WIN(s)

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:14 PM
 

They are 50% against CFP poll teams, we're 4-0.


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:10 PM
 

Pitt might be unranked, but they have a win over top 10 Penn State as well. They also have a 7 point loss on the road against current #11 Oklahoma State, a 1 point loss on the road against UNC who has been in the top 25 off and on for most of the season of the season, and a 3 point loss to VT who has also been in the top 25 off and on for most of the season. The only real bad mark for Pitt was the blowout loss to Miami. You could honestly argue that if Pitt had the same schedule as Louisville that they would be anywhere between 8-2 and 10-0. I say 10-0 since they did actually beat Clemson of course. My main point is that Pitt would be ranked as well with Louisville's schedule, and it's not the horrible loss that many want to make it out to be.


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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:26 PM
 



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I'm a ####### walking paradox


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:29 PM
 

no im not a threesome with a ####### triceratops


'paradox' - wasn't that the name of a styx album?


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:33 PM
 

no. wait. that was 'equinox'.
shut up, dude.


well - THE COMMITTEE obviously thinks differently!!!


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:43 PM
 

Doesn't matter what he thinks anyway.


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 3:15 PM
 

"But #### it, they didn't get it done"


Honestly would LOVE to play UL again.


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 3:22 PM
 

Without turnovers, that game is a blowout. Clemson D shut Jackson down and gave him 5 extra chances to get it done.


BOOOO HOOOO....SUCK ITTTTT. Tigers won!


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 3:31 PM
 

Lmfao


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 3:33 PM
 

FB Update: ESPN anal-yst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Fixed it for you.

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So a good loss is better than a win.***


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 4:17 PM
 



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Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"

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Posted: Nov 16, 2016 8:42 PM
 

Paradox? More like paradix.


We have four top 25 wins, including a win over THEM.


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 9:07 PM
 

Louisville doesn't have nearly the resume we do, plus they LOST to us.

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Why not? This paradox made Ole Miss a share of Natty...


Posted: Nov 16, 2016 9:13 PM
 

last year, did it not?


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 7:44 AM
 

For E$PN it is easy to figure. Louisville is numerically a larger school and in a position to reach a larger potential audience. Clemson has always been a small school with a relatively small number of graduates although we do fill stadiums and travel. It's the same reason TAMU and MO was added to SEC. Numbers. Not to be taken seriously. But we may always be at a numerical (aka Ratings) disadvantage.

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Ranking UL over us might be closer to a paradox, as long as


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 7:57 AM
 

Ranking UL over us might be closer to a paradox, as long as we're abusing the word paradox!


Re: Ranking UL over us might be closer to a paradox, as long as


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 9:01 AM
 

I'm sure he was paid to say that. Hahhaha ESPiN is trying to drum up chaos however they can. For a couple more days until the Tigers hang 70 on Wake


Re: FB Update: ESPN analyst says ranking Clemson over Louisville is a "paradox"


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 10:38 AM
 

A paradox is ranking teams ahead of you that you beat head to head, a team that lost to Iowa with wins over no one with a pulse and one their Quality wins was Penn St that lost to Pitt, and a team that lost to Penn St... oh wait that's a triadox!


Interesting that ACC isn't struggling with this "paradox"


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 10:42 AM
 

Identical 1-loss records, yet Clemson headed to ACCCG. Head to head cited. "Best Loss" irrelevant.


Tried to watch, but


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 10:49 AM
 

couldn't get through it. Steven A is a loud-mouth, and the other guy is an idiot. I know that espn stages these things, and writers give the talking-heads the talking-points, but this is garbage.


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louisville just got paradoxed***

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Para....dat Max - we just do what we do come Saturday!


Posted: Nov 17, 2016 11:55 PM
 

Let's put Wake on their backs.

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