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SCar's defense only had 3 guys drafted and completely shut

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 9:52 AM
 

us down offensively.

LSU had 8, EIGHT, of it's 11 defensive guys drafted... And we made their ### quit!


Re: SCar's defense only had 3 guys drafted and completely shut

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 9:57 AM
 

It all comes down to coaching. Good coaches get the most out of lesser talented players.


Re: SCar's defense only had 3 guys drafted and completely shut

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:02 AM
 

They beat us by keeping our offense off the field . Our defense is much better now. It won't be that easy this year


Re: SCar's defense only had 3 guys drafted and completely shut

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:14 AM
 

They also won because they sacked Boyd at least 4 times and caused two turnovers. The last two years the o lines inability to block their d line has been the reason they've won.


Eh... We had two picks also and get some sacks on Thompson

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:28 AM
 

The reason we lost is because we abandoned our running game after halftime.


Re: Eh... We had two picks also and get some sacks on Thompson

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:00 PM
 

That's not true. Go back and look at the stats.

Clemson opened the first drive with 3 rushes.

2nd drive of the 3rd quarter saw 2 rushes and 3 pass attempts

3rd drive-2 rushes and 2 passes

4th drive-2 rushes and 1 pass

5th drive-2 rushes and 1 pass

That's more passes than rushes in the second half


correction


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:00 PM
 

More rushes than passes


I'm referring to HB runs. Not counting Tajh.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:03 PM
 

Hot Rod was shredding you in the second Q and we stopped running him and Ellington as much in the second half. Watch the film. You'll see what I mean. Hands down the worst play calling I've seen from Chad Morris.


Re: I'm referring to HB runs. Not counting Tajh.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:34 PM
 

Who is your? I don't play for any college.


Re: I'm referring to HB runs. Not counting Tajh.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:35 PM
 

Some of Boyd's runs were designed. Still, it counts as a rush yardage and rushes regardless of the outcome


I assume, by your pulse that you're a coot.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:39 PM
 

And AGAIN. I was referring to using our running backs.... NOT Tajh running, designed or otherwise.


Re: I assume, by your pulse that you're a coot.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:45 PM
 

You have to mix it up some. Morris' O has to have a running QB. That is part of the game plan


Re: I assume, by your pulse that you're a coot.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:55 PM
 

A duck? Pulse has nothing to do with facts. Some people just don't like to deal with them...not saying you, but just saying.


Tajh got greedy with the runs


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:11 PM
 

We ran him a lot in the first half along with Ellington and Hot Rod. But it seemed to me Tajh was too impatient on our WRs and just decided to run as son as he got the snap.
We didn't use our RBs much in the 2nd half, and when we did we ran lateral runs, not vertical like in the first half. The main weakness I've seen in our RBs is the fact they try to run around the defenders. We need to run THROUGH them. Just look at Eddie Lacy.


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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:13 PM
 




most of those rushes were called pass plays that broke down


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:25 PM
 

and Tajh scrambled.


Re: most of those rushes were called pass plays that broke down


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:35 PM
 

That would be attributed to a strong defense breaking it down, which would cause rushes. Some of the QB runs were designed


Re: Eh... We had two picks also and get some sacks on Thompson


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 7:28 PM
 

> The reason we lost is because we abandoned our
> running game after halftime.

this, except it seemed more like the 1st quarter.


Re: Eh... We had two picks also and get some sacks on Thompson


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 7:45 PM
 

eh, the reason we lost is we could not get their offense off the field. yes, we had 2 picks. we also dropped 3 right in our hands. 19 play drive by that dreadful coot offense was sickening to watch. how many third and a million did we let them convert. offense gets kinda stale sitting on the sideline for 8 minute chunks. that defense will be muuuuuuuuuuuuuch better this year, i have no doubt.

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How is our defense better now?


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:52 PM
 

Not saying you're wrong, but just wondering what you are using to base this assumption off of. Our D looked great against LSU, but don't forget there were exposed a lot all season, and looked pathetic against SCar. I'm pleased with the LSU game, but I'm not one to believe that one game magically cured our defensive woes. They will have more experience after another offseason of coaching, but I will wait to see how they play against Georgia before I call them "much better." Maybe I'm just cynical.


7, Mathieu didn't play last year.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 9:58 AM
 

But point taken anyway.

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:03 AM
 




Spurrier seems to always get great DCs


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 10:00 AM
 

their players on D are never really THAT much better than ours.

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Re: Spurrier seems to always get great DCs


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:16 PM
 

True, so true. The difference for the past four years has been in the coaching, on both sides of the ball. Theirs are simply better than ours, at least when we're playing them.


Just proves SCar lucked up again***


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 10:50 AM
 



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Re: Just proves SCar lucked up again***


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 10:56 AM
 

Proves you slow down clowknee you can beat them.


This


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 10:58 AM
 

let's see how their D is after this year

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:-V


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:13 AM
 

Them beating us last year was in our inability to get off the field defensively. I think we ran about 60 plays , which is about 40 fewer than we did vs LSU. Our offense became too one dimensional in the second half as we inexplicably abandoned the run...which worked wonders in the first half. We have to be aggressive defensively against Spurrts' offense..the nickel and cover two have never been effective against his scheme. Never. Bobby B used to beat him by bringing the LBs up and forcing it with man coverage. I believe we are about twice as good up front as we have been in a decade or so, this year we will need to prove it.

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WHY CHAD??? WHY?


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:15 AM
 

WHY DID YOU ABANDON THE RUN??


Re: WHY CHAD??? WHY?

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:13 PM
 

Might be when Ward made some defensive adjustments to counter the run? Just a thought, like bringing up a hybrid LB/DB closer to the line? But hey, everyone on this board is far smarter than Chad, especially in that game, huh? Also maybe they knew our receivers couldn't deal with press contact off the line, which we've seen against them for 4 straight years. Then there's that great O-line protection against JDC and co.


Heym @sshat. I was kidding. Lighten up francis.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 2:52 PM
 

Of course I'm not smarter than Chad, but no one can deny that it was his worst game plan/playcalling since he's been on staff.


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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 2:54 PM
 




Actually I agree on '11 USC,


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:02 PM
 

but the other two were defensive losses.


Our defense didn't turn it over 8 times vs GT and NCSU...


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:19 PM
 

Not many defenses are going to overcome 4 tos a game...


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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:28 PM
 




Bad gameplan/playcalling....***


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:49 PM
 




How is tajh losing a fumble or throwing a pick bad playcalli


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:13 PM
 

ng? Are you serious?


Re: How is tajh losing a fumble or throwing a pick bad playcalli

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 9:06 PM
 

Morris' achilles, at least to me, is his inability to adjust. I think that is what the other poster was saying


GT was dropping their LBs back into the passing lanes and we


Posted: May 1, 2013 12:08 AM
 

failed to adjust...


Re: :-V


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:33 PM
 

No. Had more rushes than passes in 2nd half


It all boils down to physicality.


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:26 AM
 

The coots have physically dominated us the past 4 years. Especially in the trenches.

Until we start playing more physical and getting an effective pass rush on them, it won't change.

I think Venables 2nd year with new additions will prove to possibly bring Tiger D back!!

O-line can learn something from Norton. Nasty tough mentality.

Go Tigers!! Keep working hard! This could be a special year.


Clowney


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:05 PM
 

Clowney single-handedly won that game for SC last year. That's the difference between LSU and SC's defenses.


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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 7:21 PM
 



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Re: SCar's defense only had 3 guys drafted and completely shut

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 2:51 PM
 

Because of coaching...Clemson ran 19 plays in the second half I think. Shoot, after the first quarter Clemson only scored 3 points while SC scored 20. This is all coaching, Clemson had a better gameplan coming in but Spurrier and Co. adjusted offensively and defensively while Clemson could not.


The big difference in the SCar game and the LSU game was

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 3:46 PM
 

the practice time between the two. All during the season, Venables is getting them ready for the next opponent. Having the extra bowl prep time was a the key to the D's showing up in Atlanta. It should only get better from here out considering who is coming back both this year and next. The DBs are the question mark as everyone knows. If that comes together, it's gonna be fun.

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NO


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 7:03 PM
 

Youre not cynical , just a doubting Thomas ;)

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Posted: Apr 30, 2013 7:20 PM
 



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Make no mistake... S.C. offense beat us that night. They


Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:41 PM
 

played keep away. Same as UGA will try.

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Re: Got blasted last year for pointing it out and will again

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Posted: May 1, 2013 10:29 AM
 

this summer, but SC is a bad matchup and it was proven again even with a backup QB in his 2nd start in November.

Clemson's strengths do not match up with SC weaknesses as a team, while SC strengths attack Clemson's main weaknesses almost perfectly.

SC negates Clemson's primary asset, which is speed at the skill position, by physically re-routing the Clemson targets in their routes which gives the dominant SC DL time to get to the QB. Clemson is not built and isn't going to BAMA anybody for 40 mins with a power running game.

On offense, SCs balanced offense has simply overmatched Clemson average defense for the past 4 years because Clemson has an inability to shut down both components of a balanced offense. If Clemson loads up to stop SC running game like they did in 2010\2012 then SC has burnt them by passing, when Clemson has change to trying to shut down the pass...then SC simply goes back to power running game to get 1st downs and burn the clock.

And this is the point where the blasting comes....for 2013, the situation has only gotten worst...SC main weakness will be at the LB position due to inexperience but Clemson has lost the players who could have taken advantage of that problem....Ellington\Ford. SC will be stronger at CB\DL and on offense SC looks to be even more balanced and return experienced solid QBs who have both had stellar days vs Clemson.

SC is a bad matchup.


Comparisons


Posted: May 1, 2013 10:58 AM
 

Clemson has a soft defense. The LBs stink. You beat LSU because Les Miles is an idiot. LSU's defensive line dominated Clemson's line for 55 minutes of that game... Which really shows how great Boyd played. Carolina is better right now.


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