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Dagger to the heart of the Big XII....
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Feb 2, 2013, 1:04 PM

pipe dreams I know...BUT IF Swofford could somehow entice ND to join fully and then tell WVU we made a mistake and would like for them to join? Take that ensemble and go to ESecPN and demand more money or the ACC opens up a bidding war. Maybe NBC or Fox would step up?

The Big XII moving so slowly and wishy-washyness has got to be pi$$in WVU off. WVU is positioned at the fence way out in left field while the rest of the conference is meeting on the mound.

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Feb 2, 2013, 1:06 PM

well he cant and he wont. it isnt a swofford thing its an ND thing.

for 30 years they have been too arrogant to join the big 10 they certainly arent going to join the ACC. they arent joining any conference period

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I saw an article where the Big 10 has blackballed ND from


Feb 2, 2013, 1:18 PM

their conference. I do realize it started out with ND being arrogant, but it's a mutual effort at this time.

Big 10 wants revenue, ND isn't willing to share it's football revenue.

At some point ND should be forced to not get shared revenue in any sport within a conference, since they refuse to share their wealth in football.

The conference gets exposure and ND is free as a semi-indy. That's what ND wants, then that's what they get. If they find something they like better, then by all means let them go. We don't need them, we need a strong 16 team conference. If that's 16 plus a half ND, fine.

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Feb 2, 2013, 1:20 PM [ in reply to Re: Dagger to the heart of the Big XII.... ]

It's not arrogance, it's partially principle and partially economics. All those years ago they applied to join the Big Ten but were kept out because of anti-Catholic bigotry. And for around 20 years, they have commanded their own TV contract.

I expect them to raise the number of ACC games they play from 5, but don't expect full membership. They may even end up playing a full 8 games some years, with USC, Purdue, Stanford and Navy always balancing the schedule. But they'll stay "technically" independent.

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There's animosity between big 10 and ND that is as old as


Feb 2, 2013, 1:27 PM [ in reply to Re: Dagger to the heart of the Big XII.... ]

College football itself. At one time ND asked to join the big 10 and were turned down. They swore never to join the big 10 after that.

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Re: Dagger to the heart of the Big XII....


Feb 2, 2013, 1:07 PM

If ND joined full time we would be at 16 and would probably not take a 17th.

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Feb 2, 2013, 1:14 PM

No, it'd be 15.

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wrong...Louisville took MD's spot so we are technically at


Feb 2, 2013, 2:22 PM [ in reply to Re: Dagger to the heart of the Big XII.... ]

14 but you are right don't see the ACC going beyond 16.

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you lost me at ND fully joining the acc....***


Feb 2, 2013, 1:19 PM



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Or


Feb 2, 2013, 1:21 PM

just ask Texas to join partially like ND. Big X12 would fold. Both Oklahoma schools to PAC 12 or SEC. Iowa St., Kansas to Big Ten. WVU to ACC. Everybody else fend for themselves.

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That would be the best case scenario. WVU joining and


Feb 2, 2013, 1:48 PM

ND joining full time. We would be contiguous throughout, even to Notre Dame. I would even prefer that than the impossible hope of SEC. I think one day Notre Dame will join full time. I think they will have to at some point. I do not know if the ACC will ever wise up and invite WVU, or if WVU would be able to get out of the Big12 at this point. THat may just be undoable.

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Feb 2, 2013, 2:24 PM

WVU to the ACC makes perfect sense... unfortunately our wonderful.. ahem.. ACC leadership basically told them they were too stupid to join our conference so I doubt they would come unless the ACC was their last option.

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Feb 2, 2013, 2:28 PM

Here's how Swoffie can get ND committed:

Call'em on the phone and talk like a girl.

Just sayin'

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Re: Dagger to the heart of the Big XII....


Feb 2, 2013, 2:42 PM

I think ultimately the 5 Major Conferences (ACC, SEC, Big 10, PAC 10, and Big 12) each expand to 16 teams and then a 6th Conference of remnants is formed to have 96 teams. Each Conference has 2 Divisions and a Conference Championship Game; then the 6 Conference Champions and 2 Wild Card teams have a Playoff. They also tell the NCAA to GTH, so they can rewrite the rules.

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What is this love affair so many here seem to have with WVU?


Feb 2, 2013, 3:02 PM

They'd be an awful choice, academically and sports-wise. They've had some good years, but they're just really not that special, which I think the past year in the Big 12 pretty much confirmed.

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No love affair just a better add than say Cincy or UConn***


Feb 2, 2013, 7:21 PM



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ND doing well this year kills them even thinking


Feb 2, 2013, 4:45 PM

about joining.

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Re: Dagger to the heart of the Big XII....


Feb 2, 2013, 4:48 PM

It doesn't matter it WVU fans are pissed off being in the Big 12....they can't leave

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can't never could do anything. if there is a will, there is


Feb 2, 2013, 6:34 PM

a way. blanket statements like "they can't leave" are almost impossible to back-up.

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Re: can't never could do anything. if there is a will, there is


Feb 2, 2013, 9:50 PM

here's my backup


http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/54878/big-12-cements-future-wallets-and-revival

Here's a quick explanation of the grant of rights:

... if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference.


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this might help flesh it out some for you...


Feb 2, 2013, 9:57 PM

Myth of the Big 12's Grant of Rights

Published on: January 03, 2013 |
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By Jason Hutzler

That a grant of rights prevents conferences from being raided is a myth. The Big 12 is still vulnerable because Texas and Oklahoma are still in play to be gobbled up in conference realignment. To give you some background, I am a contract lawyer in Phoenix. I litigate a lot of contracts. Some that have liquidated damages clauses and some that don't.

At the end of the day, the liquidated damages clause is essentially an estimate by the parties of the expectant damages in the case of a breach. The liquidated damage clause cannot be used to punish the breaching party, but is used to indemnify the non-breaching party. An exit fee provision is a liquidated damage clause. Because it cannot be used to punish, they are often negotiated down from the stated fee.

Contracts that don't have a liquidated damage clause have two remedies available to the non-breaching party; specific performance and compensatory damages. Contract law enforces the expectancy interests between contracting parties, providing redress for parties who fail to receive the benefit of their bargain. However, courts rarely use specific performance as a remedy, especially in an instance when compensatory damages are easily calculated.

A grant of rights is a contract between each individual school and the conference pledging the school's media rights to conference for a number of year. Like all contracts, it can be broken. School X, member of Conference A who has granted its media rights to Conference A, thinks it can make more money in Conference B. So School X leaves Conference A for Conference B placing its media rights in Conference B. Now School X's games will be distributed by both confernces. At this point School X has breached the grant of rights agreement, Conference A will sue School X over the media rights under the grant of rights agreement.

Conference A would love to force School X to leave its media rights with Conference A, requesting a court require specific performance of the grant of rights. This is the threat of the grant of rights, the tie that binds so to speak. If a court were to elect the specific performance remedy then School X of course provides no value to Conference B. However, because specific performance is often difficult to enforce and requires more of the court's resources most courts rarely ever use this remedy.

Courts are even less inclined to use it when there is an easy way to calculate damages. The resulting damages from a breach of grant of rights are easily calcualable. There is no reason to believe that a court would require specific performance in a suit over a breach of a grant of rights.

The court is going to look at the value and duration of the media rights deal between Conference A and the networks. Then it will look at the duration of the grant of rights by School X to Conference A. Is the media rights deal worth less for the remainder of the grant of rights. If it is then this is the measure of damages School X must pay Conference A. My premise is that the networks have never reduced their payout to an existing contract, and there is no evidence they will going forward.

In 2003, the Big East is raided for two of its name brand schools, and a regionally significant school. The Big East added some lesser brands, and their media partners did not reduce their ongoing media deal. 2010, the Big 12 lost 2 schools in Colorado and Nebraska, did not replace those schools, and the Big 12 lost a significant amount of content (1/6th) in football and basketball. The Big 12's media partners did not reduce the payout on existing contracts but actually negotiated for more money on an expiring one. 2011, Texas A&M and Missouri left, the Big 12 replaced them with less valuable TV properties in TCU and WVU, and neither ESPN or FOX required a reduction in the payout to the Big 12. 2012, Maryland leaves the ACC for the Big 10, ACC replaces them with a less valuable media property. Not a single word is mentioned about a reduced payout for the ACC.

Networks, and one specifically, won't reduce the amount they pay to the conferences because it would violate their fiduciary duties to the conferences. Because one network (ESPN) has a hand in every league's media deal (except new Big East if it even exists) it can't in good faith pay one league more for raiding one league, then reducing its payout to league that was raided.

Because there is no evidence there would be a reduced payout to the league, the damages calculation is simple. The media deal for Conference A remains unchanged despite School X leaving, therefore there would be no damages for breach of grant of rights. The Big 12 grant of rights runs concurrently to media deals. So unless the networks change their strategy and go against precedent and start reducing the payouts to leagues, the only thing that binds these schools is money. Once the SEC starts its network there will be a new conference shuffle, and the Big 12 is still vulnerable.

http://outkickthecoverage.com/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights.php

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