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Can someone who is pro choice please explain this logic

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:43 AM
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Well, if one of those bald eagles are born

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:48 AM
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with a one leg shorter than the other the mama eagle will snap it’s neck and toss it out of the nest. Is that something we should legally be allowed to do?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:52 AM
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Last I checked people will get bent out of shape

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:50 AM
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If you go around stabbing pregnant women

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:54 AM
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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:56 AM
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in fields surrounded by a horde of cavalrymen with ponytails.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:06 AM
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Can't see your image but...

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:01 AM
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Help me with this. Why do you, or anyone for that matter, think abortion is actually a valid election issue every year?

It isn't. Politicians trick you into thinking it is.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:13 AM
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Finally, I agree with Cat.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 12:14 PM
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It’s not an issue for me. I just think this is one of the many examples of how liberals have completely lost their minds.


Well, please explain.


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 2:08 PM
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For some reason, you image isn't coming through.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 2:10 PM
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imgur work for you?

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Ah, I see it now.


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 2:36 PM
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So, let me ask: I didn't realize protecting wildlife was a concept only reserved for pro-choicers.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:03 AM
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I imagine the penalties for killing sea turtles and

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:13 AM
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bald eagles will drop substantially when their respective population totals reach 7,594,000,000.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:32 AM
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Exactly. If there were eight billion Eagles would be paying people to kill them.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 12:15 PM
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I’d be all for thinning the herd if we could get rid of the bums you Democrats keep creating and entitling.


If one Eagle kept all the worms for him-self creating a


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 3:09 PM
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letting all the other's know he'd let them trickle down....but then that never happened....then the rest of the smart Eagles would vote against that Eagle.


But some of the Eagles are too dumb to realize it ain't ever gonna happen so they keep voting for the Eagle with all the worms because....socialism.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:29 AM
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Because of endangerment issues. If we were worried about human beings becoming an endangered species it may be different.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:03 AM
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How many humans do we need then?

Sounds like your tone is suggesting we have too many already...

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:20 AM
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Who's to say? There definitely isn't a shortage of humans. It could be said that there are already too many humans on Earth when you look at the pollution and destruction of the environment.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:51 AM
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I feel like you’re saying the quiet part out loud right now!

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:01 AM
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What? That we have too many people on earth?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 12:23 PM
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Late term abortion is murder in my opinion.


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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 1:01 PM
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At least some of them are admitting it’s about population control.


You're too mentally deficient to understand.***


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 1:32 PM
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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 2:21 PM
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That’s it. Everyone who is pro life is just too stupid to see it your way.


No, you're just too stupid to understand what words are


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 2:39 PM
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being said to you and to what argument is being made.

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Re: No, you're just too stupid to understand what words are


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 4:48 PM
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Sorry I must have missed someone actually making an argument.


Oof, you really are dense.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 5:07 PM
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"Can someone who is pro choice please explain this logic" - submits picture of highly endangered species who have fines if eggs are destroyed.

Two separate responses of why those fines exist, and how comparing it to human abortion is an awful analogy.

You then decided to go "at least some of them are admitting it's about population control"

You're simply just stupid.

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Re: Oof, you really are dense.


Posted: Oct 19, 2020 6:05 PM
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"I imagine the penalties for killing sea turtles and

bald eagles will drop substantially when their respective population totals reach 7,594,000,000."

In other words, it's about population control.

If you don't see how that statement is saying exactly that, YOU are the idiot.


What truly makes one an idiot...


Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:57 AM
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Is someone who uses memes as "factual" evidence to attempt to prove their point.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:03 AM
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What is not factual in the meme?

It’s illegal to kill unborn sea turtles.

It’s illegal to kill unborn bald eagles.

It’s legal to kill unborn humans.

And the response is that there are a lot of humans so it’s ok.

What am I missing?


I can't imagine being in that position

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 2:51 PM
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The idea of a late term abortion is very disturbing, but the circumstances around these (which make up only 1.3 percent of all abortions) generally boil down to a case of it being absolutely necessary to save the woman's life, or lose both of them. You don't have women about to give birth who suddenly go, "Oh, you know what, I don't want this after all." Not after carrying that baby to term.

I've never been in that situation. I can't imagine having to make that decision. But if I was and it came down to saving my wife's life, I'm going with it.

Maybe try to think about these scenarios, do some research, and have a little empathy.

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Lack of empathy...

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 3:34 PM
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Appears to be a big reason why we have gotten into some of the problems we have now. Trump isn't capable of it, and his supporters now think that's acceptable.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 3:43 PM
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Most of his supporter can't spell empathy.

Look at the crowds at his rallys. It looks like a busy Saturday night in an Alabama jail.

Bigoted white rednecks isn't a large enough base to get reelected.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 4:47 PM
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But it was a large enough base to get elected despite people like you guaranteeing a loss.

It's sad that some of you have got to enjoy a Trump presidency. You'd be ###### if Hillary had won.


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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 8:33 PM
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If a baby can survive outside the womb. Its murder plain and simple. You can dress it up anyway you like but it is murder.


Okay, so let's see if you can be capable of empathy here.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:52 AM
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Let's say you and your wife are given the news, shortly before birth, that the only way to save your wife's life is to have a late-term abortion. The baby may or may not survive if born, but your wife will certainly die.

If you and her decide to go with an abortion, are you murderers? Are you going to advocated your wife going to prison if she makes the choice to save her own life?

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:33 AM
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You just described the only situation in which abortion should be legal.


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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 1:33 PM
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Re: Can someone who is pro choice please explain this logic

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 3:30 PM
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The idea is that the Government shouldn't be able to tell a woman what to do with her own body. For "small govt" conservatives, pro-life is a perplexing stand.

Put another way:

If your neighbor has a girlfriend over, it's none of your business.
If your neighbor has sex with girlfriend, none of your business.
If girlfriend get pregnant, non of your business.
What she decides to do with her pregnancy, still none of your business.

Pro-life is fundamentally driven by religious belief. Religious laws have no place
in a secular govt.

Simply put, if you don't like abortion, don't get one.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 4:40 PM
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I'm not religious at all.

So the government can't prevent someone from denying an individual the right to live but they can tell an employer what he has to pay someone to work for him?


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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 5:06 PM
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Those particular eggs you showed us are viable entities on their own. The other big problem with your analogy is that a human fertilized embryo cannot survive on its own. Its needs the mother to gestate.

What if she, for a variety of reasons, does not wish to or feels she can't?

Your position is that the woman has to then involuntarily serve as a incubator...for a baby she neither wants nor can likely care for.

Throughout time, the problem has always been: how do you enforce that? Coercively? And do you have a plan to then step in and ensure the baby's needs are met once born? I very much doubt it. Because that sounds like...socialism. And I've seen you frothing at the mouth about just how very much you hate socialism.

The same people who fight so vociferously for a baby's right to life seem to care shockingly little for that infant when it's actually born. It's kind of bizarre.


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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 6:11 PM
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"The same people who fight so vociferously for a baby's right to life seem to care shockingly little for that infant when it's actually born."

Do you have any examples of this? Sounds like a talking point.

The pro life side encourages values that do not include engaging in activity that lead to needing to get rid of a problem.....and it is a proven fact that the majority of abortions are done for that simple, irresponsible reason.


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Posted: Oct 19, 2020 7:09 PM
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The "reason" doesn't really matter. At the end of the day if you try to force women to be incubators against their will, the gender will turn on you. They've enjoyed that right since 1973; trying to strike it down 47 years later isn't going to go well. Women have always exercised that right as far back as medieval times and probably longer, they just did it back alleys, often at extreme risk to themselves.

As far as the statement: "those who fight so vociferously for a child's life seem to care shockingly little for that infant when it's actually born" statement, it's pretty self explanatory. You stipulate that a woman must have a child if she becomes pregnant whether she wishes to or not because, well, if she's a s!ut that's just on her, now isn't it? And of course, you still haven't answered exactly: if you're going to force her to have this child she probably can't provide for, what are you going to do to help her out afterwards so she can provide for that child?


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 6:52 AM
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There are many ways pro lifers help women who are thinking about aborting. Here’s one from my neck of the woods.

https://www.myhorrynews.com/news/business/coastline-women-s-center-provides-support-for-expectant-mothers/article_f5505ec0-eff8-11e7-9e11-e33d2c82a0ac.html



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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:00 AM
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Sounds like they really don't do much for the child after birth. That said, I'm surprised to read that one out of four women have an abortion.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:57 AM
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Don’t do much for the child?

Just not killing the child is a good start- don’t ya think?

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:02 AM
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After birth.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:00 AM
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They help the mother actually take responsibility....what a concept.

There are multiple other ways society helps children who have no one to care for them. Quozzel’s statement is nothing but a ridiculous liberal talking point that is completely untrue.


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:06 AM
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The people in that article you gave don't really do much after birth. I think you may have supported his point.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:11 AM
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I’d say they are doing a lot for the baby post birth by all they do for the mother pre birth. And like I said, there are tons of organizations that help abandoned children. His statement was idiotic.


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 8:15 AM
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He actually has a good point to be fair.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 9:01 AM
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His “point” is nothing but a deflection.

It would be like me saying I should be able to murder that homeless guy because nobody cares about him anyway.


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 9:13 AM
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He doesn't see the fetus as murder the way you do. His point is though that you really don't care after birth.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 9:32 AM
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That’s not a point though Carl. That’s just a ridiculous assumption and I can give him examples of pro life organizations who do plenty for abandoned children.


Let's be clear on what you are wanting and it's effects

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 10:09 AM
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If the religious right gets what they want, an overturning of Roe v Wade, you will get rid of legal abortion. YOU WILL NOT STOP ABORTION. Now, you will have an increase in women who use other methods of abortion that are MUCH more dangerous to themselves. So instead of getting rid of one life, you will end two.

Let's also cut the bull #### yall like to spew.

LATE TERM ABORTIONS AS A MEANS OF BIRTH CONTROL DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Late term abortions are a travesty to the woman who has spend 9 months preparing for this child to now have to make the unfathomable decision of their life over the baby's.

I can not and don't want to even think about having to make a decision like that.

But yet you Jesus followers will be more than happy to stand outside and yell that that woman killed her baby.

Spare us the righteous indignation bull ####.

If you want to get rid of unwanted pregnancies and subsequent abortions, TEACH BIRTH CONTROL METHODS OTHER THAN ABSTINANCE IN SCHOOLS AND PROVIDE THESE BIRTH CONTROL METHODS FREE OF CHARGE AND TO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY WHO WANTS THEM.

But no, they're #####. They're on their own. Should have been more like Mary.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 10:13 AM
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Has nothing to do with religion for me.

And I care much more about the baby than the ##### who couldn’t keep her legs closed and the POS that can’t take responsibilities for his mistakes.


There it is. Thanks for proving my point***

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 10:20 AM
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If a woman’s life is threatened by not aborting the baby I’m not against it. She has the right to choose to live.

However, I am against taking care of a problem, which is the reason for the vast majority of abortions.


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:20 AM
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The more abortions the better in my opinion. That said, if it weren't illegal it wouldn't bother me either. It's not an important issue to me.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:46 AM
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At least you’ll admit that it’s simply about the world becoming over populated.

But, if life means no more than that to you I think you could come up with a more productive way of thinning the herd.


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:49 AM
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I guess we start with birth control and I guess that includes abortion. Of course abortion should be the last option though.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 12:11 PM
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What about removing individuals that have proven not to be a productive member of society?

How is ending a life any more immoral than denying one?


You are naive and, can't believe I'm about to say this...


Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:28 AM
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Lack critical thinking (usually people who say this on this board don't possess it themselves).

What part do you not understand that a woman having a late-term abortion isn't doing it for birth control? Why is that hard for you to grasp?

Also, why is it hard for you to understand that if you make abortion illegal, it will continue to happen and result in even more loss of life?

Also, would you favor requiring all men to have vasectomies and then reverse them when they want kids?

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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:44 AM
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I never said anything about late term abortion except that it should be allowed if the mothers life is in jeopardy.

Abortions would continue to happen on a much smaller scale if illegal, and if people want to risk their life instead of owning up to a mistake that is their choice.

The logic you lefties bring to the table is baffling. You want to encourage these negative behaviors. And yes that’s exactly what you are doing by making abortions so readily accessible.

Just like when a criminal fights and threatens a cop, then suffers the consequences, you want to point to law enforcement as the problem. No the problem is the criminal made a bad choice, usually multiple bad choices.


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 7:58 AM
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I'll take pro lifers seriously when they express as much outrage towards IVF clinics as they do Planned Parenthood. Kind of destroys their "life begins at the moment of conception" narrative.


And get to spend $25,000 minimum for the right to


Posted: Oct 20, 2020 11:00 AM
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kill off a couple embryos that don't stack up.

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