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The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .
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The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 12:06 AM

Keep expectations depressingly low. You see, this year, going 15-15 and finishing 9th in conference, was a good year. Except it's not. Yes, injuries were a factor, and yes, our guys played hard and gave tremendous effort in spite of the challenges. I applaud them for that. But objectively, we have to have the courage and the common sense to realize that this was not a good year for our basketball program; it was a bad year, and we should not be afraid to say it. Anything else is delusional nonsense.

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Attack the basket more, set feet before shooting threes,


Mar 9, 2020, 1:32 AM

Keep Hemenway away from handling ball, and on weakest opponent on D. Play Curran Scott in place of Trapp, try playing 7 footer some along side Amir.

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Re: Attack the basket more, set feet before shooting threes,


Mar 9, 2020, 7:44 AM

Re: Handling the ball. You might wish to include reducing Amir's need to handle the ball. He had 5 TOs on Friday PM vs. GT. This season's squad was not well-schooled in securing the basketball too many times.

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Re: Attack the basket more, set feet before shooting threes,


Mar 10, 2020, 6:16 PM [ in reply to Attack the basket more, set feet before shooting threes, ]

This^

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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 7:49 AM

this has always been my strategy with women.

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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 8:07 AM

heck, I lowered my standards and still can't get a date. May have to go even lower.

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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 8:09 AM

I can get pretty much any single mother of 4 kids in Florida that I want.

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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 8:23 AM

Maybe I'm doing it wrong and not holding my mouth right.

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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 10, 2020, 6:54 PM [ in reply to Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . . ]

I gotta demand pigs. Now please.

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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 7:49 AM

This year was certainly not a good year if you just look at the record.

But there are reasons out of anyone's control as to why we played so poorly at the beginning of the year. Sure Brownell could have recruited better, but there aren't many coaches out there that could have had as successful as a season with our roster.

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Poor finish was very disappointing....***


Mar 9, 2020, 12:39 PM



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Very successful year


Mar 9, 2020, 10:51 AM

That is your opinion which I don’t agree with.

We beat the top three teams in our league, finally broke the historic UNC demon and finished in the middle of the pack after most thought we would be lucky to finish with more than 6 wins.

I know you think we should win the ACC every year but most adults acknowledge that it doesn’t work that way in the real world.

You will be disappointed with Clemson basketball most every year of your life with your level of expectation but I do applaud your passion for being the best.

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Re: Very successful year- overall succesful


Mar 9, 2020, 11:16 AM

inconsistency and fading down the stretch dampened the enthusiasm. Overall though winning nine games given our number of new players was a nice year.

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Why didn't we have enough good, experienced players


Mar 9, 2020, 12:12 PM

returning, instead of having to rely upon a bunch of unknown, inexperienced newbs? That's not a valid excuse, that is part of the problem.

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Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year.


Mar 9, 2020, 12:09 PM [ in reply to Very successful year ]

You can't because I didn't. You are making stuff up and totally mischaracterizing my position. My expectations are this: Make the NCAA Tournament most years. It's that simple. That would mean, for Brownell, we should have beeen to the NCAA 6 times (instead of 2) in 10 years. I don't see anything far-fetched or unrealistic about that. As for this year in particular, why on earth would we ever expeect any basketball team to go 6-14 in conference? When expectations are that low for a coach in his 10th year, It's screaming "SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE!". If your expectations are that incredibly low, they will probably be met.

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Re: Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year.


Mar 9, 2020, 3:49 PM

If you think getting to the NCAA 6 out of 10 years is rational, I don’t know why you don’t expect to win the ACC every other year. They are both as likely.

The ACC will (in general) get 6-7 teams in the Tourney. I just don’t see us getting in the top 6-7 consistently. You obviously do, which is just a point of difference between us. Tourney Basketball isn’t like getting to a bowl game in football, with the added challenge of many more teams playing basketball. The math just dictates we are not making the NCAA tourney consistently.

But go ahead, find a coach you like and let’s see how it goes. My bet is you’ll be retyping your post or we will have to go all SEC with our boosters.

And for the record, I like this team and they had a very good year. Next years team should be able to build on this year and hopefully make the NCAAs.

I’ll let you have the last word.

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Again, the lower the expectations, the more likely they


Mar 10, 2020, 1:07 AM

will be met. Yes, I disagree with the notion that just because we have always been mediocre in basketball, we are destined to always be mediocre. It is my belief that if we continue to do things as we've always done them, we will get the same results. On the flip side, if we do things differently, we can get different results. I do believe we can change it; if not, what are we even doing? Why are we doing it? Are we really admitting, that as a program, this is it . . . that there is no point in raising the bar and trying to be better than we have traditionally been? I don't think so. I certainly hope not. Besides, both Barnes and OP got us to the NCAA 3 straight years. It can be done.

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Do the people who always cite Rick and OP's runs realize


Mar 10, 2020, 12:40 PM

why they left in a hurry?

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Mar 10, 2020, 7:08 PM [ in reply to Again, the lower the expectations, the more likely they ]

I agree. Take the football team. Go years of just playing and not accomplishing much. Get Dabo and now we are at the top. It could happen in basketball. They is absolutely no reason we can’t be good. Look how many other teams in the ACC have won national championships. We could be as good as they are. Right now, we will NEVER get there and it has nothing to do with facilities. It is all coaching and recruiting.

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Re: Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year.


Mar 10, 2020, 1:52 PM [ in reply to Re: Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year. ]

Why do you believe we cannot be a top 6 ACC basketball team consistently? I just don't understand.

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Re: Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year.


Mar 10, 2020, 6:49 PM [ in reply to Re: Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year. ]

The ACC used to get 6-7 when it was a 9 team league. The ACC should get 8-10 teams a year but the Big East teams all pretty much crapped the bed when they came over. That we aren't capitalizing while the conference is down doesn't bode well. The team we'll return is as good today as they'll be at the start of next season and they couldn't defend home court against GT or beat a middling VT team in either of their final games. The ACC is down because across the board the conference is young. The whole narrative that we are poised for a run of good years is a fallacy. The rest of the conference is returning similar amounts of productivity. We do have a good by our standard recruiting class coming in - but its only ranks 8th in the ACC. We'll be treading water next year just like 80% of Brownell's years.

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Have we EVER had a 10 year stretch where we made it to


Mar 9, 2020, 4:02 PM [ in reply to Show me where I said I expect us to win the ACC every year. ]

the Dance six times? Why you you think something we have NEVER done should be the expectation? Is THAT remotely reasonable?

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I'll tell you what is not reasonable: To think that just


Mar 10, 2020, 1:11 AM

because we've never done it, we never can, or that we should not aim higher. Our past does not have to limit our future. There is no reason that we can't, as long as we don't do the things that kept us from getting there in the past.

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Oh come on, you sound like a Gamecock talking about


Mar 10, 2020, 12:39 PM

winning the SEC in football...You're better than that...What exactly are these "things" (that we actually have control of) that have kept us from being successful in the past?

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You tell me - you are the one using our past failures and


Mar 10, 2020, 4:02 PM

our sad history as reasons to keep expectations low now and going forward. Therefore, I assume you think there isn't much hope of being better, and that there are things intrinsic to Clemson that can't be overcome. You tell me what those things are and why they can't be overcome.

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They are the same obstacles that Mouth Carolina faces in FB.***


Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 AM



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Re: Have we EVER had a 10 year stretch where we made it to


Mar 10, 2020, 1:54 PM [ in reply to Have we EVER had a 10 year stretch where we made it to ]

We never won 10 games 10 years in a row in football but that is the expectation. We never made it to back to back natties but yet we have done that twice now in 5 years and it was expected of us to do so. Why can our football team have high expectations and then surpass them but yet our basketball team cannot??

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Apples and Oranges comparison guy***


Mar 10, 2020, 3:08 PM



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It's a great, appropriate comparison.


Mar 10, 2020, 4:06 PM

Just because it's never been done, doesn't mean it can't be. It doesn't mean that at all. That is faulty logic and lazy thinking. We have to ask ourselves why we haven't been able to do that in the past, and figure out a way to overcome it. If we don't believe that's possible, then why don't we just give up?

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Would you say the allocation of resources is even remotely


Mar 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

close?

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Poor start and poor finish kept it from being "very succes..***


Mar 9, 2020, 12:41 PM [ in reply to Very successful year ]



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Right. LOL!***


Mar 9, 2020, 12:46 PM



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Re: The formula for success for Clemson Basketball . . .


Mar 9, 2020, 12:21 PM

Was a good year but not a very good year and not a great year. Some great things happened but also some bad things happened as well

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Finishing 9th in conference and failing to make post


Mar 9, 2020, 12:28 PM

season was a good year? Come on! I think what you are saying is that it was a good year given expectations, which is exactly my point. Keep expectations low (the lower the better), and we can claim success every year, no matter what.

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Finally some realism and truth about the


Mar 9, 2020, 12:46 PM

Clemson basketball program. How low are my expectations? If Clemson wins on Wednesday, I'll be happy regardless of whether the Tigers get an NIT bid. I will not be happy if Brownell is retained.

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There you go AGAIN


Mar 10, 2020, 3:29 PM

making sense.

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