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Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 8:15 AM
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it’s hard to believe or even want to believe in a god that is supposedly just sitting up there watching people suffer.
The whole theory of “putting god first” doesn’t make much sense when you can’t even see him or know for sure he is real.
Think about it. You have a son but you live in another state where he’s never seen you but you demand he live up to your expectations or else.
In what world does that make sense?
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Dude what’s in your coffee?***
Mar 24, 2020, 8:28 AM
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sounds like he put a couple extra spoonfuls of logic in***
Mar 24, 2020, 8:33 AM
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it's YOUR 2 year TNETaversary, and YOU'RE
Mar 24, 2020, 9:06 AM
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the one bringing gifts like this....
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Re: good one (disagree, but it's a good quip)***
Mar 24, 2020, 3:42 PM
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Sorry DBGF, that's not how it works with God and the Bible. If you read it and talk with Religious leaders, they'll explain it to you.
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if you read it cover to cover you probably will come
Mar 24, 2020, 7:39 PM
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Away less religious. It’s ridiculous. It starts off with talking snakes and ends with a hollywood-esque mescaline driven apocalyptic vision.
You should read it; it is clearly myth
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Re: if you read it cover to cover you probably will come
Mar 25, 2020, 12:13 PM
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I find the Bible to be a very fascinating book. Its hard to believe that so many different authors across many centuries could come up with it. And there is very good evidence they were eyewitnesses to the events. Also, don’t tell a Baptist preacher this but a lot of the early Christians took a more allegorical approach to the stories you are talking about.
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Re: if you read it cover to cover you probably will come
Mar 25, 2020, 4:29 PM
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What’s hard to believe about it?
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Re: if you read it cover to cover you probably will come
Mar 25, 2020, 7:15 PM
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Nothing parallels it in ancient literature when it comes to manuscript evidence. Not one single event from the bible has been proven inaccurate and time and time again when in doubt, archaeology has proven it right. That's pretty hard to imagine when you consider the events it narrates took place over about 1500 years and it was written by about 40 different authors.
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Great point, but that makes too much sense for this board.
Mar 24, 2020, 8:32 AM
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That is an awesome analogy though.
As a father, that would be the strangest thing to give my kids no evidence that I existed at all and yet punish them with eternal suffering if they don't believe.
That's a pretty big universal gamble...
What is happening re: the coranvirus makes sense under natural evolutionary terms. It's not "evil", it's just following a natural selection process to survive. Trying to insert religion into this just doesn't make any sense.
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But you don't understand
Mar 24, 2020, 9:06 AM
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we have to pray away the virus that God created and set loose on earth for us to pray away so that we can demonstrate just how faithful we are.
And if you question that, you're going to hell because you don't believe as much as I do.
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Re: Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 9:04 AM
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But his expectations are basically "don't be a dik, and even then it's probably cool."
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Re: Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 9:36 AM
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Was hoping to get some insight from Christians on here but I guess they just put me on their prayer lists....
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Faith is really tough
Mar 24, 2020, 9:44 AM
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its hard to believe when I watched both my parents, great Christians, die at a young age. Its hard to believe as I see kids die, moms killed in car accidents by drunk drivers, rampant suicide.
My faith has to rely in that if I truly believe, I will see my loved ones again, wether if that is in heaven or some other spot, as I am not sure on the very idea of Heaven, but I hope that on the other side are my loved ones that I miss so dearly.
I cannot (which I have been the past week and why I have been a deekhead) go down the path of putting God into this Virus equation, I am trying to separate them and not think in the terms that you laid out in the OP.
Great post and my rambling probably doesn't help.
Lots of people are going to die due to the virus, no doubt, I hope its not me or a loved one, but if so, maybe I will see my parents again.
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Re: Faith is really tough
Mar 24, 2020, 9:56 AM
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If I have been hard on you in some of my posts I apologize. Not knowing your situation and stress levels on how this is playing out was not considered in my posts at the time.
Most folks tend to view things from their own window of perspective,needs, wants, situations and at times I forget I have been very fortunate over my working life to never need to work another day, I retired 4 years ago and took a job out of keeping the old mind active. It is not needs based so I am comfortable with al the shutdowns going on out there, plus this job I can actually be self directed with little to no contact with others.
I may have let this cloud things a bit , not all are so fortunate out there. Most gotta work, most do not have the resources to settle in and chill out while not wondering how to keep a roof over their heads,food on the table or put gas in the car.
So peace out Manac, I'll try to consider some of this better going forward. WIsh you well and hope you and yours are fine.
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That's why you're still posting like this is just the flu?***
Mar 24, 2020, 9:58 AM
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Re: Book of Job. The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away.
Mar 24, 2020, 5:12 PM
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"The Lord gets to do what he wants for His purposes. It all beongs to Him."
In our world we call that an egotistical SOB.
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In our country we call that T-Rump....***
Mar 24, 2020, 10:31 PM
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Re: In our country we call that T-Rump....***
Mar 24, 2020, 10:58 PM
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No, in your country he is called Mohammad!
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I don't think God took into account
Mar 24, 2020, 9:49 AM
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That someone in China would be eating a bat in the form of soup. The bible clearly states not to eat bats. So therefore, eating a bat is a sin. This is all a result of sin.
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It's sad how hard this is to distinguish from satire***
Mar 24, 2020, 9:53 AM
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As a liberal, its rich that you choose to be open to women
Mar 24, 2020, 9:55 AM
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pretending to be men, abortion and global rights for every single person. But when a Christian shares something from the bible, a dignified right of theirs, you point and laugh.
But keep saying you're accepting.
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Re: As a liberal, its rich that you choose to be open to women
Mar 24, 2020, 10:35 AM
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Got a better question for you on abortion. Since nobody is forcing you to get an abortion, nor your wife/GF or daughter how is the right of choice affecting you really? Now let us flip that coin, if we accept your vision then you ARE forcing others to follow your own beliefs, hardly seems right or fair now foes it?
Once again , as soon as you and your kind all sign up to be on a roll that will take an unwanted kid regardless of race, health problems or deformities to raise as your own I am on board. Oh, no federal $$$ as y'all have problems with that too. NExt up on the list gets next available kid born.
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The right of choice does affect me, as a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 10:43 AM
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Each life is precious. Every single life matters. Having lost a child of my own that I was never able to meet, it hurts me that people are so careless with how precious of a gift life is. I drive past an abortion clinic every single morning and it is busy from 8am to 5pm everyday. Not a single spot is available in the place all day long. Every single time I drive past it, I ache for the child my wife and I lost and for the women going through the procedure because they are scared or hurting. Just because it doesn't affect you, doesnt mean it doesnt affect me.
I answered your loony tunes question yesterday, so please revert back to that.
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Re: As a liberal, its rich that you choose to be open to women
Mar 24, 2020, 12:43 PM
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quite the projection you got there. I am open to rights for everyone. I don't really care what someone chooses to do with their lives (with the caveat that they are not harming or stepping on other's rights).
I'm not advocating for your religious rights to be taken away. But religion is basically a collection of ideas and I think those ideas are objectively stupid. so yes i will point and laugh at ideas i think are stupid.
If someone told you they were talking to an invisible person you'd probably thing that well dumb no? Well..
Ideas aren't people, I can criticize them and not be in contradiction with your rights.
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Re: I don't think God took into account
Mar 24, 2020, 12:38 PM
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So we somehow have this coming because some wahoo in Wuhan ate a bat?
Huh?
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pssssst. We'd currently be in perfect Utopia
Mar 24, 2020, 3:36 PM
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had some broad not eaten an apple.
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I mentioned this the other day.
Mar 24, 2020, 10:17 AM
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As an omnipotent deity, God already knows the outcome of everything anyone every chooses with free will. He(?) already knows the outcome of this, and well, everything else, too.
This must be a really boring game for him to watch. He already knows the score.
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If God is omnipresent and all knowing
Mar 24, 2020, 10:19 AM
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and he still allows molestation and rape, then that's no God
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You'll get no argument from me.
Mar 24, 2020, 10:22 AM
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I have serious questions about Santa, Zeus, and Apollo, too.
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You know thats considered free will right?
Mar 24, 2020, 10:27 AM
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Big staple of the bible is free will. God isn't a police force or a physical presence that is available to stop all bad.
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So God allows that 2 year old to be raped
Mar 24, 2020, 10:31 AM
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because the guy wants to and God is all like
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Im assuming this, and correct me if I am wrong
Mar 24, 2020, 10:38 AM
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But I don't think you're a religious person based on your posts. God doesnt prevent free will or fight off the powers of Satan in ordinary people. God can't stop sin. Hes not some sort of vigilante like Batman. God has provided guidance on how to live to promote peace and tranquility throughout the world. Sin still happens because humans are not perfect. People do evil things, but God isn't the one pulling the strings on every person every time.
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Re: Im assuming this, and correct me if I am wrong
Mar 24, 2020, 10:41 AM
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Based on your replies to posts I would call you a hypoctite myself. Met many like you and laughed at them constantly. You be you , if you actually believe what you are saying you sure better do a better job of living it.
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You can point fingers and name call all youd like
Mar 24, 2020, 10:45 AM
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But that doesn't change the fact I am a believer in God and the Bible as a fact. Again, as a liberal, its rich that you're accepting of sin, but not accepting of religion.
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Re: You can point fingers and name call all youd like
Mar 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
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I accept religion for those that want it, have had many lively discussions on the topic with religious friends. Oh, not a liberal but a fiscal conservative so there is that.
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You can be a fiscal conservative and a liberal socialist
Mar 24, 2020, 11:25 AM
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Don't use that as your backstop to lean on to try to relate yourself to me.
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Re: You can be a fiscal conservative and a liberal socialist
Mar 24, 2020, 11:52 AM
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As to name calling, does cuck ring a bell from yesterday hypocrite? Do not need anything to lean in relation to you, furtherest thing I would want is to be somehow closer to you. Bless your heart , whole lot of crazy running loose between your ears too.
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You are a person full of hatred
Mar 24, 2020, 12:43 PM
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Im not sure why you have to be angry.
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Re: You are a person full of hatred
Mar 24, 2020, 1:21 PM
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You start stuff and cry wolf, this is too funny. Do not be starting stuff if you do not want it back. I do not even hate you skippy, you amuse me at this point.
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Which is funny because free will, as we think of it anyway
Mar 24, 2020, 12:44 PM
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isn't a thing. You don't think your thoughts before they appear in your head do you?
They just arrive and you observe them more or less.
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serious question: why not?
Mar 24, 2020, 7:36 PM
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He created this whole thing right? And he can’t step in because...
If i saw someone about to slap a child and i grabbed their hand, is that “interfering” with free will too?
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That's called perspective.
Mar 24, 2020, 10:31 AM
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If a lab teacher gives clear directions on how to mix acid and water in order to neutralize the acid and you pour the water in the acid is it his fault you get a face full of acid?
Regarding your question about perspective, we could talk about that only if you seek understanding.
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I think I understand it pretty well.
Mar 24, 2020, 10:33 AM
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Does God already know the outcome of every choice that everyone will ever make?
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Don't waste your time. He wants you to seek understanding
Mar 24, 2020, 10:35 AM
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but refuses to try to look at your argument.
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Not so.
Mar 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
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No one here has asked any question which I have not considered and previously ask of God. Some of these questions I struggled with. I started reading the Bible over 60 years ago. The difference between you and me is that when I asked God a question I'm not throwing down with pride and saying I already have this figured out.
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Can you conceive of a being who isn't a subject of time?
Mar 24, 2020, 11:14 AM
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If, as is said, God is all powerful, all knowing and everywhere at all given times then how is God a subject of time? Would one that powerful limit his power by creating a thing called time which lorded over him as it lords over us?
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I'm not sure what your point is.
Mar 24, 2020, 11:29 AM
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So he has known forever what all things were, and will be, and everyone who is ever born, what the outcomes of every choice they will make, until there are no beings to do that any longer. Time is irrelevant.
If that is so, then why, other than just from pure boredom, would he ever answer a prayer? What is the incentive? He already knows the outcome. Actually, there seems to be a disincentive to answer any prayers..whats the point? The outcome is already known and forgotten before the event ever has taken place...for infinity.
It would seem those who pray to God are the ones who have no concept of time, nor omnipotence. God loves you? God has forgotten about you. What interest could there possibly be in which your infinitesimal small portion of the universe that you take up space even matter? Your own self important arrogance is only overshadowed by a God that urges you to believe in him for no other reason than his own glory.
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The term 'forever,' indicates that you view eternity as...
Mar 24, 2020, 11:54 AM
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a collection of all time and that time had no beginning and no end. That is not the same as eternity. Eternity exist without regard or relationship to time.
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Rather than dance around all this
Mar 24, 2020, 11:57 AM
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just tell me where I'm wrong.
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You're not wrong.
Mar 24, 2020, 1:58 PM
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We just have a limited understanding of time. I do too because I always believe 'When we've been there 10,000 years, bright shining as the Sun...'
I do not believe eternity is the distance from infinite time past to infinite time future. Eternity is not a collection of all time. Did time exist before the universe was created? I don't think so. I think time is relative to matter and without matter time does not exist.
Everything has a beginning and end from our perspective. I do not believe it's possible to conceive of the lack or absence of time.
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Ok, I'm still not sure the point of this.***
Mar 24, 2020, 2:42 PM
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Re: Ok, I'm still not sure the point of this.***
Mar 24, 2020, 3:28 PM
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God, being eternal and not subject to time, sees our existence in time as a point. We see it as a line. He does not move back and forth in time because He saw the end when He created the universe. That is how He is everywhere at the same time in reference to us. It's also how He knows everything.
From our perspective He knows it before it happens. From His perspective it's already fixed from the creation of the Universe.
Let's say, for the sake of this conversation only, that is true. The begs the question 'why?' That answer is preachy and will upset both Jhop and FBcoach.
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Thanks?
Mar 25, 2020, 8:58 AM
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I noticed very little push back from anyone in that conversation, so I can only conclude 1 of 2 things
1) its not worth the argument
2) there is actually a point there
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If the lab teacher has a reasonable suspicion that you
Mar 24, 2020, 12:53 PM
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might harm yourself or don't understand the instructions, then I would question his judgment yes..
I would say if this was all created by an omniscient being then it is quite the sinister experiment considering all the suffering that goes on..
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Its only an experiment for those doing it.
Mar 24, 2020, 12:59 PM
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God already knows the outcome.
Sort of like ants in an ant farm.
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Re: I mentioned this the other day.
Mar 24, 2020, 3:25 PM
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Ineligible,
If god truly knows every choice you are going to make - how do you have free will ?
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The religionists tell me I do.
Mar 24, 2020, 3:32 PM
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But does anyone truly have free will?
If I could make any choice I wanted, I'd choose to win the powerball tonight, choose to buy a small Caribbean island, and choose to quarantine there for the next 30 days to 30 years, depending upon how long I have left to live.
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Re: I mentioned this the other day.
Mar 24, 2020, 5:56 PM
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Ineligible,
If god truly knows every choice you are going to make - how do you have free will ?
Did your father ever let you do something knowing full well what the outcome would be? He knew the circumstances and the consequences but let you follow through it anyway? He did it so that you would learn from it. To make you a better person right and you would might teach others right? Didn’t you have free will? Didn’t he know the outcome before it was followed through?
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Many great TNET philosophers just study the Book of Job
Mar 24, 2020, 11:31 AM
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If you don't give up on your quest for a more enlightened understanding, maybe you dannybygodford, can also be great.
Kant said that all we could do with doubts about God was admit them. For Kant, Larrimore writes, “the book of Job shows that the problem of evil must remain an open wound.” Larrimore thinks that’s still true: that the dispute between Job and his friends epitomizes modern thought. There are no answers, only riddles. In the face of that impasse, the discussion often shifts from content to style. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, a number of people who wrote on Job—the German theorist Johann Gottfried von Herder, the Anglican bishop Robert Lowth—stopped trying to figure out God’s plan, and instead focussed on his poetry, whose sublimity, they felt, was meaning enough. Indeed, the ambiguity boosted the sublimity. This position was undoubtedly reassuring, but the new aestheticism could also be seen as a failure of moral seriousness. Furthermore, it placed God at a very far remove from humankind. One of the reasons that Job complains so bitterly is that he thought that he and God had a relationship. Now it is sundered: “I cry unto thee and thou dost not hear me.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/16/misery-3 Misery Is there justice in the Book of Job?
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Re: Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 11:31 AM
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You gave up on God? You have always been such a believer. Welcome to the dark side.
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Everything happens for a reason
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 3:27 PM
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or maybe it is just a virus, doing everything it can to survive.
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 5:33 PM
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 9:54 PM
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“. Claiming that you know definitively one way or the other just shows your own insecurity. “
But yet that’s exactly what Christians, especially conservatives, do. You expect other people to live like your beliefs are true.
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So a little inner reflection coming out... It's subconscious
Mar 24, 2020, 10:49 PM
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Your berating is an obvious sign of insecurity. Period............................
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Re: So a little inner reflection coming out... It's subconscious
Mar 24, 2020, 10:52 PM
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 5:26 PM
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I realize that the Bible is filled with questions just like this.
"not to mention the fact that the world has a population issue."
So this is how a perfect, loving God chooses to deal with population issues?
It's not really about the suffering that goes on, it just doesn't make sense that there would be a person sitting up there watching, wanting us to pray to him and make him first in our lives when we can't even see him or know for certain he exists. Even worse, that he would send those who don't come to the conclusion that he does exist to eternal damnation.
The world becoming over populated would fall in his lap, not ours.
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 6:24 PM
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I realize that the Bible is filled with questions just like this.
"not to mention the fact that the world has a population issue."
So this is how a perfect, loving God chooses to deal with population issues?
It's not really about the suffering that goes on, it just doesn't make sense that there would be a person sitting up there watching, wanting us to pray to him and make him first in our lives when we can't even see him or know for certain he exists. Even worse, that he would send those who don't come to the conclusion that he does exist to eternal damnation.
The world becoming over populated would fall in his lap, not ours.
Instead of asking Christians for answers, why not go straight to where they would look for answers? There’s plenty of passages in the Bible that explains why God allows these things to happen.
You just keep repeating the same questions over and over knowing you aren’t going to be convinced anyway. Millions of people could give you the answer they believe to be true, but it is pointless to answer when you won’t believe it either way.
That’s like me asking you a question and before you respond, I turn up my earbuds so loud all is I can see is your lips moving because I don’t really care what you say.
So I ask again, Why not read the Bible yourself to find answers?
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 7:47 PM
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I’ve read the entire New Testament and been through multiple studies of the Old Testament. I know the Bible cover to cover and what it teaches.
It does not answer these common sense objections. Unless the answer to the all the questions is “just trust God”.
Why should anybody trust in your specific version of god out of the thousands of other options?
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 8:08 PM
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 8:18 PM
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I’m also well studied on the manuscript and archeological evidence for the Bible. Nothing can prove the supernatural aspect though. The Israelites could have just been attributing their experiences to their version of god like everybody else in the ancient world did.
But you’re right this thread isn’t about any of that. It’s about the concept of a god expecting beings that can’t see or really even know he exists to pray to him and devote their lives to “serving” someone they can’t even possibly know for sure exists and it makes me cringe to hear people say that’s what we need to stop this virus.
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 8:24 PM
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I’m also well studied on the manuscript and archeological evidence for the Bible. Nothing can prove the supernatural aspect though. The Israelites could have just been attributing their experiences to their version of god like everybody else in the ancient world did.
But you’re right this thread isn’t about any of that. It’s about the concept of a god expecting beings that can’t see or really even know he exists to pray to him and devote their lives to “serving” someone they can’t even possibly know for sure exists and it makes me cringe to hear people say that’s what we need to stop this virus.
Are you expecting us to make him appear to you? Is it that simple? Why hasn’t anyone thought of that before?
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 24, 2020, 10:06 PM
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Why would I not believe just because you said not to? Just because you say you can’t comprehend? No thanks I’ll put my faith where I choose.
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 25, 2020, 7:20 AM
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I never said not to believe. I asked why you believe what you believe. And you can’t even give an answer without being condescending.
I can give a better answer than you and I’m the one asking the question.
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 25, 2020, 8:20 AM
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I never said not to believe. I asked why you believe what you believe. And you can’t even give an answer without being condescending.
I can give a better answer than you and I’m the one asking the question.
I gave you an answer. It is the same reason you believe what you believe. You say you can provide a better answer to why Christians believe in God then why are you asking?
I can ask you all day long of why you don’t believe, but I really don’t care why. The reason why I don’t really care is that you’re not changing my mind either way and you’ve already made up your mind not To change yours .
I would believe in a God before I would believe in what you or any other human says. I’m not really looking for an answer from you so why demand an answer from others when you are not really interested in their answer?
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 25, 2020, 11:02 AM
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So why are you even in this thread?
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 25, 2020, 11:58 AM
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Why did you make it if you already know all the answers? Everyone understands your question, they just don’t like talking to a wall. I’m just responding because when I see that someone might have a religious comment, it might be informative or interesting. Hey why am I’m on this thread? Because it’s neither one of those things!
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Re: Everything happens for a reason
Mar 25, 2020, 12:15 PM
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I meant I could give an answer to the question I posed specifically to you which was why do you believe what you believe?
You’ve not come close to addressing the question in the OP and if pointing that out makes me “a wall” then ok.
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Re: Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 2:40 PM
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it’s hard to believe or even want to believe in a god that is supposedly just sitting up there watching people suffer.
The whole theory of “putting god first” doesn’t make much sense when you can’t even see him or know for sure he is real.
Think about it. You have a son but you live in another state where he’s never seen you but you demand he live up to your expectations or else.
In what world does that make sense?
Wouldn’t you want your kid that is in another state to always make the right decisions and the best choices no matter what?
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Re: Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
Mar 24, 2020, 3:28 PM
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Yeah but would you send him to hell for eternity if he didn't live up to your unknown expectations ??
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Re: Have to admit as someone who’s always consider their self a Christian
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Danny,
Excellent questions, my friend.
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Why did you consider yourself a Christian?
Mar 24, 2020, 10:17 PM
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I want a straight answer and expect you to tell me.
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Re: Why did you consider yourself a Christian?
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When I was about 5 years old I ran to my dad after church and said the sinners prayer with him. About 20 years later when I started settling down my mind started becoming plagued with doubt. I read multiple apologetic books. Was satisfied for a while. Started studying the Bible. But the questions still come back.
I have a little bit of faith, which is all that is required. But I choose to confront these objections and not bury them and pretend like they don’t exist like the majority of Christians do.
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Re: Why did you consider yourself a Christian?
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It’s not burying them it’s called accepting the facts that some things, good or bad, can’t be changed. Sure we can come up with medicines to that “cure” sickness, but in the big picture, are we just prolonging the inevitable? Are we creating another virus mutation more deadly as a result of vaccinations? I believe so. It’s a temporary fix for something that we have no controls over.
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Re: Why did you consider yourself a Christian?
Mar 25, 2020, 11:08 AM
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You didn’t understand the question here. I’m not asking why God did this, I’m asking what sense does it make to believe in a God that is supposedly sitting there watching this unfold just wishing these insubordinate humans would pray to him, who they’ve never even seen.....
Anyone in our world displaying anything close to that type of arrogance would be considered a POS.
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HELLO, are you still with me?***
Mar 25, 2020, 3:51 PM
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Tell me why.
Mar 25, 2020, 4:22 PM
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I'm not doubting you. Not that at all.
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