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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 1, 2015, 9:06 AM
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1. Steve Fuller
2. Tajh Boyd
3. Woody Dantzler
4. Homer Jordan
5. Charlie Whitehurst
6. Rodney Williams
7. Mike Eppeley
8. DeChane Cameron
9. Chris Morocco
10. Tie Kyle Parker Nealon Greene
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Boyd can't be #2
Apr 1, 2015, 9:09 AM
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0-4 against USC takes him down a couple of notches.
I would move him below Whitehurst and possibly Williams.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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I love ol TB but I have to agree with you! It is NOT just
Apr 1, 2015, 9:15 AM
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another game and everyone needs to understand this!
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TOTALLY agreed***
Apr 1, 2015, 9:18 AM
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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I don't consider anyone All In until they realize this***
Apr 1, 2015, 9:23 AM
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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You're kidding right? I guess you're part of the crowd that
Apr 1, 2015, 9:26 AM
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would trade the Orange Bowl win or the 4th and 16, or the ACC Title for a victory over the coots.
Newsflash, this puts you in the same line of thinking as them.
Besides, if Tajh had of beat them, then no way what happened this year with DW4 happens and that "mythical story" that we'll be telling our kids and grandkids about forever never happens. If we beat SC at least once in TB's last 3 years, Swinney doesn't play Watson on a torn ACL to beat SC.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Why do we have to trade one for the other?
Apr 1, 2015, 9:39 AM
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Why could it not be both? Beat USC once in your career and do all that other stuff as well.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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You don't, but give credit where it's due. Even without a
Apr 1, 2015, 9:46 AM
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win against SC not having Tajh Boyd in the top 5 of that list is ridiculous. Who by the way, also has 32 wins as the starting QB. Tied for most all time. With the guy the OP had 6th. Really???????
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Rock Defender [53]
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TB also had more opportunities to pile up Ws
Apr 1, 2015, 9:56 AM
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with the new 12 game season, plus the conference championship games and the bowls.
TB did a whole lot for Clemson, but to put him at #2 while going 0-3 against South Carolina is ridiculous.
by the way I would have moved Homer Jordan to #2.
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Technically Boyd 0-3, Parker 0-2 starts, but Agreed!***
Apr 1, 2015, 9:22 AM
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Not Technical....facts.......*****************
Apr 1, 2015, 9:26 AM
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Boyd was definitely better than Whitehurst
Apr 1, 2015, 11:11 AM
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I don't really care about the 0-4 vs 4-0 thing. Boyd would've gone 4-0 against USC from 2002-2005 also.
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That probably doesn't have so much to do with him
Apr 1, 2015, 11:28 AM
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as it does with how good the rest of our team was as well as how good the coots were. He doesn't get a free pass, but I think these kinds of things ("how many championships/games etc. did he win?") are way over rated as an indicator of how good a particular player is, even the QB. Football is a team sport, and while one great player can make a difference, losing doesn't mean they didn't; it may mean they weren't good enough to certain deficits and weaknesses of the rest of the team.
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Orange Blooded [2481]
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Yea, Boyd should have won those games by HIMSELF!!!
Apr 1, 2015, 5:42 PM
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Say What?!
Apr 1, 2015, 8:45 PM
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I'd give somebody Fuller at #1. Or maybe Woody. But come on man, gotta give TB more love than that. He did a lot for this program, more-so than anybody except maybe Homer Jordan.
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I don't see Will Proctor on your list...
Apr 1, 2015, 9:15 AM
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an honest over sight I'm sure
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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The fact you got a guy that won 32 ball games as the starter
Apr 1, 2015, 9:17 AM
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in 6th is a little low for me.
But disagree with the second poster about Tajh. Yeah, he didn't beat the coots, but he did give you an Orange Bowl win, 4th and 16, and an ACC title. Something Dantzler and Whitehurst never did.
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Dantzler didnt have the supporting cast
Apr 1, 2015, 9:45 AM
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Either....
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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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You want to reread your sentence in regards to Homer?
Apr 1, 2015, 10:25 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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I guess I could have added that Homer could have won
Apr 1, 2015, 10:32 AM
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another with that talent.
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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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Geez, when you span 40 years it's all a what if game.
Apr 1, 2015, 9:02 PM
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If you go by how well the team did, it would be:
1. Homer
2. Tajh
3. Rodney
4. Morocco
5. Eppeley
But,IMO, that ain't very accurate.
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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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Rodney would have started for B&L but maybe not
Apr 1, 2015, 8:43 PM
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at ST.
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Rodney was a standout QB at Irmo HS *******
Apr 2, 2015, 6:02 AM
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I agree with #1 - you younger guys who didn't see Steve.....
Apr 1, 2015, 9:19 AM
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Fuller play and the impact he had on turning our program around at that time may not realize just how good he was. That's why he's a charter member of the ROH.
It's hard to rate the whole list because so much of how good a QB is has to do with his O-line and receivers he has.
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How about Stephen Garcia?
Apr 1, 2015, 9:41 AM
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He completed as many passes to you taters as any of those non-SEC QB's.
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 1, 2015, 9:52 AM
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Good list. I might slude Rodney up. His game wasn't pretty, but he just knew how to win.
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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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Solid QB but played with more talent than any on the list
Apr 1, 2015, 9:55 AM
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except Homer.
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I'd probably go ahead and
Apr 1, 2015, 10:12 AM
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put DW4 ahead of Parker. The one-legged #### kicking he gave the chickens elevates him in my opinion.
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 1, 2015, 10:54 AM
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I would drop DeChane (never really like him) off the list and put Nealon at about 6 - really like Nealon. I would also put Charlie at 3. I think Morocco is underrated, but I think I might pull him and put Streeter on the list. Streeter was a bright spot in some relatively dismal years; he got beat to death and really played well.
I would give Patrick Sapp an honorable mention; he gets points for being a good linebacker.
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I have mixed feelings and admitted ignorance about Tajh
Apr 1, 2015, 11:08 AM
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vs. SCar. Did he just get rattled against them and blow it, or did our coaches fail in the gameplan? Also, how much of those losses is on the D not being able to stop C. Shaw? My inclination is that TB would have won a couple of those games with some help from the D especially. For that reason, I'm ok with him being in the top 3 to 5 despite his dismal record against SCar.
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I like the list. You evaluated the QBs based largely on
Apr 1, 2015, 11:14 AM
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ability and not old white guy stats like winning %, and grit, and a "will to win" and all that other garbage. But Rodney Williams won 32 games! He also played on the most talented stretch of teams we've ever had at Clemson.
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 1, 2015, 11:15 AM
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Not to be the guy that brings this up in the discussion, BUT what do you define as greatness? Winning the most games? Winning the most titles? Best leader? Best physical skills? Transforming the program? Best role model? There are so many definitions of greatness in sports, that's why this argument could go on forever.
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Winning matters as a team or as a coach who is in
Apr 1, 2015, 11:21 AM
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control of the entire program, but you can't hold one player responsible for the outcome of a sport where 22+ players are making large contributions.
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For better or worse.......
Apr 1, 2015, 11:22 AM
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That is what everyone does with QBs and Head Coaches.
The get the most credit when things are going well and the most blame when things are going bad.
Just the nature of the beast.
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This is tough because some of these guys were great
Apr 1, 2015, 11:18 AM
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in their time, playing on the teams they did and running the offense they ran; but they may not be nearly as good in another era or running a different offense. Charlie Whitehurst was probably the most NFL-ready QB we've ever had (or maybe Fuller), but he would have been pretty limited in an offense that required a mobile QB. On the other hand, Homer Jordan was a great leader and very effective on the option/run-oriented teams under Danny, but would struggle tremendously on a team that threw the ball 30 times a game.
If I were going to build a football team, for today's college game, I would rank them like this:
1. Fuller
2. Boyd
3. Whitehurst
4. Dantzler
5. Parker
6. Eppley
7. Streeter
8. Jordan
9. Williams
10. Morocco
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Re: Are these in alphabetical order b/c Boyd sucked***
Apr 1, 2015, 11:30 AM
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What!?!?!?!?!?
Apr 1, 2015, 11:31 AM
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You can't be serious. Yes he went 0-3 against South Carolina (like I brought up), but in no way shape or form did Boyd "suck".
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Someone put Boyd below Whitehurst?
Apr 1, 2015, 11:46 AM
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Are you insane? I think Boyd at #2 is pretty close to accurate. Whitehurst beat SC but never won more than 9 games. Boyd won 10, 11, and 11. He changed the momentum and future of the program. I think he should be in the ring with Fuller.
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Remember
Apr 1, 2015, 11:49 AM
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Whitehurst played when there were only 11 games on the schedule, plus no conference championship game.
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Re: Remember
Apr 1, 2015, 12:30 PM
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Whitehurst was good, but he was not great. His era was the most we had ever thrown the ball. That's why his numbers stacked up. He was not nearly the player Boyd was. Boyd's teams at Clemson go 4-0 or 3-0 (as starter) against those SC teams Charlie beat and Whitehurst's Clemson teams prob go 0-3 or 0-4 against the SC teams that Boyd lost to. It was a different era. Yes, Boyd never beat them, but South Carolina was a top 10 highest point in their history team in the Boyd era. They were mediocre in the Whitehurst era. Boyd was the better player and much higher in CU history and I don't really think it is close.
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I understand your logic
Apr 1, 2015, 1:23 PM
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I don't agree with some of it, but I understand where you are coming from.
My opinion is that if you put Whitehurst on Boyd's teams, we beat South Carolina once or twice. But we will never know. Both of them are firmly inside Clemson's top 10 QBs of all time.
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Yeah we all remember.. We also remember that Charlie
Apr 1, 2015, 1:29 PM
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could have won more games. He could have hit a wide open Stuckey where the closest person to him was in the first row of the stands against Miami.
He and the team couldn't have sh!t the bed against Duke in '04 right after beating Miami.
Maybe, just maybe could have won that 45-17 a$$ kicking Wake Forest put on us in '03.
When he beat Wake in '04 he could have won at least 1 of the next four instead of dropping all four. How many times in Tajh Boyd's career he lose 4 games in a row? How many times he lose 2 in a row?
Point is, Boyd was/is a better COLLEGE quarterback than Whitehurst. And I'm a huge Whitehurst supporter. Love the fact that he was the coot killa, and will forever have a special place in my heart for that beating he took against Texas Tech. Yeah, lost that one too.
Hey, speaking of beatings. Tajh Boyd got his a$$ whipped all night against LSU. He kept getting up too, and oh yeah, he won that game.
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 1, 2015, 5:34 PM
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Don't care what you say, Homer Jordan is #1 until some one else wins us a National Championship.
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Orange Blooded [2481]
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#1- Boyd...#2-Woody...#3-Whitehurst
Apr 1, 2015, 5:41 PM
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will round out the top 5 with Fuller and Greene
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 1, 2015, 8:56 PM
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1. Steve Fuller
2. Homer Jordan
3. Rodney Williams
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Woody Dantzker
6. Deshaun Watson
7. Tajh Boyd
8. Mike Eppeley
9. DeChane Cameron
10.Chris Morocco
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 2, 2015, 9:50 AM
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Deshaun is not "greater" right now than Boyd is. He most likely WILL be the greater player, but right now there is no way he is "greater" than Boyd. Yes he did beat the coots and Boyd never did, but the body of work between the two is not close to be comparable right now....
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Re: 10 Greatest QBs at Clemson since 1975:
Apr 2, 2015, 12:20 PM
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Pretty good list right there, although I'd switch Greene for Cameron!
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