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If you had the chance to get Oliver Purnell
Mar 2, 2016, 5:22 PM
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back would you take it?
I don't think that he neither wants back, nor would Clemson go that route, but would any of you want him back?
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is the choice to either keep BB or get OP?***
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CU Guru [1087]
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No, you could get someone else
Mar 2, 2016, 5:24 PM
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Someone realistic
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No way on God's green earth.***
Mar 2, 2016, 5:25 PM
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Rick Barnes!
Mar 2, 2016, 5:27 PM
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One of the highlights of my 1994-96 time at Clemson
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Re: Rick Barnes!
Mar 2, 2016, 7:20 PM
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I would take him back in a "skinny minute"
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no thank you***
Mar 2, 2016, 5:28 PM
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Re: If you had the chance to get Oliver Purnell
Mar 2, 2016, 5:29 PM
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That's a negative ghost rider, the pattern is full. Why would you even consider it?
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Legend [16121]
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Do you think OP would have been hired if he would have told
Mar 2, 2016, 5:33 PM
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TDP that at the end of year 7 he still wouldn't have a NCAA W? DidIdoitright?
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Re: Do you think OP would have been hired if he would have told
Mar 2, 2016, 5:35 PM
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Nope. Always go forward, never backwards.
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Re: Do you think OP would have been hired if he would have told
Mar 2, 2016, 9:36 PM
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They went backwards with BB
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looks like I did***
Mar 2, 2016, 5:36 PM
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then we need a new AD***
Mar 2, 2016, 6:00 PM
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Heayall no.
Mar 2, 2016, 5:42 PM
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One and done isn't what we need.
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Speaking entirely for myself....
Mar 2, 2016, 5:44 PM
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that would be an emphatic no.
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Re: If you had the chance to get Oliver Purnell
Mar 2, 2016, 5:48 PM
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Only an idiot wouldn't....
We'd have multiple tournament wins and probably a couple deep runs to the sweet 16 or elite 8 by now without a doubt.
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LOL. You're joking, right?
Mar 2, 2016, 10:36 PM
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Multiple tournament wins and probably a couple of runs to the sweet 16 or elite 8? You do realize that Purnell has never won an NCAA Tournament game, don't you? Multiple schools. Multiple times being the higher seeded team. Zero wins.
He's a good coach. He builds programs. He doesn't build winners who make NCAA tournament runs.
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Based on his coot logic.***
Mar 2, 2016, 11:41 PM
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Name any TV show that was brought back. Now ask yourself,
Mar 2, 2016, 5:54 PM
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did it work out? Oftentimes, the answer to that question is a resounding "no." I have a feeling if Clemson was to re-air the Purnell show it would not be as good as we remembered.
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you're saying OP could be our Star Trek: The Next Generation?***
Mar 2, 2016, 6:21 PM
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Yes
Mar 2, 2016, 6:34 PM
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But only to hear the OPP song at games again. I think he could be successful with a slight tweak to his system so his teams would not be so tired out at the end of the game. It's hard when your in the ACC and playing down most of the time.
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I do miss the song. Maybe we could do a BBB rendition for
Mar 2, 2016, 6:58 PM
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"Brad Brownell's Brethren"
You down with BBB! Yeah, you know me.
On second thought, that is super lame.
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Mrs. Purnell says no way in heII.***
Mar 2, 2016, 7:51 PM
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Summary - the OP about OP possibly being HC at CU would be
Mar 2, 2016, 9:18 PM
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the AD downfall and TDP is not the AD even though RB had a good WL and made the NCAAT but BB has not...what did i miss.
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#### no!!!
Mar 2, 2016, 9:21 PM
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He had a few decent years here...what has he done since?
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Re: #### no!!!
Mar 2, 2016, 9:39 PM
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What has BB done ever?
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Re: #### no!!!
Mar 2, 2016, 10:15 PM
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The Tigers are playing very good basketball for about 35 minutes a game. I can see that number continuing to go up No one takes the Tigers lightly now. Even the powerful tar holes know that. When Clemson comes to town they know they will have to play the first stringers for most of the game. Bi can't recall that EVER happening
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can't tell if you are serious....
Mar 2, 2016, 10:18 PM
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so after 6 years, we now play good ball for 35 minutes...
am i missing something?
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Re: can't tell if you are serious....
Mar 2, 2016, 10:26 PM
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If UNC basketball had the same problem Swofford would just find a way to reduce all ACC games to 35 min. Feel like we need someone who could involve the notable basketball Alumni a lot more.
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That's not the question, the question was...would I want OP
Mar 2, 2016, 10:52 PM
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Absolutely, yes***
Mar 2, 2016, 11:54 PM
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I don't think people realize the fact that OP was succesful
Mar 2, 2016, 11:58 PM
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b/c he went and got athletes. He knew how to coach to his system, and it fit perfectly at Clemson.
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where it resulted in 3 ACCT and 0 NCAA Ws after 7 years***
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absolutely***
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to be fair.. Purnell never had to deal with losing a KJ
Mar 3, 2016, 12:32 AM
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the year after an NIT birth
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Legend [16121]
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what were the valid reasons for losing 3 straight to double
Mar 3, 2016, 12:42 AM
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digit seeds in the NCAAs?
1) 18 point lead wasn't enough
2) Good teams seem to turn the press into a lay up drill
3) Barring that miraculuos 2 game run that ONE year, it didn't seem to work in the ACCT either
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who's defending the losses? i'm defending
Mar 3, 2016, 12:44 AM
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getting there
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Legend [16121]
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I want to hear how we lost all three, one seemingly worse
Mar 3, 2016, 12:51 AM
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than the next...all to double digit seeds
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so would I***
Mar 3, 2016, 12:56 AM
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with all the OP fans, you think you'd hear something...we
Mar 3, 2016, 1:08 AM
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don't even get a "KJ left early"...just "it's better to go and lose in the first round than not go at all", which sounded weaker and weaker with every upset
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who would you say had a better chance to win an NCAAT game
Mar 3, 2016, 12:40 AM
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Purnell over his final three years
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Brownell over the last 3 years?
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Legend [16121]
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Clearly OP had a much better chance.,..it is dumbfounding
Mar 3, 2016, 12:50 AM
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how such a successful regular season coach could take those teams into the postseason and fail to win even one...against double digit seeds...and the losses got worse every time...that Mizzu game we got run out of the gym...that 08 team not getting at least ONE is an utter travesty...Take all the shots at Brad you want, God knows he'll never assemble a team that good with that depth, but OP squandered it...completely squandered it
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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no one is arguing that we didn't perform in the NCAAT
Mar 3, 2016, 12:56 AM
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under Purnell... we absolutely blew it, especially in 08 when we were up 18 on nova
I'm not taking shots at BB.... I may use BB's performance to take shots at the stupid @ss excuses that people throw around this board for BB.
I think he is likely a fine gentleman, husband, father... and even a pretty good coach. I hope we win the ACCT... and if we do, sign him to a contract for life.
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Legend [16121]
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and I use OP's many postseason failures to take shots
Mar 3, 2016, 1:00 AM
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at the people who act like he was the Messiah
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I only bring OP up when people want to tout
Mar 3, 2016, 1:08 AM
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Brownell's "successes"... OP was more successful than Brownell, period. There are no numbers, either RPI, SOS, KenPom, etc... to suggest otherwise.
I am under no illusion of OP's shortcomings. He was definitely not the "messiah".... so don't play that card.
What he did was bring excitement to Clemson basketball.... win games... get us to the NCAAT and an ACCTCG. People seem to glaze over that when they talk about the "overachieving" Brownell is doing.
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at the end of the day, we had one ACCT run and that was
Mar 3, 2016, 1:14 AM
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about it...Ellis and Barnes would have EASILY taken the 08 team to the Sweet 16 and OP couldn't sustain an 18 point lead...The fact that OP was more successful than Brad doesn't change the fact that he was a serial underachiever come postseason time, barring that one miraculous 2 game run in the ACCT...With quite possibly some of the deepest, most talented teams in Clemson history
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I never said otherwise
Mar 3, 2016, 1:16 AM
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Legend [16121]
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So you agree that OP was a serial underachiever in the
Mar 3, 2016, 1:17 AM
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postseason?
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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Oliver Purnell never won an NCAAT game... so he was an
Mar 3, 2016, 1:21 AM
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underachiever in the NCAAT... absolutely... you can't deny that
I don't think it is fair to say he was a serial underachiever in postseason play... b/c that's not true
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Legend [16121]
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he lost to double digit seed all three years in the NCAA and
Mar 3, 2016, 1:37 AM
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his last two years in the ACCT...Five upsets to 10, 11 and 12 seeds in three years is a pattern, no matter how you want to spin it buddy
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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You have a hard time reading? You said "postseason"...not
Mar 3, 2016, 1:45 AM
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just NCAAT. I agreed with you on the NCAAT part ... but
the "serial underachiever in the postseason" is false...
unless you want to revise your statement
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he went 2-5 in our opening round of the ACCT and his last 2
Mar 3, 2016, 1:53 AM
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seasons, we lost to the 12 and 11 seeds...I said postseason because I wanted to include his ACCT record too
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still false***
Mar 3, 2016, 1:57 AM
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what's false? We were one and done in the ACCT in 04,06,
Mar 3, 2016, 2:10 AM
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07, 09, 10 and the last three were to 9, 12 and 11 seeds...that's 5 in seven years no?
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nothing...nothing I said was false***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:51 AM
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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except for that pesky "postseason" claim you made..
Mar 3, 2016, 11:03 AM
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which includes NIT
so go ahead and backtrack, or say you didn't mean that ... or something
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one and done in 9 of our 13 postseason appearances...9
Mar 3, 2016, 11:12 AM
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outta 13 is a pattern...5 AACT, 3 NCAAT and 1 NIT...NINE one and dones...I rest my case
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funny... you didn't specify just at Clemson in your
Mar 3, 2016, 11:33 AM
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funny, you never seemed to care what he did anywhere else
Mar 3, 2016, 11:48 AM
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until I cornered you on this one...Link to where I mentioned any school but Clemson in this discussion? Notice you didn't mention any of his other NCAAT appearances in YOUR posts either...is this the hill you want to die on? Can you say nine out of 13 is a pattern? Or are you gonna squirm on that one too?
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I'd be happy to count the 4 one and dones in 5 years in the
Mar 3, 2016, 11:56 AM
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no upsets in the Big East T...I guess that's an improvement?***
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sounds like Brad is lucky to have a
Mar 3, 2016, 12:59 AM
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one game lead on you
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I never got a shot to coach OP's players...I know I would
Mar 3, 2016, 1:02 AM
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won at least ONE with the teams he took
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I would take him over what we have now BUT
Mar 3, 2016, 12:24 AM
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I don't think he's the long term answer for this program. He would serve as a band aid until we can find a cure. Go Tigers!! With BB or not, I will still pull for my Tigers!
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Semantics really
Mar 3, 2016, 2:37 AM
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NO. First sniff of another job and he would be gone again.
Mar 3, 2016, 10:30 AM
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he wouldn't appreciate the fan support or the
Mar 3, 2016, 10:49 AM
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His wife wouldn't let him come back anyway***
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Re: If you had the chance to get Oliver Purnell
Mar 3, 2016, 10:53 AM
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Not no but hell no.
I dont want him anywhere near Clemson again he showed his true colors the way he left.
Didnt have the guts to tell his players face to face they found out through the news.
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