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Our basketball crowd looks awful.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 3:02 PM
 

No excuse to have so few people there, even in a December game against a low level opponent. Our team deserves better than this.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 3:10 PM
 

I agree. For what ever reason, CLEMSON fans just don't care and the football team was there today also. Wish I had the answer. After last night I can't imagine a real CLEMSON fan living near CLEMSON not to be at this game. Sickening


should have stayed in Greenville....

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 3:25 PM
 

Clemson has known this since the 60's

but people just won't accept it.

You can get 80k to travel for a day basically to see a 3.5 hour football game,

but you're not going to get a steady diet of 10k to travel AT NIGHT

to see a 2 hour basketball game -

no matter how good we are.

People need to stop beating this dead horse.

Last year was the perfect opportunity to accept this reality....


Re: should have stayed in Greenville....

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 3:48 PM
 

Littlejohn only has a seating capacity of 9000 and there are almost twice that many students and townspeople


but Greenville is a pop center of 150k


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:20 PM
 

some of whom actually care about basketball.

you won't fill up Littlejohn in Clemson even if you gave away tickets to students free. Not that many care on a continual basis.

In G-ville it would be like the Hornets are in Charlotte - corporate and family entertainment.

We could have used the refurb money for transporting students free to games,

had as many students show up as now almost,

and still come out ahead in $$$.


Re: but Greenville is a pop center of 150k


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:05 PM
 

> some of whom actually care about basketball.
>
> you won't fill up Littlejohn in Clemson even if you
> gave away tickets to students free. Not that many
> care on a continual basis.
>
> In G-ville it would be like the Hornets are in
> Charlotte - corporate and family entertainment.
>
> We could have used the refurb money for transporting
> students free to games,
>
> had as many students show up as now almost,
>
> and still come out ahead in $$$.

Our student attendance last year was awful. They've already made a huge difference in the UGA and Nebraska games, more than they ever made last year. Surely you're joking about this idea. Asking the players to ride a minimum of an hour to every game is crazy.

I think this thread is over-reacting quite a bit. And I'm as big of an advocate for going to support the team as any. I was there. But it was a nasty day, awful opponent, students gone or studying and almost done, and many fans making their way back from Florida.


I've been watching Clemson BBall since 1967, so


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:20 PM
 

and this is hardly an 'over-reaction'.

Hail, I know Dave Angel personally.

The idea of an "on campus facility" has been the death-knell of this program ever since Littlejohn was built.

As to having players ride "an hour", the football team rides in to Clemson every game day from Anderson

which is a similar commute as Clemson to Greenville. I think the players would gladly give up some time for guaranteed better crowds.

As to students, it's all in how you get them there - I proposed providing free transport to and from Bon Secours in G'Ville.

It adds a bit of time to the experience for students BUT

the time is typically a Saturday afternoon - which is minimal impact on students - or

a week night. Students would much prefer free transport on week nights anyway.

And for those who are walking from East Campus, it's already a 20-25 minute jaunt.

Clemson BBall should be in Greenville - Greenville's population is underserved for college/pro sports anyway -

let's see: Arena football, minor league baseball (not same season), and the Bob Jones equestrian team....

That's for a pop of at least 150k. Need I say more?


Re: I've been watching Clemson BBall since 1967, so


Posted: Dec 5, 2016 12:54 AM
 

Yikes.

First of all, Anderson to Clemson is nothing like Clemson to Greenville. Secondly, the football team does it a maximum of 7 times in a season. Our basketball team did it 17 times last year. Third, football does it on a Saturday with nothing else going on. Our basketball team did it numerous times in the middle of the week with class the next day.

That alone should end the discussion.

In addition, free transportation was provided all year last year for students. It doesn't work. They don't want to ride a total of 2 hours to watch 2 hours of basketball.

Finally, Greenville's population is about 60K.


it is low today, but the first 3 games were pretty good...

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 3:34 PM
 

I'll give a pass today. Exams this week, a nasty day outside, and many traveled to Orlando last night.

This place will be rocking when acc play rolls around

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I hope so. The ACC is tough and our team needs the support.***


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 6:05 PM
 



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I'd give a bit of a pass on today what with the late night


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:56 PM
 

football and obligatory Sunday hangover. Anyway, it was Coppin State. It's not like we were playing someone capable of ever beating anyone of note. :)

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:22 PM
 

I was there too, crowd was pathetic!

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:32 PM
 

If Clemson had scheduled a quality opponent the crowd would have larger. Rain, a long night of football and exams all likely meant lesser attendance.

Go Tigers!


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Posted: Dec 5, 2016 6:45 AM
 

December is preseason for all teams. Not every game in basketball could be a quality opponent.

Do you know how many games they play all season? This ain't football.


We still have a basketball team?***

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:27 PM
 




People have lost faith over the last so many years.


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:36 PM
 

I have no doubt the fans will be back. I think the program is on the way up over the next 5 years. Fans like a good product.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:37 PM
 

Was our AD there? Maybe you should complain to him. There is probably a reason for the low attendance and he should figure out how to resolve the problem since that is HIS job. Just an idea.


No, because or AD is on the football playoff committee.


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 5:58 PM
 

He is regularly at our basketball games when he is in town, however. And I disagree that it is the AD's job to get fans in the seats. He has two main jobs:

1. Hire the right coach who will be successful.
2. Give that coach all he needs to be successful (support, facilities, staff, etc.).

We do not know the answer to either of these. Brownell has shown some flashes of being that coach, but has had some down times as well. However, he has not had the support needed until now. Facilities were awful until this renovation. Clemson has finally shown a commitment to basketball, and you are already seeing the results in recruiting (top 25 class for 2017) and in this year's team as well (we are clearly better than last year).

I understand that many fans are taking a wait-and-see approach with basketball, but why can't our fans step out of their comfort zone and support the basketball team more than they currently are? They now have a great arena to watch games in, and an entertaining team to watch on the court. I get that the team has a responsibility to be competitive, but if we are honest we will acknowledge that our team has been very competitive the last few years - just not quite enough wins. Perhaps better fan support would be what our program needs to get over the hump.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:11 PM
 

ahhhhh.. our AD had a "prior engagement' today.. the selection committee.

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Re: Our basketball crowd looks awful.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:44 PM
 

Thinking you should give peeps a break on this one. We'd been there if it wasn't for driving back from fla 2day. Was a pretty late game. It'll get rocking after holidays.

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How many excuses do fans get?


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 6:04 PM
 

Already this year, I have heard the following excuses for our fans not showing up to games (today wasn't the first time the attendance has been poor):

1. Football away game
2. Big rivalry football game/late game the night before
3. Basketball game started too late
4. Exams
5. Poor opponent

The bottom line is that Clemson doesn't support basketball very well. Hopefully we will have better attendance once conference play starts.

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6. They don't think Clemson has quality basketball.


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 6:10 PM
 

LJ used to be rocking when OP was there as well as when Barnes was there. Maybe those students have bought into the team being on the rise yet?

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Posted: Dec 5, 2016 7:15 AM
 

were you there judge. dont lie

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 4:45 PM
 

We have or had a game today? I saw NO mention of it in here at all. Who knew? The only posts I saw were football posts.


probably less than 50 students


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 5:18 PM
 

which is just hard for me to fathom

i know it's exam time, but....


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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 5:37 PM
 

I had season tickets for years, sat through many a bad game and some butt whippings. Got screwed at the well as I hung on a rafter while more than half the lower seats were empty. Then when they decided to redo seating in the new John, after speaking with a rep chances were I would lose my decent upper bowl seats I decided I was done. Probably never go back to the John, I'll just watch at home. I think they made a serious mistake by not rewarding long time season ticket holders. Oh well I saved some money and time.


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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:02 PM
 

Sorry, but I don't understand penalizing the kids playing for Clemson because you are butthurt at administration decisions.

We lost our seats too, and still haven't missed a game.


This happens every season....the crowds never pick up until conference play begins.***


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 6:07 PM
 



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Exams this week. I am sure that is partially the reason


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 6:47 PM
 

plus a blowout game.

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Even in the Purnell heydays, those december OOC


Posted: Dec 4, 2016 6:48 PM
 

games against inferior opponents were poorly attended. I don't think I would get too bent out of shape for a Sunday afternoon game against an 0-10 team.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:04 PM
 

you must have forgotten we had kind of a big game in florida last night

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Posted: Dec 4, 2016 7:49 PM
 

and now they have to sleep in it.


Alot of us where still in Fla.***


Posted: Dec 5, 2016 7:09 AM
 




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Posted: Dec 5, 2016 7:17 AM
 

Coppin State doesn't travel well .
It's a pickle when you schedule them .

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