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Hall of Famer [21077]
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OK libbies
Jul 21, 2013, 10:25 AM
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Zimmerman is not guilty and the FBI says there is no indication that he is racist. Can you guys please find the next race baiting, divisive murder case to jump on? This one is played out...
A young white kid named Marley Lion was gunned down in his car by three black men last year in Charleston, maybe you can get behind his case and protest his death...wait, nevermind. That doesn't fit your agenda. His slaying never made it past the local news.
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if only the world was as simple
Jul 21, 2013, 10:47 AM
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as simpletons wanna make it.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Why don't you stop holding back. Go ahead
Jul 21, 2013, 11:13 AM
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and toss the race bait. You know you want to. I know you want to. Everybody else knows you want to. Don't hide it. Go ahead.
How's it so complicated?
Nothing worse than a weak minded individual, that needs to be oppressed.
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Orange Blooded [4040]
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wow..and a simpleton following
Jul 21, 2013, 2:52 PM
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now connect the dots and see if you can figure out why the republican party can't currently win a presidential election.
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Hall of Famer [21077]
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First of all, I'm not a PUB
Jul 21, 2013, 3:01 PM
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I was merely stating the fact that liberals love to play the "angry, racist, white man" card every chance they get.
The case against Zimmerman was a witch hunt from the beginning with the left wing media and POTUS feeding the fire. No way you can deny that, and if you do you're exactly part of the liberal crowd I was talking about in my original post.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Orange Blooded [4040]
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sorry bozo, only you referred to oppression
Jul 21, 2013, 9:21 PM
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as far as i can tell, everything you've railed against in this thread is stuff you fabricated..you're swinging at phantoms.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Jul 22, 2013, 10:49 AM
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bozo? Really?
Seems as yhough I hit the nail on the head. Reduce you to name calling. Sorry about your crutch.
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Oculus Spirit [97706]
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Only in amerka can a hispanic guy shoot a black guy
Jul 21, 2013, 11:13 AM
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and be found not guilty by 6 women, and have it all be blamed on the white man.
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Hall of Famer [21077]
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He was actually a new race called "White Hispanic"
Jul 21, 2013, 11:20 AM
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being Hispanic alone would not have gotten the response the Left wanted.
So they created a new race...
I guess our first "black" POTUS is a White Black using the same logic.
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All-TigerNet [12098]
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White is a race Hispanic is an ethnicity
Jul 21, 2013, 12:17 PM
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HTH
For srs when you fill out anything now you pick white, black, asian, what ever and then it asks hispanic - yes/no?
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Hall of Famer [21077]
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Whatever...
Jul 21, 2013, 12:19 PM
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the left knew exactly what they were doing when they put that label on him.
Call it what you want, I call it race baiting.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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I agree with racial profiling but I wouldn't like it
Jul 21, 2013, 12:24 PM
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if I was profiled.
I also agree with long haired middle aged men being profiled as meth head criminals. I'll bet Ted Nugent wouldn't like this either.
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All-In [25466]
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Re: I agree with racial profiling but I wouldn't like it
Jul 21, 2013, 2:31 PM
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You have to flip a coin or read a poll to see what you like.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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No, but I am capable of having an original thought.***
Jul 21, 2013, 3:28 PM
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Re: No, but I am capable of having an original thought.***
Jul 21, 2013, 4:58 PM
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I also agree with long haired middle aged men being profiled as meth head criminals. I'll bet Ted Nugent wouldn't like this either.
Well, you haven't hit the original thought process with this one, so keep trying.
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Re: No, but I am capable of having an original thought.***
Jul 21, 2013, 7:31 PM
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clearly the trial was a government conspiracy to take away our guns.
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When were the 3 acquitted? How did they claim self defense?***
Jul 22, 2013, 8:55 AM
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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Ok, fella. You win.
Jul 22, 2013, 9:37 AM
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Despite all our attempts to make that court case about race, it was all just superficial. There was no merit to it.
Now that we have that out of the way, I'd like to ask you a question. Do you think that minorities get a fair shake in our judicial system?
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All-In [31887]
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In general, I do.***
Jul 22, 2013, 9:50 AM
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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How did you form that opinion?***
Jul 22, 2013, 10:47 AM
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Zimmerman is a minority.
Jul 22, 2013, 10:52 AM
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The judicial system is a boogyman, out to get the minorities.
Good lowered.
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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I'm not talking about Zimmerman.
Jul 22, 2013, 11:04 AM
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I'm asking if you think the judicial system gives minorities in-general a fair shake, and why.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Yes. Why?
Jul 22, 2013, 11:29 AM
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Because, there are rules of law, that are strictly followed.
Am I to assume that you think they do not? Why?
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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De facto discrimination, yes.
Jul 22, 2013, 3:10 PM
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Because the facts bear it out, particularly in sentencing.
De jure discrimination, it's a little more complicated... I don't think the system is intentionally biased against race. At least, it hasn't been biased in a long time.
However, I do think the system is biased against those who are less wealthy due to the shoddy state of public defense. By extension, this leads to a situation where minorities are overwhelmingly disadvantaged. So, it is indeed an institutional problem leading to de facto discrimination.
I think this happens in other parts of society, too. Here's an interesting example of what happens in medicine:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/reactions-by-nurture-not-nature.html
For example, countless studies have shown that physicians’ immediate, unconscious reactions to racial minorities lead them to undertreat black patients. In one study published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine in 2007, researchers asked several hundred doctors about a hypothetical 50-year-old male patient who showed up with chest pain. The researchers gave the doctors a photograph of the man, randomly varying his race. Half saw him as white; half saw him as black.
Sure enough, although the doctors insisted they were not racially biased, they were more likely to prescribe thrombolysis, an anti-blood-clotting procedure, for the white patient, while giving the black patient a less-aggressive prescription. The doctors didn’t appear racist, yet their unconscious snap reactions led them to treat blacks differently — the very definition of racism.
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Re: De facto discrimination, yes.
Jul 22, 2013, 3:24 PM
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Don't really agree with the writer's definition of racism... "The doctors didn’t appear racist, yet their unconscious snap reactions led them to treat blacks differently — the very definition of racism."
Certainly shows some prejudice.
I tend toward a little more aggressive response to racial differences in differentiating between prejudice, or racial animus, and racism.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
•prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief
that one’s own race is superior
http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/racism
But many do define racism a little more broadly.
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MVP [503]
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Check his source
Jul 22, 2013, 7:55 PM
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NYT. Enough said. And over a year old. He had to dig deep in google for that one.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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LOL. Enough said? I disagree with the writer's definiton of
Jul 23, 2013, 8:08 AM
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racism, but many commonly accepted references do seem to equate racism and prejudice.
The more important piece from that story is the study showing inherent bias in the doctors' treatment of patients based on skin color. You seem quite willing to ignore that.
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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This may shock you,
Jul 23, 2013, 10:31 AM
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But yes, I do occasionally read the NYT and remember the content of those articles over a period of time.
As an example, many years ago I read an article there about the three-toed tree sloth. It has a very low metabolism, to the point that it takes about 30 minutes to drown when submerged.
I don't care to google it, but I'm sure you can find it if you try.
Or, you can just deny that the three toed tree sloth exists. Your call, buddy.
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All-In [31887]
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Shouldn't you be the one defending that they....
Jul 22, 2013, 11:27 AM
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don't get a fair shake?
I've read a good bit on this subject over the years and remain unconvinced that the "system", in general, is not fair for minorities.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Are you serious?
Jul 22, 2013, 11:56 AM
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How else can the overcrowding of our prison system, with minorities, be explain otherwise? Can't be that minorities are the ones, overwhelmingly, perpetuating crime.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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In the interest of full disclosure, the "whites" posted in
Jul 22, 2013, 12:29 PM
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that table, the category includes Hispanics. I think Hispanics, or Latinos, will be treated independently starting next year.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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I did not realize that. Should make for a more interesting
Jul 22, 2013, 12:35 PM
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discussion.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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And, with that disclosure, you probably shouldn't have even
Jul 22, 2013, 12:42 PM
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bother posting that ####.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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I found the DUI thing interesting. Is it an enconomic thing?
Jul 22, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Do African Americans have less cars, or don't go out to drink but stay at home?
Or is it more sociological? Maybe they're just smarter than us on drinking and driving?
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Racially, theoretically. But since there are those who want
Jul 22, 2013, 1:41 PM
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argue that as an ethnic minority, they get arrested, convicted, imprisoned, etc. disproportionately to their population, the FBI is adding that ethnic breakdown.
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Only a million plus blacks in America? That is intredasting.***
Jul 22, 2013, 12:36 PM
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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It says "percentage". Don't get emotional. I'll confuse you
Jul 22, 2013, 12:38 PM
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with joeg
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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LOL. Who's emotional?
Jul 22, 2013, 12:42 PM
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Percentage distribution is relative to criminal arrests, not population. hth.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Who's emotional? You are.
Jul 22, 2013, 12:45 PM
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That same distribution percentage shows that black tote 26% of the total which happens to be twice the population of blacks, as a percentage.
I really do suck at math but, that ain't hard.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Uh, ok.***
Jul 22, 2013, 1:15 PM
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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Yeah, I basically say that in a post above.
Jul 22, 2013, 3:29 PM
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That said, I think it's fair to ask someone with an opinion how they came to that conclusion.
Otherwise, the answer would have been "I don't have an opinion."
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Yet, you chose to post an NYT opinion.
Jul 22, 2013, 4:18 PM
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NYT....lulz
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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Why are you people all concerned about my NYT post?
Jul 23, 2013, 10:33 AM
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It wasn't even supporting the original argument. I just thought it was interesting. Geez, you're a sensitive bunch.
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All-In [31887]
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Well here's a short statement....
Jul 22, 2013, 9:20 PM
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I added the "in general" to my statement, because I believe that there could be some degree of racism in the justice system. I tend to think that to the degree that it might exist that it is not "direct". An example, might be what you mention above about lack of quality representation...but that really is more against the "poor" than "blacks" specifically.
As for sentencing statistics, I think that those are tough statistics to parse cleanly. There are just too many variables to draw a conclusion that blacks gets treated worse simply because of their skin color. I believe a lot of it could have to do with other factors...behavior and attitude for one example.
So, I come from a perspective that our justice system is essentially fair and I've not been convinced otherwise by some of the statistics.
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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Thanks.
Jul 23, 2013, 10:34 AM
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I think you and I generally agree.
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lulz at the link
Jul 22, 2013, 12:33 PM
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If Obama had a city it would be Detroit
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Roderick Scott says "me neither!"***
Jul 22, 2013, 2:02 PM
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Re: OK libbies
Jul 23, 2013, 2:06 PM
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So sad what happened to that kid. The Missi McLauchlin story was another one I remember well. She didn't get much press either.
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Sorting by modification is krzy.....krzzzzyyyyyyyy***
Oct 29, 2013, 9:15 AM
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