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Now that we've had 2 rounds of debates
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Now that we've had 2 rounds of debates


Aug 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

For those of you who actually watched the debates, who on that stage can beat Trump?

I think Biden has pushed himself to the center enough to beat Trump, but by doing so he won't get his party's nomination.

Warren and Sanders are the opposite. They are extreme enough to easily get the nomination, but too extreme to beat Trump.

Those in the middle who can't stand Trump as a person would never jump for a Warren or Sanders would would hold their nose for a Biden.

Harris or Tulsi (after last night) may have put enough spotlight on themselves for a VP run.



If Biden wanted to really seal the deal, he needs to select Nikki Haley as VP. Then he can push the woman card, color card, and bipartisan card at the same time.

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As of today I don't think any can.


Aug 1, 2019, 9:51 AM

The dems are just plain wrong on the issues important to 85% of the population and they can't even agree. Just look at the discussion on healthcare (free for illegals and no private insurance), immigration (decriminalization is the only plan they put forward, nothing about how to handle the border crisis).

They discussed nothing about the economy or foreign policy in the debate, avoided questions about raising taxes (except DeBlasio's "tax the h3ll out of the rich") and basically blamed everything on racism.

IS there a dem I may could vote for? Maybe Delaney or Hickenlooper. They seemed more down to earth than the ones with their economic fantasies.

Oh, I could bang Tulsi, FWIW.

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Re: As of today I don't think any can.


Aug 1, 2019, 12:29 PM

The thing that I was seeing, once again, is that the so-called "Democratic Party" isn't really a party but a collection of parties sort of co-existing uneasily under one roof. It's always been the knock on it.

Biden and Hickenlooper aren't really true Democrats, IMHO. They're actually fairly conservative centrists and business politicians who actually shade more right than left, and I think in different districts they would have run as moderate Republicans. I'd put Tulsi in this group as well. I consider these guys "business politicians".

After that you've got the progressive reformists. Buttigieg has convinced everybody he's a moderate but if you watch him he's got a similar cerebral take and similar (if not quite as defined and extreme) views as Elizabeth Warren, and precisely because they take up the same space in the room they're going to Highlander it and There Can Be Only One - and it's going to be Warren. She's the dedicated whiz kid nerd of this election, and she's stealing Mayor Pete's thunder. This crew is hyper-progressive but they're still very much capitalists and they're not looking for a tear-down of the system so much as a re-shine job and heavy regulation.

After that you've got the socialists - Bernie's crew, AOC, and the rest of The Squad. Kamala Harris can't seem to decide what camp she's in - truthfully she seems to bounce between a Biden-esque business politician and can be outright socialist in other aspects, but deep policy reform is not her thing, whatever - she's not a progressive reformer. There aren't many of them at the moment but it's interesting the votes they're getting; there's a bloc of what looks to be very young voters who seem fed up with capitalism and are listening. They are interested in tearing the system down.

If these guys couldn't agree on much of anything, it's because there were actually (at least!) three different parties sharing the same stage last night, and other than the fact that they all hate The Donald they really don't have a ton else in common.

Whatever, it was another clear argument for ranked-choice voting. If America wasn't a two-party system those candidates would assuredly not have been sharing the same stage...and I think Howard Schultz would also be in the race.

Because I actually think unless she stumbles Warren is going to run away with this thing...and as others have pointed out, is she necessarily the one to beat Trump? Because she does seem to be tracking further to the left with each passing month.

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I don't know


Aug 1, 2019, 5:02 PM

She would be in for a fight as the backlash would be pretty severe if she got the nod. The Woman has Balls and my vote, she has had it for a few years now and I am glad to see her in the fold. But dark money would crawl out of every orifice of the investor class and we would be looking at a nasty general election, something to the likes I do not think this country has witnessed in the modern era. I mean wall street, the banks, the insurance lobby, Fossil Fuel lobby, and the Evangelicals would all be dropping Hundreds of Millions to keep her out of the white house. Is America ready for this?

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Tulsi worked for Sanders in 2016


Aug 1, 2019, 10:40 PM [ in reply to Re: As of today I don't think any can. ]

She can't be trusted.

Along with her same-sex marriage honking. Insistence that coal be outlawed in 15 years. And all of the typical leans you would expect from a female and female bias.

-DNT

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Biden is the Dems only hope right now, IMHO


Aug 1, 2019, 10:08 AM

At this point, all the rest of them are left wing pandering extremists. They will not win the independent vote.

Not sure Biden is far left enough for the loudest party members to win the nomination.

Then again, it's so early the person who wins the nomination likely isn't even in the field yet.

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Re: Now that we've had 2 rounds of debates


Aug 1, 2019, 10:51 AM

I think Bill de Blasio, Michael Bennet and Jay Inslee would not fall into his trap and would have no problem beating him.

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I didn't watch, but I just read a "review" of the "debate"..


Aug 1, 2019, 11:02 AM

It talked about "winners" and "losers", and it was all about who "attacked" the best, and who "defended" the best. Nothing actually about debating issues.

No wonder no one likes our political candidates...all we ever here is people saying bad things about them, as opposed to everyone just talking about ideas for improving the country.

I would like to see a debate in which neither candidate is allowed to make any reference whatsoever to any of the other candidates on the stage. If you do it, your mic is immediately cut off.

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There was actually more talk on policies than normal


Aug 1, 2019, 11:05 AM

of course that talk was after the other candidate attacked their policy

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I like your funny words magic man


Be that as it may...


Aug 1, 2019, 11:10 AM

What does it say, that despite there being policy talk, all the post-debate focus seems to be on who got "hurt" the worst from attacks? It's what our attention is drawn to.

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Re: Be that as it may...


Aug 1, 2019, 12:09 PM

you can just skip to their closing statements, it pretty much sums up where they all stand.

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Re: Be that as it may...


Aug 1, 2019, 10:23 PM [ in reply to Be that as it may... ]

I agree with you Prodigal, the Networks treat it like it's a game show, or a ball game.

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Yes sir, you're correct. I watched the debate and there was


Aug 1, 2019, 12:29 PM [ in reply to I didn't watch, but I just read a "review" of the "debate".. ]

some good policy discussion - but it was obvious that many of them had planned out attacks on the others in advance.

The coverage afterward was basically all about who had the best sound bites of the evening.

After the 2008 election - I decided to watch the debates only and not follow what the talking heads had to say about it. (I kind of broke my rule last night.)

It used to be good to hear other's opinion of things - just to gauge your own thoughts. But now it's just Anderson Cooper or Hannity giggling about who got in the best zinger.

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The gov of Montana, Bullock, seems like a normal guy.


Aug 1, 2019, 11:25 AM

But the dems will put some dumbarse in there

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Bullock or Hickenlooper would trounce Trump.***


Aug 1, 2019, 1:59 PM



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Re: Bullock or Hickenlooper would trounce Trump.***


Aug 1, 2019, 4:38 PM

josephg® said:




I think any Dem who runs a smart campaign will beat Trump fairly convincingly.

The big problem is turnout. It was low, low, low last election...and history tells us time and again, when voter turnout is indifferent, Democrats lose. Trump still lost the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes and won by a narrow majority of 80,000 total votes in three key states - Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. He's massively underwater in all three now, and he's also losing Florida badly. If those trends continue he's walking to a massacre at the polls.

The problem for the Republican hopes for 2020 isn't that Trump isn't galvanizing his own base; the problem is, he's also even more galvanizing for the other side. Voter turnout was very heavy in 2018 and while it wasn't quite a blue tidal wave, the Dems won handily and re-took even a heavily gerrymandered House...and that sets up what could be incredibly heavy turnout in 2020 since Trump is so polarizing. The problem isn't just that seemingly permanent 42% approval rating Trump's carrying, it's that the 55% or so of the people who disapprove of him really disapprove.

The nightmare scenario for the GOP is if the economy tanks. His Orangeness is carrying 42% with a perceived "good" economy, which is...dismal. If the economy goes his approval rating will tumble into the 30's or high-20's...at which point, "massacre" will be a kind word for what will happen in the election. (I've kind of wondered if this is why Pelosi is holding off on impeaching Trump, not because she's worried she won't get him, but because she's worried she actually will and will have to face someone who is Not Trump. Pelosi is a calculating witch, granted...but assuredly not dumb.)

The question in my head is the Senate. The economy stays solid, the GOP probably keeps it. If it tanks, I think a whole lot of GOP Senators could be out on their tails because there's a ton of them defending seats this cycle, and because they have so resolutely defended Trump that if that ship goes down, a lot of them are going down with it.

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You are a little too emotionally invested


Aug 1, 2019, 10:36 PM [ in reply to Bullock or Hickenlooper would trounce Trump.*** ]

as well as you stomach invested in Lickenhoopers liquid nut fruit, JoeG...

-DNT

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Michelle Obama or bust!


Aug 1, 2019, 12:40 PM

There's not a soul on that stage who can beat Trump because most of his policies more align with conservatives and centrist than anyone there. It's possible MO is waiting until late in the season to announce so she won't have to wade in the trash that was on that stage.

She will run as a centrist after other centrist give up and withdraw. She will govern exactly like anyone of the radical socialist on that stage and the pubs will do to her what dems are doing to Trump.

That's my long shot prediction.

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Lol at your NH comment. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure you’re correct.


Aug 1, 2019, 1:24 PM

But just wow at the level of analysis that a voter applies to his or her vote when a Presidential candidate can just pick a woman of color as VP and say “check, check!”

Maybe that was McCain’s mistake. His VP candidate was white. Still, he should have gotten all the female votes. This politics stuff is so hard.

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they need to clear the stage in a hurry***


Aug 1, 2019, 3:24 PM



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Re: Now that we've had 2 rounds of debates


Aug 1, 2019, 4:08 PM

Haley on a Dem ticket is hilarious. How absurd.

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Well, according to Fox New's poll virtually all of them beat


Aug 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

Trump. Biden beats him the worst. Sanders, Warren and Harris beat him as well. I don't remember who else beat him.

I think if Tulsi Gabbard gets enough attention, she can get the nomination. Not sure if she can beat Trump, I need to hear more from her. If Warren gets on the stage with Donald Trump she will dammn sure beat him.

I think Bernie is past his prime.

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So, Butter..you givening it up? You support Tulsi?


Aug 1, 2019, 10:34 PM

After I basically called you out 6 weeks ago about bulletin boards all over SC, and you put a zipper on your mouth AND YOUR POON???????


-Doc

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