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3-4 Defense?
Jan 15, 2016, 11:22 PM
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With the depth at DT and the size of our ends, I wonder what we'd look like or perform in a 3-4 defense.
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 15, 2016, 11:24 PM
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Have we ever run a 3-4, well last 3 years? I say we don't change anything except for the secondary. Oh and pearlman fire his ###
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 15, 2016, 11:34 PM
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You are right..
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 15, 2016, 11:41 PM
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-^ sarcasm about the pearl
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 15, 2016, 11:48 PM
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3-4 is extremely susceptible to the run unless you have super elite front three and at least better than average line backers.
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I don't get this.
Jan 15, 2016, 11:49 PM
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We have ton of depth at DT and then why we need to run 3-4? It's not like we're overloaded with talented LBs.
How many coaches in college football who have been successful running 3-4?
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Re: I don't get this.
Jan 15, 2016, 11:51 PM
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Uga switched to it several years ago and it got dessimated.
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Re: I don't get this.
Jan 16, 2016, 12:22 PM
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How about it in term of percentage? I think I can name more successful 4-3 defense.
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Re: I don't get this.
Jan 17, 2016, 10:08 PM
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The NFL is about evenly split between the two defenses. You can do the same things from either one, but the personnel requirement is different. To be successful in the 3-4, you must have three huge-tall linemen who are as fast as the average line backer. The 3-4 is also a harder defense to execute and to learn. You always have to bring backers, corners, safties, etc. up in run support.
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Re: I don't get this.
Jan 17, 2016, 10:12 PM
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I think we're talking about college football here and there aren't many football programs that run 3-4, let alone being successful at it.
That's my point.
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Re: I don't get this.
Jan 17, 2016, 10:18 PM
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I agree. College programs do not run it due to its complicated schemes and due to the fact they can not keep the right front 3 much less reserves.
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Re: I don't get this.
Jan 17, 2016, 10:14 PM
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Yea this is dumb. We have great DTs and potentially great DEs, so let's take one of them off the field.... :\
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Tons of depth is even more reason to fun 4-3
Jan 18, 2016, 7:19 AM
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Keep the fresh bodies rolling in...
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Threads like this make me wonder if anyone really understands football outside of Madden on PS4***
Jan 18, 2016, 7:47 AM
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Well, if they play Madden, that's probably why...
Jan 18, 2016, 11:42 AM
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they want to run 3-4. If they play NCAA, it might have been different. LOL
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CU Guru [1239]
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Agreed.
Jan 18, 2016, 11:41 AM
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The one thing that I can think of that I'd consider running 3-4 is if we have, say, 5-6 5-star LBs at disposal and we only Christain Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence and Rashan Gary at DT. Something like that would have made sense.
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Defensive Line is the strongest part of the D
Jan 15, 2016, 11:50 PM
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Why would you want fewer of them on the field?
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His 1st or 2nd year, Venables ran a 3-4 look against
Jan 15, 2016, 11:54 PM
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GT and effed'em up pretty good. It wasn't a true 3-4 defense, but it confused the #### outta their QB. We got DTs that are faster and stronger than most DEs in the game...we're gonna use them in any formation.
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Re: His 1st or 2nd year, Venables ran a 3-4 look against
Jan 16, 2016, 11:07 AM
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Might have been a uniquely appropriate call for GT since the triple option game demands "edge readiness" in addition to big bodies in the gaps...
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Re: His 1st or 2nd year, Venables ran a 3-4 look against
Jan 16, 2016, 12:24 PM
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I don't think that tree of defense has a success. Al Groh and Al Golden are all fail in term of defense if you ask me.
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Re: Ever seen Shaq Lawson and Austin Bryant standing up at the
Jan 18, 2016, 10:27 AM
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Did we drop them into coverage?
They are DEs not LBs.
Why change defensive alignment and scrap a defense that may have 3 first round NFL DEs and little LB depth for the opposite?
Do you want to completely change our recruiting regimen for DEs and excellent defense for an unproven defense that BV may not even like or be his optimim coaching potential?
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CU Guru [1239]
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I agree.
Jan 18, 2016, 11:57 AM
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Running a 4-3 scheme and then having a DE or a DT dropping down to coverage a few times is completely different from running a 3-4.
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Not sure I understand?
Jan 18, 2016, 7:01 PM
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Are you basing your comments on the weight of guys, or what they do at the snap of the ball. We absolutely run 3-4 stuff, every game.
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Re: Ever seen Shaq Lawson and Austin Bryant standing up at the
Jan 18, 2016, 5:19 PM
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Zone Blitz. We've had tackles drop into coverage and make interceptions on zone blitzes too. We aren't moving Watkins to will linebacker though.
Please don't hold your breath till we convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense.
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No sir
Jan 18, 2016, 6:59 PM
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We've run 3-4 quite a bit. Run some of it every game really.
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It is not our base defense.***
Jan 18, 2016, 8:13 PM
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Re: It is not our base defense.***
Jan 18, 2016, 8:15 PM
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Who said it was ?
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Well sure, never said that, but when
Jan 18, 2016, 8:35 PM
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..Shaq Lawson is standing on the edge, and sometimes he rushes and sometimes he drops into coverage, that's an example of 3-4. Never said that's our base. My bad, I thought you were saying we never run it, in which case that would be wrong. We run it and versions of it a lot though.
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Re: Well sure, never said that, but when
Jan 18, 2016, 8:38 PM
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The original post at the top - I took as meaning he wanted to change our base defense to a 3-4 because we have lots of tackle depth.
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Mascot [24]
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Well sir.....
Jan 18, 2016, 8:43 PM
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You're thumbs downing the wrong guy. It actually doesn't appear anyone said anything of the sort you're going off on, but apparently you had a rough day or something?
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=18833376
What would a country gentleman do in this case?
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Here
Jan 18, 2016, 8:15 PM
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Your own personal copy.
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Is there some reason for you to be an ###?
Jan 18, 2016, 8:37 PM
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We run the 3-4, a lot. Why be an ### about it bubba?
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Re: Is there some reason for you to be an ###?
Jan 18, 2016, 8:40 PM
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LOL!
Where have you been the last 25 years?
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I don't get it sir.
Jan 18, 2016, 8:44 PM
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Are you saying you've been an ### for 25 years? You lost me.
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With our DT depth, maybe we should run a 5-2***
Jan 16, 2016, 1:56 AM
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Play in the backfield all game long... +1.***
Jan 16, 2016, 11:03 AM
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We were lucky to get through the year with
Jan 16, 2016, 10:09 AM
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little linebacker depth in a 4-3.
You would need 4 linebackers instead of 3 -n a 3-4.
Please figure out the depth issue and get back to us, Coach?
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 16, 2016, 10:10 AM
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probably like usuc did last year
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3-4 defense with 0 LB depth? Makes sense to me!***
Jan 16, 2016, 10:14 AM
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Re: 3-4 defense with 0 LB depth? Makes sense to me!***
Jan 17, 2016, 10:35 PM
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I dunno but I think that school umm Alabama runs one.. Have you looked at our DE size and depth.. they are the size of 3-4 lbs. Our DE's are a bit slight.. and a 3-4 brings more speed to the field. Plus.. we recruit better than GT..Just a thought.. It's mid January..a lot more conversations to go..lol
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Re: 3-4 defense with 0 LB depth? Makes sense to me!***
Jan 17, 2016, 10:37 PM
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Alabama has the personnel year in and year out to run that defense. They have the best linemen in the Nation. Their linemen all end up in the NFL.
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Re: 3-4 defense with 0 LB depth? Makes sense to me!***
Jan 17, 2016, 10:49 PM
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> I dunno but I think that school umm Alabama runs
> one.. Have you looked at our DE size and depth.. they
> are the size of 3-4 lbs. Our DE's are a bit slight..
> and a 3-4 brings more speed to the field. Plus.. we
> recruit better than GT..Just a thought.. It's mid
> January..a lot more conversations to go..lol
The 3 means big linemen which we have.
The 4 means linebackers. Defensive ends aren't linebackers.
Last year we were #1 in the nation in defense. This year we were in the Top 10 and you want to scrap our defense and start recruiting for a different alignment?
Please call up Coach Venables and tell him.
Please report back what he says.
lol
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Are you being serious right now?
Jan 18, 2016, 8:38 PM
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And did you really post a picture of "football for dummies" or whatever? Wow, some people. And to think you call yourself a country gentleman? Get real bubba.
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No, they ran a 3-9 defense.
Jan 18, 2016, 7:10 AM
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Leo
Jan 17, 2016, 11:17 PM
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Are there any LBs or DEs that could play as a Leo? I'd want that player to be Von Miller-esque.
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Re: Leo
Jan 18, 2016, 8:33 AM
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Yeargin, ODaniel, Ferrell? Wiggins would have to put on 20 lbs, but he's got the "violence" to him to be an option at one of those spots.
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Most of the time 4 people line up and/or rush from a 3-4
Jan 18, 2016, 8:01 AM
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Alabama, for example, runs a 3-4. Watch the game, and you can see they bring at least 4 most every single play.
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Re: Most of the time 4 people line up and/or rush from a 3-4
Jan 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
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MOT
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 18, 2016, 8:31 AM
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I actually think we have the LB/DE bodies to at least try it. Not sure about the Nose Tackle or the instinctive LBs who can cover, though.
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM
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Venable's defenses are multiple. 3-4, 4-3, nickle, dime, 6 DB's, depending on the offense.
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CU Guru [1239]
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That's what everyone does--putting the right personnel in...
Jan 18, 2016, 11:59 AM
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depending on the situations. But Venables mainly runs 4-3.
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 18, 2016, 12:10 PM
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If you're going to run a 3-4 the two main components you're going to need are a massive, space-eating NT, and OLBs that are big enough to occasionally take on OTs aka really fast 4-3 DEs. The reason it's become more prevalent in the NFL is the amount of 250ish pound DEs coming out of college that are too small to be every-down 4-3 DEs, but too talented at pass-rushing to only bring on the field in passing situations. I assume you're saying we should switch to that because of DT depth means you'd have a front consisting of Watkins, Pagano, and Wilkins, and then have whoever we have at DE currently playing the OLB spot. On paper, a 3-4 front of Wilkins at NT, and Watkins and Pagano at the DEs spots doesn't sound too bad, but I'm not sure we have the guys at the second level, and that's key.
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We don't have the olbs for it not even
Jan 18, 2016, 12:24 PM
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Close. A true fresh like smith could easily develop into one but a 3-4 next year would be a disaster. And I question if many of our current ends and tackles really bit a 3-4 end role. A couple of them could do it but overall we would need to recruit and coach to the new scheme and it would be a 2 year transition.
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Re: We don't have the olbs for it not even
Jan 18, 2016, 12:26 PM
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And add our strongest and deapest spot is DT out of all the front seven positions next year. Why would we not want 2 on the field.
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Re: We don't have the olbs for it not even
Jan 18, 2016, 2:18 PM
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Hope we run more 4-3 under
Sam- Shaq Smith
5 tech DE-Bryant , Gary if we land him would be perfect here
1 tech DT- Lawrence, Pagano if he can add 10 pounds
3 tech DT- Wilkins , Watkins
Leo - Ferrell, Yeargin
Mike- Lamar/Joseph/CSmith
Will- Ben . Would rather have more speed here from RSmith but Ben will work
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Re: We don't have the olbs for it not even
Jan 18, 2016, 11:40 PM
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My vision of the Tiger 3-4
OLB Smith, R CB Baker(whiffed on that tackle)/Fields
DE Bryant ILB Boulware FS V. Smith/Johnson
DT Pagano ILB Wiggins/Smith SS Gibson/Muse
DE Wilkins
OLB Yeargin CB Tankersly/ Johnson
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 18, 2016, 11:17 PM
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Thanks for even looking at what I sais.. some of these guys have no idea what we have coming back in the front seven.. All of our DE we have can stand up and play OLB The prototypical 3-4 OLB is 6-4 250-265 lbs. Our DE's are all in that range and our DE's (Huggins/Johnson) will be 290 by tomorrow. We lost a lot this time to the draft. If we could've kept one DE and one safety I'd be cool.. but this time of year is stressful as the teams future is decided by recruiting in the next 3 weeks.
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If it isn't broken, don't fix it. It isn't broken!***
Jan 18, 2016, 8:39 PM
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Re: 3-4 Defense?
Jan 19, 2016, 12:00 AM
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I like it.
Wilkins
Dexter Lawrence
Watkins
Pagano
Bryant
Huggy Bear
(I'll let venables pick the order)
At linebacker-
Ben
Shaq Smith, Tre Lamar, and (insert name)
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