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Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021
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Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 3:00 PM

If Clemson were an SEC team.....

Would Clemson be top dog hands or would clemson be a second-rate Alabama?

I say Clemson would be in a toss up for the top three
Alabama is in Good hands with Mac Jones/Najee Harris/Strong D
Clemson in good hands with TL/Etienne/Strong D
LSU seems to be in good hands with Myles Brennan/Curry/TDP/Strong D
Although Brennan is a more unknown commodity

Would Clemson slip up a Florida or Auburn loss?

What do you guys think?

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faulty assumptions...


Jan 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

apparently if we had an SEC schedule we wouldn't be any good. If only we could beat the SEC teams on our schedule.

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Re: odd first post......but I'll oblilge


Jan 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

Clemson whips all their #####.

HTH

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 3:06 PM

This is a stupid question by someone who is jealous.

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A.C.T.


Jan 28, 2020, 3:09 PM

Another Coot Troll

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Re: A.C.T.


Jan 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

Nah, just wanting an honest opinion, not knee-jerk dismissives, I think Clemson could be number one - You guys are that good. I, however, don't think that they get through the schedule unscathed... - Just wanting to see what y'all thought then you took off the Clemson-colored glasses

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Well.....


Jan 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

We’re 4-0 against Auburn since 2011. Hard to imagine them keeping it within 20 against us

Florida has no offense, we would also handle them easily 20+

Georgia could maybe have given us a game last year with their D and running game but I don’t think they have the offensive firepower to beat us. Clemson by 10+

Bama would be a toss up with Tua but Mac Jones hasn’t shown us anything yet. Gimme Clemson in a close one

2019 LSU got us although I don’t feel like we played nearly to what we were capable of. 2020 Clemson would/will beat 2020 LSU

Nobody else is worth mentioning because the rest of the conference is mediocre / average at best

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Nice first post


Jan 28, 2020, 3:15 PM

coot

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We would win the SEC.


Jan 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

And I honestly don't think we'd break a sweat.

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Re: We would win the SEC.


Jan 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

We could get a lot of players in there too. It would be nice to see what our walkons could do midway through the 3rd quarter of every game. They could recall the time they scored a few times on Bama and Georgia when they are old.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 3:32 PM

For this coming year? Far and away the best team.

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Clemson #1. Rules ALL the Land!


Jan 28, 2020, 3:35 PM

Your #### piece is ####. Hth.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 3:36 PM

1. bama
2. Clem
3. UF
4. UGA
5. LSU

QBs mean a lot in these ratings, return of TL is huge as bottom 2 will have new QBs.

BUT there is not a lot of difference from 1 to 5, less than 7 pts difference IMO.

Would make a massive bet that none of them could get thru the others undefeated.

If the entire ACC were included there would be no change.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

True that the top 5 would be unchanged with the entire ACC included

At the same time, I’d say that Arkansas & Vandy are worse than every single ACC team at this point and Mizzou/Miss St/Ole Miss aren’t much better and in line with ACC teams like Syracuse, BC, GT, etc

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 8:16 PM

Some combo of unc, Miami, Virginia or Louisville will be good.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 3:36 PM

Clemson would be top dog. They'd beat an SEC schedule 30+ points per game on average.

'Bama is most likely the best of the rest next year. LSU won't be the same, not even close.

Clemson only seems to slip up against inferior programs (talent-wise). For that reason, I doubt we would "slip up" against a team like FL, or Auburn. Possibly a team like Vandy, Arkansas, or Mizzou, etc....

The ONLY team from the SEC that might be in contention to give Clemson a run for their money next year is likely 'Bama. Unless somebody like Texas A&M, Auburn, etc...comes out of nowhere and plays out of their minds like LSU did this season it won't matter.

Clemson wasn't supposed to play for the NC in 2019. They had 80 sophomores and freshmen on the roster. If you were going to beat Clemson 2019 was the year. The Tigers will be much improved for the 2020 season.

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Auburn or Florida??


Jan 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

Trying not to be dismissive or cynical of your post since you’re newbie here, but if you were paying attention you’d know that those teams aren’t going to beat Clemson. Clemson smokes both of those overrated SEC pukes. Unless uga finds a pulse on offense, THEY aren’t even coming close to beating Clemson either. The only SEC teams with a shot are bama and lsu (and that ONLY if the drop off at QB isn’t substantial).

Trevor Lawrence had an unusually bad game against lsu. If you are paying attention to anything, you know that his response to adversity has always and without exception to get BETTER. The guy who crushed that awesome 2018 bama team is still there and will play even better than that before it’s all over.

Bottom line - Clemson would definitely be in the top 2 of the SEC, and would most likely WIN the SEC next year. Auburn, Florida? Smh.

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Re: Auburn or Florida??


Jan 28, 2020, 4:54 PM


Trying not to be dismissive or cynical of your post since you’re newbie here, but if you were paying attention you’d know that those teams aren’t going to beat Clemson. Clemson smokes both of those overrated SEC pukes. Unless uga finds a pulse on offense, THEY aren’t even coming close to beating Clemson either. The only SEC teams with a shot are bama and lsu (and that ONLY if the drop off at QB isn’t substantial).

Trevor Lawrence had an unusually bad game against lsu. If you are paying attention to anything, you know that his response to adversity has always and without exception to get BETTER. The guy who crushed that awesome 2018 bama team is still there and will play even better than that before it’s all over.

Bottom line - Clemson would definitely be in the top 2 of the SEC, and would most likely WIN the SEC next year. Auburn, Florida? Smh.




TL had a bad game vs LSU, predictable since he was throwing against 3 1st Rd draft choice DBs. He didn't complete 50%.

Jeaux B also had his worst game vs Clem, lowest comp % of the season and LSU had to punt 7 times. Maybe because he was against an excellent D, the same reason TL's numbers were down.

Clemson would be favored, by very few points, vs 3 or 4 of the top 4 SEC teams but would be unlikely to beat all 4 in a season. A two game season is easy, try playing many good teams week after week, maybe like 7 Top Ten teams in one season.

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Are yall still trying to claim Texas as a top 10 win?


Jan 28, 2020, 5:01 PM

Look LSU had a fantastic season and I'm not going to dispute that, but saying LSU had seven top 10 wins is laughable at best. Auburn didn't finish in the final top 10 either, but I'm fairly willing to let that one slide. Texas, on the other hand, finished the season with 5 losses. No reality exists where Texas was a top 10 win.

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Re: Are yall still trying to claim Texas as a top 10 win?


Jan 28, 2020, 9:30 PM


Look LSU had a fantastic season and I'm not going to dispute that, but saying LSU had seven top 10 wins is laughable at best. Auburn didn't finish in the final top 10 either, but I'm fairly willing to let that one slide. Texas, on the other hand, finished the season with 5 losses. No reality exists where Texas was a top 10 win.




LSU beat SEVEN teams that were in the Top Ten at the time the games were played.
Since the AP poll started in 1936 No team has beat more than 5.
Of course when LSU beat them, each dropped a bit (except Clem).

But in the FINAL standings LSU beat 2, 4, 6, 7, 8. FIVE of the Top EIGHT! No team has ever done that before.

In Final AP Poll LSU beat 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 14, 25. Let US know when Clem matches that.

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Re: Are yall still trying to claim Texas as a top 10 win?


Jan 29, 2020, 8:27 AM

Not to mention Oklahoma - the #4 team in the country? And Georgia as the SEC (l)East Champion?

You know - using the same argument EVERY ‘expert analyst’ used when talking about Clemson’s wins - I would offer that ALL of college football was down this season. So, okay, by the (subjective) polls, LSU may have ‘all those top ten wins’, but with the exception of us, Alabama, and 0-4io State (and LSU), there was a SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF in talent after the top four teams in the country.

The polls just ‘propped up’ five of them (Texas, AU, UF, UGA and OU) right before you played them. Regardless of the fact that your Alabama and Clemson wins could have gone either way, they were legit.

LSU was a monster this year, and will be compared to the greatest teams of all time, but the “who else beat how ever many top ten teams - ‘when we played them’ ...” crowing is about as impressive as us going undefeated this year.

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Re: Are yall still trying to claim Texas as a top 10 win?


Jan 29, 2020, 11:17 AM

Exactly. Just because a team is ranked in the top 10 when you play them doesn’t mean they are a top 10 team or even an above average team.

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Yep, and that's the dumbest way possible to evaluate a


Jan 29, 2020, 11:27 AM [ in reply to Re: Are yall still trying to claim Texas as a top 10 win? ]

schedule. Where a team was ranked when you played them is meaningless, especially in the first couple weeks of the season.

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Bama’s 2018 defense was as good or better...


Jan 28, 2020, 6:05 PM [ in reply to Re: Auburn or Florida?? ]

than lsu last season and Lawrence shredded them. Ohio State’s defense was as good or better and he had better numbers that night too. He had an off night. Yes, your DB’s were very good but he was missing passes so badly it didn’t matter what they did.

Congratulations on your 2019 season. You were definitely the better team. That said, if anyone needs to start worrying about the Auburns and the Floridas of the world, it’s lsu. Jeaux B (holy CRAP that’s gay) isn’t there, your OL is gone, key coaching gone, nine starters gone. Hope you enjoyed 2019 because it ain’t happening for you in 2020.

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Re: Bama’s 2018 defense was as good or better...


Jan 28, 2020, 9:49 PM


than lsu last season and Lawrence shredded them. Ohio State’s defense was as good or better and he had better numbers that night too. He had an off night. Yes, your DB’s were very good but he was missing passes so badly it didn’t matter what they did.

Congratulations on your 2019 season. You were definitely the better team. That said, if anyone needs to start worrying about the Auburns and the Floridas of the world, it’s lsu. Jeaux B (holy CRAP that’s gay) isn’t there, your OL is gone, key coaching gone, nine starters gone. Hope you enjoyed 2019 because it ain’t happening for you in 2020.




Is esy to sit back in the pocket and hit WRs who are clear and far superior to the DBs.

When the DL/LB prevents stepping into throws comfortably and the DBs give tiny windows, throws may suffer.

Of course TL and the Clem O had an off nite vs tOSU also.

Blew everybody out by 30+ during most of season, then played 2 teams with a pulse and couldn't score 30 in either game.

Did he choke twice or did he just not have it vs top competition?

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Spare us !!!


Jan 28, 2020, 6:17 PM [ in reply to Re: Auburn or Florida?? ]

The rankings of most $-EZ teams are ALWAYS grossly over-inflated and everyone but you circle jerking homers universally acknowledges it.

Clemson would absolutely curbstomp Auburn and Florida.

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Re: Auburn or Florida??


Jan 28, 2020, 7:06 PM [ in reply to Re: Auburn or Florida?? ]

"try playing an SEC schedule"

I hear this line from SEC homers such as yourself a lot, mostly South Carolina fans. The things is in the CFP era Clemson has had several seasons where we played multiple ranked teams and then a playoff contender in the ACC title game.

In 2015,2016, and 2017 the ACC was arguably better than the SEC during that stretch. It has fallen off the past couple years but don't act like we have a cake walk every season.

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Re: Auburn or Florida??


Jan 28, 2020, 9:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Auburn or Florida?? ]

Jeaux B ........ so ghey dude!

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

1st. LSU wont be the same. It would be between us and Bama. Georgia could breakout, but they never seem to. We would be top 2 and probably 1 since we will have by far the best QB.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

A. Dogs don’t have hands, top or bottom.
B. Bama’s defense last year was the worst Bama defense in the last ten years. So what are you offering as evidence that something has changed there in the last 4 weeks?
C. Bama’s new QB has big wins over? Nobody.
D. LSU’s new QB has big wins over? Nobody.
E. LSU lost- the best QB in their history - their DC who was the highest paid assistant Coach in the country - their NFL offensive guru. And you assume that everything will be just fine? Uhhhhhhhhh.....and the evidence for that is what?
E. O4O St has big wins over? Other B1G schools.....AKA......nobody.

I don’t enjoy being harsh, but I’m not on your board typing horse apples either. Offer something as evidence to support your wishes. Your wishes alone don’t qualify as evidence here.

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Well if we are #1 in the country (which we will be)


Jan 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

that kind of makes us #1 in any conference now doesn't it?

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Top dog. We’ve been good enough to be top dog


Jan 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

The last 5 years. Our recruiting just hit another gear. We are more deep with talent than we’ve ever been.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

Since Alabama has the number 1 ranked recruiting class...
What a joke!!!
Clemson number one followed by Alabama. Georgia a distant third. LSU forth.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 5:57 PM

Interesting question, kinda like what all those FSU fans speculated on back in their glory days way back in the 1990s. Of course it all depends on which conference teams you play. What division would you be in? What team would you replace? What cross division opponents would you play? And so on and so forth.

Just for giggles, lets say you get put into the East, and you swap with USC (they go back to the ACC where they originally came from). Your West opponents are Texas A&M and Alabama. You'd beat Vandy, Missouri and Kentucky for sure. You'd play A&M in College Station (since you just played them at home). The last time you played there, you got out of there with a controversial 2-pt win, so that one has to go down as a toss-up. With that one on the road, you'd have Bama at home. You have alternated Ws & Ls with Bama, so this year is Bama's turn to win. Then you'd have Tennessee and Florida. One would be at home and one on the road. Both are tough places to play, and both teams look to be on the rebound. But you would still win both - one of which would be a lot closer than you think it should be. That leaves Georgia. You always lose to Georgia, and this year would be no different.

So you would finish either 5-3 or 6-2 in conference depending on the A&M game. You'd win all of your non-conference games, including USC, and finish ranked somewhere around 7-10. You'd play Penn St in the Citrus Bowl.

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“You always lose to Georgia...”


Jan 28, 2020, 6:11 PM

Wow, the delusion is strong with you.

Here’s a piece advice for you, genius - you better figure out how to beat the coot’s third string QB at home or your raggly-azz hedges are gonna be in shambles.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 7:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021 ]

Clemson was nowhere near the machine it is now in 2014.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 12:19 AM


Clemson was nowhere near the machine it is now in 2014.




Oh yeah, it's amazing how FSU falling off the cliff has made you into a machine!
(and to a lessor extent Miami & VT)

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 6:40 AM

Maybe, but will you still be losing to the chickens then too? History would suggest yes

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 9:35 AM


Maybe, but will you still be losing to the chickens then too? History would suggest yes




Well, upsets happen. One game does not make an historical trend. But since history confirms we beat y'all with greater regularity than y'all beat South Carolina, your statement is factually incorrect. I mean who has had the more recent 5-game losing streak? (hint: we never have).

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 7:47 AM [ in reply to Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021 ]

So did FSU falling off help us beat the snot out of all the teams we have in the semi finals? Oklahoma, Ohio St., and Notre Dame?

Did FSU falling off help us beat Alabama twice to win the natty?

The SEC East has been worse than the ACC Atlantic overall in the CFP era.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 9:54 AM


So did FSU falling off help us beat the snot out of all the teams we have in the semi finals? Oklahoma, Ohio St., and Notre Dame?

Did FSU falling off help us beat Alabama twice to win the natty?

The SEC East has been worse than the ACC Atlantic overall in the CFP era.




Not sure what Oklahoma, Ohio St, or Notre Dame have to do with anyone winning the SEC. Try to stay on point here. :) And not sure if FSU's swoon helped you beat Bama or lose to them. But it has helped you win the ACC.

And the SEC East has been 4-2 against the ACC-Atlantic over the last two seasons. Wouldda been better had we played Clemson.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 11:21 AM

And from 2015-2017 the ACC dominated the SEC. Clemson made the playoffs every year and won a national championship. So don’t act like we are having success just because the ACC is weak.

Matter of fact you don’t need to say anything. You lost to a 4-8 South Carolina team that lost to UNC and got demolished by Virginia 28-0 the last time they made a bowl game.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 2:39 PM


And from 2015-2017 the ACC dominated the SEC. Clemson made the playoffs every year and won a national championship. So don’t act like we are having success just because the ACC is weak.

Matter of fact you don’t need to say anything. You lost to a 4-8 South Carolina team that lost to UNC and got demolished by Virginia 28-0 the last time they made a bowl game.



For some reason you keep bringing up irrelevant points out of left field. But OK, since I always give Clemson the benefit of the doubt, I'll play along.

What does someone's record from 2015-17 have to do with Clemson's hypothetical likelihood of winning the SEC next year? (hint: nothing). From 2015-17, the ACC went 19-17 vs the SEC. A whopping 2 games over .500 over 3 years. Some "domination". Plus that record is entirely due to one season in 2016. The SEC has had a winning record vs the ACC in all but 2 of the last 15 years, so 2016 is what those in the business call a "statistical anomaly". And any statistician will tell you that when it comes to predicting future results, statistical anomalies are either mitigated or thrown out completely.

And you tiggies are desperately trying to make a lot out of our upset to USC. That's ONE game. I mean Virginia? From a couple years ago? Really? They just lost to Florida who we handled. They got hammered by Notre Dame who we beat. They barely beat Georgia Tech at home who we destroyed at tech. Come on, ByGod, you're better than that. And speaking of tech, we have beaten them more impressively over the last 3 years on average than you have. So using your reasoning vis-a-vis the coots, we would have beaten you the last 3 years. LOL!

As for another comparison of how strong or weak the ACC is, let's flip the original post around and ask what would Georgia's chances be of winning the ACC in 2020? Let's say we played Clemson's schedule. I guarantee you there is not a single UGA player, coach or fan alive that would be worried about a single conference game on that schedule. ND would be the only potential road block. Just like you. And of course we did go up there a couple years ago and win, and we beat them this past year too, so there's that. That's right, we'd waltz through the ACC just like you will. And we'd do it because it is a weak league.

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It probably has less to do with the ACC and more to do with


Jan 29, 2020, 11:22 AM [ in reply to Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021 ]

the 2 national titles and the 6-3 record in the playoff, both of which equal what Bama has accomplished during the playoff era.

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Clemson could beat any team on that list


Jan 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

Do you know why? Talent and coaching.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

Clemson is favored to win the national title. We'd be favored to win the SEC.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 28, 2020, 9:37 PM


Clemson is favored to win the national title. We'd be favored to win the SEC.




Note that of the Top Six teams favored to win NC, FOUR are SEC.

Clem gets a bye into the Playoff.

Born on 3rd base and think you hit a triple.

If any of those 4 SEC teams swapped schedules with Clem, they would be favored to win NC even if the odds makers thought Clem had the best team.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 7:41 AM

Your logic doesn’t make much sense.

If playing in the SEC lessens your chance you wouldn’t see that many SEC teams up there would you?

Plus it’s not odds of making it, its odds of WINNING it. You still have to beat two elite teams once you get there.

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 12:13 AM [ in reply to Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021 ]

I call BS - Clemson is favored to win the National Title because sunshine gets to frolic through the ACC tulips only having to scheme for two critical games at the end of the year. It is about strategery, Well played, Clemson, well played...that is if you can get past the Juggernaut that is the Tarheels of UNC.

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Re: Wow, delusion strong with this one. You come within 2 pt


Jan 29, 2020, 6:57 AM

of CU in chapel hole against a CU team that was sleep walking through that game and you think you have arrived. Lol, good luck with that! If played again, CU beats you by 30 too!

Guess you don’t have basketball to fall back on, lol.

Go Tigers!

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 7:44 AM [ in reply to Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021 ]

We’re favored because we were clearly the second best team behind LSU and have a lot coming back while they lost pretty much everything. Has nothing to do with the conference we play in.

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UNCheat is dead last in basketball ?


Jan 29, 2020, 11:06 PM [ in reply to Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021 ]

Are they making them go to class this year ?

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Re: Where would you rank Clemson among SEC teams for 2020-2021


Jan 29, 2020, 8:04 AM

I do not give a crap where anyone thinks Clemson would 'rank' among SEC teams. What an absurd question.

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If clemson was in the sec they could lose to uf


Jan 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

Uga and LSU ...and still be in the playoffs..

5 men In.

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Jan 29, 2020, 10:00 AM

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