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New Story: Money Ball: What does a National Championship mean to Clemson's bottom line?

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 8:01 AM
 

 
Money Ball: What does a National Championship mean to Clemson's bottom line?

Clemson made its second consecutive trip to the College Football Playoff this past season, and the Clemson Athletic Department took home a bigger share of this year’s College Football Playoff check to the ACC. The man that Clemson fans love to hate played an important role in Clemson’s monetary gain. Full Story »



Re: New Story: Money Ball: What does a National Championship mean to Clemson's bottom line?

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 8:40 AM
 

It takes a LOT to feed the machine!

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Re: New Story: Money Ball: What does a National Championship mean to Clemson's bottom line?


Posted: Feb 28, 2017 10:50 AM
 

And we don't have any where close to the money that the sec has. There is a big difference, and Dabo says that if we matched check books, we would sure lose.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/clemson-offers-blueprint-proving-money-alone-doesnt-buy-national-titles/

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I'm glad Dan went to the ACC for help because the team that


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:01 AM
 

Wins shouldn't be punished monetarily, they should be rewarded beyond the value of the Clemson name and recognition.

I'm proud of Dan because he doesn't look like the smartest tack in the shop.

I'm glad IPTAY isn't picking up the slack here as it has done in the past. Out Tigers should be rewarded for being Champions!!

Go Tigers!!

I look forward to spring football reports this week!!

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“Let’s make the others want to be like us” Dabo Swinney!!
We’ll make it 4 fingers and two thumbs over the U of s_c.???????
This team is ready to grow, get better & peak the 1st week of January 2020!!
We will win our 4th National Championship at 15-0 making it 3 Championships over the last 4 years!


Makes total sense

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:12 AM
 

It really does make sense that the team that earned the extra money for the conference to get it's expenses covered while earning it. The Tigers earned that money for the conference and I am happy to see that the ADs of the conference and Swofford were able to make this happen.

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By all means, let's not short change Boston College....

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:24 AM
 

because Lord knows they deserve every penny of the revenue they are permitted to steal, errrrr share (rolling eyes).

Is there any way to kick those buffoons to the curb. They bring absolutely nothing of value to the conference.




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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:19 AM
 

Does the reverse apply for our ace roundball program. The ACC will make a bunch from the upcoming tournaments as we will be sitting at home on our butts. Seems we will be getting $$ for nothing for the second year in a row.


BC is horrendous in both of the revenue sports***


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 11:33 AM
 




I guess you are unfamiliar with the Frozen Four?


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:28 AM
 

http://www.ncaa.com/history/icehockey-men/d1

Granted, it is the least respected/cared for sport of the south. However, for those north of the Mason-Dixon line ice hockey is a pretty big deal. I don't know how much revenue we (that is Clemson) receive(s) from the ice hockey revenue sharing. BC is a steady contributor in this field of play.

2012 - Champion
2010 - Champion
2008 - Champion
2007 - Runner up
2006 - Runner up


the revenue in football is much greater than all other sport


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 11:02 AM
 

double that of bball, I cant imagine NCAA hockey being even a fraction of bball your talking pennies in comparison. Here is a website showing revenue breakdown from football bball and tv. It also mentions some championship pool that is supposed to be awarded to champions, but doesnt elaborate

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-teel-time-acc-revenue-1314-post.html


ACC REVENUES LAST SIX YEARS

Total TV Bowl NCAA(BBall) Avg. share

2007-2008 $162.8 $75.3 $29.2 $15.1 $11.8

2008-2009 $172.7 $76.9 $30.7 $15.9 $13.6

2009-2010 $158.2 $77.6 $31.6 $18.2 $11.7

2010-2011 $167.2 $79.3 $36.7 $18.2 $12.3

2011-2012 $223.6 $130.5 $43.8 $17.7 $16.9

2012-2013 $232.4 $146.6 $36.7 $18.2 $17.6


It should be really simple for ACC, each team takes

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:35 AM
 

bowl earnings and subtracts out its bowl expenses (not allowances, but actual expenses not including coaches bonuses but travel/lodging/food only) remaining money is then put in the pot to divide up. None of the bowl teams should ever lose money while teams that dont participate get paid for sitting at home. How backwards does that sound, the teams that bring in the revenue in the red while the bottom feeders stay in the black


also, ive never understood why schools are forced to take

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:46 AM
 

the full allotment of tickets. When the team is selected, they should be able to turn some of the tickets back into the bowl site if they can project up front that they will not be needed. You are the event promoter/sponsor, it is your gamble when you signed onto hosting the bowl if you are going to make money or not and it is your job to promote and sale tickets to your event. As the participant, it is not my job to be a ticket salesman. Again, this is backwards, I am inviting you to my event for you to help make me money but you are on the hook and have to buy x amount of tickets so I can make money and pay you.


Re: It should be really simple for ACC, each team takes

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:59 AM
 

I agree that it's ridiculous that the team that actually won the money for the conference is losing money while the others make money. That said, some teams would take full advantage of travel/lodging/food if they knew it was all going to be covered anyway. There needs to be a way to keep teams honest and not cater in the most expensive food, and stay at the most expensive hotels, or bring extra people along for a free ride that they normally wouldn't bring if they were paying for it.

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ok so maybe set reasonable allowances


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:10 AM
 

you get X $/mile/meal per scholarship per coach ( # of coaches and scholarship players on teams are regulated to certain numbers) each additional player/coach you elect to travel with will be at your expense.

For lodging I think they are contracted to stay at certain hotels. The ACC should completely pay for this cost for scholarship players/coaches that fall within NCAA dictated limits. Any additional players/coaches/spouses should be at schools expense.


Why in the heck should/does any bowl participant whose bowl


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:05 AM
 

check(s) exceed their expenses be forced to clear less money than a bottom feeding mouch? The conference should make them whole without question and only afterwards divvy up what's left in equal amounts among all the conference teams. I ain't no math major (nor English Language) but who the heck came up with the original plan that teams take bowl expenses out of their shared share of the money they bring to the conference? Sounds like a socialist plan.


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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:31 AM
 

We and other schools take way too many people to Phoenix and Tampa. Coaches wives and family members/administrators. If you
look at the video it does not need a 747 and a 737. The NFL takes fewer people to playoff games and they are for profit.

In total much money is wasted any way you want to say it. The band too busses to Tampa and wives and family
of catches/admin flew. No other college activity lets family go on trips on College money


that maybe true, heres how you handle that


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:38 AM
 

set limits and set a lodging/travel/food allowance per NCAA scholarship player/ eligible coach (the numbers are limited and mandated by NCAA) each additional player/coach/spouse/person is at the schools expense. In this scenario, the cost of competing is covered, and rightfully your elective costs are not


Re: Why in the heck should/does any bowl participant whose bowl

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 11:32 AM
 

I tend to agree with this post.

I was amazed to see how many apparent wives, children and non-team/staff others deplaned from the very large aircrafts after landing at the bowl sites. Not only did the increased number of people require a larger aircraft be flown, but am reasonably sure these extra individuals' stays in the bowl cities were, at least partially, supplemented by the university. If I am mistaken in my assumption, please correct me.

After viewing this, while at the same time knowing how much loyal Clemson fans were gouged when buying tickets and staying in hotels with significantly increased room prices to attend the same bowls, something just didn't seem right.

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How does it work in basketball? Roles are sort of reversed.


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:10 AM
 

Just curious.

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:14 AM
 




doesnt matter, my view point would be the same

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:17 AM
 

Revenue getters should breakeven first then any money left is divided. I actually think there should be some sort of performance bonuses given to the teams that are successful as an incentive, but lets take thing one step at a time.


Re: doesnt matter, my view point would be the same


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:24 AM
 

I agree ... but my question was "how does it actually work in basketball?"

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Re: New Story: Money Ball: What does a National Championship mean to Clemson's bottom line?

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 10:58 AM
 

If the conference wants to split the post season revenue they should also split the post-season costs. It's insane for other schools to say that they're not concerned about our costs while at the same time say that they're concerned with the added revenue that our participation affords. How in the world did that ever make sense?


Re: New Story: Money Ball: What does a National Championship mean to Clemson's bottom line?


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 11:16 AM
 

This is a great move by Radakovich. Clemson would have done well with the ACC Championship in Charlotte. The ill-advised, politically motivated move to Orlando certainly cost the ACC and Clemson revenue. Hopefully with the Trump move to make the Transgender "non-issue" a state issue, having Charlotte as a possible ACC Championship site should help the ACC and North Carolina? At least I hope so. No team should lose money when the play in the national title games.

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it was the State of North Carolina that passed the bill, not


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 11:26 AM
 

the feds. Trump has only affirmed what North Carolina wanted anyway... to make their own decision without federal intervention, so, North Carolina then reaffirmed the law and it still stands... until North Carolina rescinds the law, they will continue to be bypassed by some organizations needing host cities for events...

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I wonder how much the facilities upgrade adds to the budget


Posted: Feb 27, 2017 11:20 AM
 

this year and each year hereafter until the debt is settled? To remove that amount from the budget should probably account for the negative balance alone if those upgrades were amortized over 10 years... but that's just a guess on my part...

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Can we bill the ACC for Swofford's paycheck?

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 6:09 PM
 

The fact that our AD has to do Swofford's job, for free mind you, shows why Ole Johnny boy is not a leader or visionary or even competent.
When can we get him to retire???!!!!!!

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Look at it from ACC Conference's perspective


Posted: Feb 28, 2017 9:03 AM
 

I'm not one to normally take the side of the money hungry, bloated, corporate beheamoth, like the ACC has become (as well as every other conference and the NCAA), but will offer this one time perspective from their end.

While they should want to keep all their schools happy, their main focus is to maximize revenue for the ACC. It's the job of each school's AD and coaches to negotiate better deals for the individual schools when they feel the leverage is on their side. That's exactly what Radakovich did, as he should.

Being a part of the ACC gives the schools a lot more access to the highly lucrative television spots that bring in lots of revenue and also gives the schools lots of exposure. Going to any bowl game give the teams more practice time and actually is the one time players can get some type of compensation (per diems and gift packages) without violating NCAA rules. Technically they can sell their tickets, too, but who wouldn't want their family and friends there for the games that would actually bring in the most money per ticket? Travelling to a distant bowl game also puts the coaches near recruits they might not normally have access to or would be expensive to travel to visit them. Then there is the exposure teams get, especially in the bigger bowl games.

I guarantee our applications to go to school at Clemson have significantly increased these last couple years, with two trips to the Championship game and one National Title. If USC's applications skyrocketed with back to back trips in baseball, imagine what football has done to the pool of applicants wanting to come to Clemson (even though it takes us even further from the vision of our founder for an affordable education for state residents). Also recruiting is going to be much easier, with more recruits we would normally have to travel to visit will now be wanting to take official trips to our campus to see what we're about. Also, donations will increase significantly with more season ticket holders wanting to retain their seats or upgrade if possible. Prowl and Growl events will be sold out and jam packed with fans and their children that will want to one day attend Clemson or play there.

Teams always have the freedom to turn down a bowl game, but rarely do you ever see that and usually it is when the school is self imposing a penalty on itself to probably keep the NCAA from imposing harsher penalties on them for some infraction. If your school is going to bowl games, especially big time bowl games, it probably means you are doing quite well on regular season attendance and ticket sales and can more easily absorb it. During those down years or for the schools that have a hard time filling their stadiums, a revenue stream that is 100% profit helps offset the costs during the season. Hopefully the ACC makes sure that each school over time is contributing in some way to the conference in the main revenue generating sports.

In the grand scheme of our total football budget (or our athletic budget), a $2-3 million dollar expense is nothing compared to the returns this brings.


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