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Orange Blooded [3742]
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Better player coming out of college M. Bryant or Cain?
Jan 10, 2018, 6:27 PM
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I think they are pretty similar guys. Bryant is taller, maybe a little faster (but not by much if he is), and probably had a little more upside based on his physical tools. Cain had much more college production, but Martavis played along side 1st round draft pick talent in Sammy and Nuk. They both are vertical threats and have similar question marks entering the draft as far as drops, route tree diversity, and an off the field issue on his record.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cain gets drafted in the 4th round like Martavis, but also has an impact on his team his rookie year like Bryant.
Cain's probably the safer player though.
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Bryant was much better coming out...
Jan 10, 2018, 6:30 PM
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Bryant just hadn’t played that much until his junior season
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MB by far. I've seen MB make catches(at Clemson)
Jan 10, 2018, 6:30 PM
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that Cain would short arm.MB just needed to mature more,he had the tools.
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Bryant was a good route runner***
Jan 10, 2018, 6:31 PM
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Re: Bryant was a good route runner***
Jan 10, 2018, 6:33 PM
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Bryant.
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He can run that nine route***
Jan 11, 2018, 6:59 PM
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Bryant***
Jan 10, 2018, 6:41 PM
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Bryants intangibles/potential was better but Cain was better
Jan 10, 2018, 7:00 PM
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in college. But to some degree we never saw Martavis's overall potential b/c he was in the same corp as sammy and nuk. He was the 3rd option.
We didn't know just how good we had it at that time. We underachieved as far as championships were concerned. Had alot to do with the Defense not being there yet.
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Are you kidding? MB has had the most physical upside of
Jan 10, 2018, 7:03 PM
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a WR since Randy Moss...He is called the Alien for a reason
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Re: Are you kidding? MB has had the most physical upside of
Jan 10, 2018, 7:38 PM
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MB is better, IMO.
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and it's really not close***
Jan 10, 2018, 7:48 PM
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Re: Are you kidding? MB has had the most physical upside of
Jan 10, 2018, 10:20 PM
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Wish we’d have benefited from a little more of that “upside” when he was at Clemson.
If he’s in the same class as Randy Moss now then he gave Clemson about 50% or less.
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Maybe we should have gotten him the ball more huh? His
Jan 10, 2018, 10:35 PM
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career average was over 20 yards a catch and he had a season where he went for over 30 every catch...What else did you want from him?
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Re: Maybe we should have gotten him the ball more huh? His
Jan 11, 2018, 6:12 PM
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I expected a lot ... I wanted him completely focused on playing his very best for Clemson for at least two and preferably three full seasons.
Instead, we got a total of the equivalent of maybe one full season.
He was, and is a fabulous athlete. He just was not my favorite player to come through the program.
I never felt like his full attention was on the team from the time he couldn't make the grades to get in school as a freshman all the way to the day he gave up his eligibility to enter the draft early.
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Legend [16134]
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So you're letting you personal, petty beef with him cloud
Jan 11, 2018, 6:58 PM
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the fact that this was never about his personality and all about his ability?
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Yes
Jan 12, 2018, 1:59 AM
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Yes ... his personal problems sabotaged his ability. Hard to separate the two.
Looking for CM Shack's obligatory "getting the last word in" reply shortly. 
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Well, at least you can admit how petty you are...that's a
Jan 12, 2018, 3:42 PM
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start
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Bryant was 4.42 and Sammy was 4.43. Deon 40 time?***
Jan 10, 2018, 10:09 PM
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4.51***
Jan 10, 2018, 10:35 PM
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Re: Better player coming out of college M. Bryant or Cain?
Jan 10, 2018, 10:37 PM
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In the world of NFL receivers, you’re terribly undervaluing their difference of 3+ inches of height and about 0.10 of a second difference in straight-line speed.
Martavis didn’t have Deshaun for 2 of his 3 years either and he still averaged 7 yards more than Cain per catch across his career. Can you imagine Deandre, Sammy, & Martavis’ numbers in college if they had Deshaun for 2 years and the pass protection we’ve enjoyed since 2015? Those guys are legends.
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Re: Better player coming out of college M. Bryant or Cain?
Jan 11, 2018, 12:37 AM
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Bryant by far.
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Martavis***
Jan 11, 2018, 1:03 AM
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Re: Better player coming out of college M. Bryant or Cain?
Jan 11, 2018, 1:12 AM
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Did Cain say he wasn't coming back yet or did I miss it?
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Re: Cain is leaving.
Jan 11, 2018, 1:17 AM
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Thanks Bro!!!
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Re: Better player coming out of college M. Bryant or Cain?
Jan 12, 2018, 4:36 PM
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Natural talent? Cain.
Physical attributes (whose body is more "NFL ready")? Bryant.
Developmental progress? Bryant.
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Oculus Spirit [83113]
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Agree with all of that. People seem to forget
Jan 12, 2018, 4:53 PM
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the many huge catches Deon had the last three years. I'll list a few of them:
1. The catches he had against coots as a freshman.
2. 2 TDs against Louisville in 2016 and great catch across middle on 3rd down on last drive.
3. Long catch and run against Bama in 2016 and several more to keep drives going.
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