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Rock Defender [53]
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Maybe experience matters?
Jan 30, 2017, 8:52 AM
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Trump signs an executive order regarding Keystone XL without consulting the state department. The company behind the pipeline is currently suing the US government for $15 billion. The executive order will likely help their case.
Big ole edit for @obed His executive order comments regarding waterboarding were made without consulting General Mattis (you know, the guy everyone in here loves) or CIA Director Mike Pompeo.
During an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity that aired Thursday night, President Donald Trump insisted that waterboarding is not a big deal and that it is an effective interrogation technique.
"So, waterboarding used to be used because they said it really wasn’t torture," Trump told Hannity. “It was the one step slightly below torture. That’s why waterboarding…”
Hannity jumped in to say, "That’s why it was legal."
"I mean, torture is real torture, okay?” Trump continued. “Waterboarding is — I’m sure it’s not pleasant, but waterboarding was just short of torture.”
Another order cuts funding to the International Criminal Court by 40%. Hooray! One small detail omitted is that we don't provide any funding to the International Criminal Court.
And leaving the disastrous EO on visas aside, (What a disaster!!! Sad!!!), he's pressing forward to give the appearance of getting work done, without actually thinking about the consequences of his actions.
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State Dept and Army Dept both approved the project
Jan 30, 2017, 9:02 AM
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before Barry got involved
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Rock Defender [53]
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I assume you're referring to Keystone. The issue isn't
Jan 30, 2017, 9:05 AM
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whether the project was approved, it's the wording of the EO that is poorly thought out.
It requires, among other things, any company building a pipeline to only use American materials. Hooray! Except you've got to dump NAFTA and other trade treaties before such an order is legal.
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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I'm going to go out on a limb here
Jan 30, 2017, 9:06 AM
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but I bet, and I could be wrong, that Trump isn't actually the one writing the verbiage in any executive order.
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Heisman Winner [137915]
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But if he is SIGNING them (read, "executing" the
Jan 30, 2017, 9:09 AM
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executive order), shouldn't he be the one reading and understanding them? Based on the footage I've seen of him signing, those photo ops appear to be the first time he's ever actually seen them.
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he was elected to lead, not to read***
Jan 30, 2017, 9:20 AM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Holy crap I just gave CA a TU.***
Jan 30, 2017, 9:21 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Dood, I've given you dozens.
Jan 30, 2017, 10:51 AM
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Some TU just the things they agree with. I'm apt to TU things I argue against in the same thread. It's all Clemson to me.
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Rock Defender [53]
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It's a joint effort.
Jan 30, 2017, 9:09 AM
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Steve Bannon, Trump, and Stephen Miller are reported to be the ones writing the orders.
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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just out of curiosity, I searched for this and could not
Jan 30, 2017, 9:22 AM
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find it. Can you supply the link that provides that info?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: just out of curiosity, I searched for this and could not
Jan 30, 2017, 9:23 AM
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trumps-flashy-executive-actions-could-run-aground-234200
Inside the West Wing, it is almost impossible for some aides to know what is in the executive orders, staffers say. They have been written by Stephen Miller, Trump’s senior White House adviser for policy, and Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, according to people familiar with the matter. Ideas for some of the Trump executive orders came from transition officials and so-called “landing teams,” sources say, who weren’t working in the White House.
The only other administration that began with such swift executive actions was Ronald Reagan’s, said David Vladeck, a law professor at Georgetown University and a former official at the Federal Trade Commission. Those directives were more heavily vetted.
“If you don’t run these kinds of initiatives through the affected agencies, you’re going to get something wrong,” Vladeck said. “A government by edict is not a sustainable idea.”
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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Thanks.
Jan 30, 2017, 9:27 AM
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But it doesn't appear Trump is actually writing them.
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Rock Defender [53]
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That's a strange defense of an executive order.***
Jan 30, 2017, 11:23 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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Its not a defense of anything.
Jan 30, 2017, 11:30 AM
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It's refuting what you said to be true.
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Rock Defender [53]
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So he's signing these orders with no input on the content
Jan 30, 2017, 11:32 AM
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of them?
Doesn't seem to be his MO.
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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I don't know that, either.
Jan 30, 2017, 11:37 AM
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And your absolutism on what is unknown seems strange to me.
My thought would be that he tells his cabinet what he wants, has them draft it, and then he signs it. This would be in line with what he may have done as a CEO of his companies.
From the link you provided, it appears that he is not using a team that is prepared to do this, which at this stage, is understandable, and predictable. I would agree that it would be better that he waits until he can 100% an EO that won't be misunderstood.
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Rock Defender [53]
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We're really not that much in disagreement here.
Jan 30, 2017, 11:41 AM
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Wouldn't telling them what he wants, constitute creating/writing it?
Similar to movies where you see "story written by" and "screenplay written by" in the credits
"Story by Donald Trump" "Adapted for politics by Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller"
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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I have no idea.***
Jan 30, 2017, 11:46 AM
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You sure about the NAFTA angle?...
Jan 30, 2017, 10:14 AM
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The DOE has Buy-American clauses in bids/contracts all of the time. They also have procurement clauses where it has to be NAFTA and one where it is NAFTA plus certain countries in Europe.
We just won a job recently because of buy-american clause and our competition was out of Canada.
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Nobody is sure about anything, and that's the biggest
Jan 30, 2017, 10:17 AM
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problem.....the uproar around Trump so far, with a few exceptions, is like the world's biggest game of telephone.
Like I said before, he's going to do something seriously egregious sooner or later, and I'm probably going to unintentionally write it off because of the Chicken Little/Boy who cried wolf effect.
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Been making the same point on buddybook...
Jan 30, 2017, 10:20 AM
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during my weekend of arguing with strangers.
Never thought I would ever have spent that much time defending Trump, who I can't stand. These sorts of folks are going to find themselves so marginalized if they keep this up. Folks with any common sense and/or knowledge of the subject matter at hand are going to write them off.
And as you say...I have little doubt that Trump is going to do something very deserving of this level of resistance and ridicule, but it will be lost in the noise.
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Heisman Winner [137915]
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Bruh.
Jan 30, 2017, 9:07 AM
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In Trump we trust.
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Usually a "still better than Hillary" is right around the
Jan 30, 2017, 9:09 AM
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corner when well thought out posts like this are written.....be patient.
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Legend [16207]
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How's that internship at MSNBC coming along?
Jan 30, 2017, 9:56 AM
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I heard the Starbucks latte mocha served in the break room didn't have enough sugar in it this morning. True story.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Very informative response. +1***
Jan 30, 2017, 9:57 AM
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Are you working for Republican Joe Scaroborough? You do
Jan 30, 2017, 10:08 AM
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realize he is advising Trump(by his own admission, they also held meetings all weekend) and has spent the last year and a half advising, supporting, normalizing, defending and basically being a mouthpiece for the Trump campaign and now administration?
What kind of liberal are you?
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All-In [31894]
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Do you watch Morning Joe?....
Jan 30, 2017, 10:15 AM
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no way you could say "has spent the last year and a half advising, supporting, normalizing, defending and basically being a mouthpiece for the Trump campaign and now administration?" and actually watch the show. Good lawd.
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Every day for the last 2 years.
Jan 30, 2017, 10:27 AM
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He mentioned it again this morning.
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Hall of Famer [22387]
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Correction
Jan 30, 2017, 10:29 AM
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The last 3 years.
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Well...if you think Joe S has been carrying water for...
Jan 30, 2017, 11:24 AM
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Trump over the last 2 years, then we are clearly operating on different planes.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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More than likely the case will be negotiated away.
Jan 30, 2017, 9:58 AM
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But you carry on with your lack of understanding of how the business world works. People who need each other don't tie themselves up in court.
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Lot o points [155906]
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He issued an executive order on Waterboarding?
Jan 30, 2017, 10:13 AM
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I missed that.
Only thing I saw was him saying that if Mattis had a different opinion from him, he would defer to Mattis.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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I didn't believe Trump again.
Jan 30, 2017, 10:50 AM
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I didn't believe that he would do all of those things he's done and I still wake up rejoicing over having a president who didn't lie about the promises I felt most important. I have the same serious doubts about him deferring to anyone on anything.
Maybe his wife after a blue pill but certainly not this. Obama killed terrorist to keep from having to refill Gitmo. Trump is capturing them for information. He can drone as good as anyone. We lost a member of ST6 capturing those guys in Yemen. I doubt he's waste it all over a little law like waterboarding prohibition.
I doubt we'll ever know.
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Lot o points [155906]
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No, I'm just curious.....
Jan 30, 2017, 10:58 AM
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Robert says "His executive order regarding waterboarding was written without consulting General Mattis (you know, the guy everyone in here loves) or CIA Director Mike Pompeo." and probably hit enter and thought "good post".
I internet-know RN well enough to know he's not just a liar, so I think what he actually did is illustrate the current issue.
The feeding frenzy is so massive around Trump right now that there is a a portion of the population so whipped into a tizzy that they will believe, repeat, and ascribe to pure evil anything they see written or hear said about Trump. Robert heard someone make that point, and then he posts it, and there are probably 10-15 people here who will go about their daily lives telling others the same. It's the world's worst multi-level marketing.
Independent thought among the electorate has been a rare commodity already for the past two administrations---it's completely flown out the window now.
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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Robertn has been known to get whipped into a frenzy
Jan 30, 2017, 11:02 AM
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by stuff that isn't true.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Eat a ####.***
Jan 30, 2017, 11:07 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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Well, I'm sorry you seem to disagree.
Jan 30, 2017, 11:11 AM
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But it's true.
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Rock Defender [53]
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You're correct, somewhat. I was going off of what I read
Jan 30, 2017, 11:07 AM
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and what I heard from Trump on the campaign trail, of which he's followed through on just about everything.
“Don’t tell me it doesn’t work — torture works,” Trump said during a campaign event at a retirement community here Wednesday morning. “Half these guys [say]: ‘Torture doesn’t work.’ Believe me, it works.”
Apologies.
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Lot o points [155906]
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Somewhat?
Jan 30, 2017, 11:13 AM
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Bruh, there was no executive order on waterboarding. Period. There's a massive difference in an executive order and a quote from a speech.
Apology accepted.
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Rock Defender [53]
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The somewhat was in reference to the other parts of your
Jan 30, 2017, 11:16 AM
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post.
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Lot o points [155906]
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fair enough.
Jan 30, 2017, 11:19 AM
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Did you see where I said you weren't a liar? I thought that was internet-hug worthy.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Edited the OP. Luh you bae
Jan 30, 2017, 11:21 AM
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