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Interesting read on the proposed ACC 9+1 model.....
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Interesting read on the proposed ACC 9+1 model.....


Aug 16, 2016, 10:36 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article95707692.html

It actually appears that UNC and Duke are on our side (for once) on this.....

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Screw Calford.


I like how they admit that the ESPN deal wouldn't have


Aug 16, 2016, 10:54 AM

happened without the resurgence of Clemson along with Florida State. The other teams in the conference should be thanking us and doing what we recommend for the best interest of all.

The other take-away is that if ANY of these schools hope to pull Notre Dame into the conference for football, the 9+1 scenario will never get them to join.

Perhaps Notre Dame could give a workshop to the other "NC States" of the conference on how to schedule out-of-conference opponents. Or the other option is to allow these schools that don't want to schedule tough opponents to join the Sun Belt Conference.

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Re: Interesting read on the proposed ACC 9+1 model.....


Aug 16, 2016, 10:56 AM

I'm hoping that something will force Notre Dame to either become a full conference member or go somewhere else. Hate this hybrid deal the ACC made for them.

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Ultimately, ESPN is simply asking for 7 better games on


Aug 16, 2016, 11:26 AM

ACC fields annually with either option. That's it. 7 games.

We could easily accomplish this by staying at 8 games and ditching divisions, which forces 14 annual totally non-geographic, non-competitive games on the league. While these would not necessarily be replaced, they would be offset in equal numbers by far more compelling games that now happen only once every six years via the division structure.

So, half of the 14 dog poop games could be replaced annually by half of 14 quality games that can't be played annually now - there's the 7 games ESPN is looking for without harming any program, its fan base, or the league's national interest in the process.

On top of that, at 8 games, this allows the SEC 4 to continue to schedule top end Power 5 in an unfettered fashion as they do now, good for those programs and great for the league overall as it adds quality OOC early season network inventory outside of the league's footprint. All league teams benefit from that, but it's exactly what they would be voting to eliminate if they simply kept divisions like they are and added a 9th game.

So with 3-4 Power 5 being scheduled annually by the SEC 4, and no divisions, we're already at 9 better league network games. 9 > 7, and we still have ten more ACC teams left to try and fit in a few extra Power 5's. At the end of the day, this is more of a 8 + 1.5, and with Notre Dame's games added into the mix, that's entirely reachable. The SEC 4 already put the league more than half the way to that number.

Realistically, if we ditched divisions (3 annual rival games protected), and kept the status quo on 8 and existing Power 5 scheduling, we would surpass ESPN's mandate without actually having to change a single other element.

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You have to have divisions for a championship game.


Aug 16, 2016, 12:08 PM

Without divisions, you have to play a full round-robin schedule - which is not feasible.

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This option was on its way to passage earlier this year


Aug 16, 2016, 12:14 PM

but was backed off of because Swofford wouldn't elaborate on what exactly the ACC was looking to do there.

I have it from a very credible source within the league that this format would be approved if presented in full. It would have incredible fan support behind it to bolster the case as well.

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Re: This option was on its way to passage earlier this year


Aug 16, 2016, 12:23 PM

Now THAT is interesting. Why did Swofford fail to elaborate? Or was he simply stalling?

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Screw Calford.


Hard to say, but if you look at the list of annual ACC dud


Aug 16, 2016, 1:01 PM

games forced on by divisions, you'll notice UNC is noticeably absent, as if this Atlantic / Coastal structure were designed around them with everyone else filling a gap elsewhere.

Personally, I think Swofford was stalling as he was already up to speed on what ESPN was asking for in terms of content, and he's more interested in the ACC Network feather in his cap than he is the ramifications of making it so.

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Re: Hard to say, but if you look at the list of annual ACC dud


Aug 16, 2016, 1:03 PM

Yep, makes sense if you look at it that way. Good stuff.

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That was before the ruling on deregulation was made.


Aug 16, 2016, 12:24 PM [ in reply to This option was on its way to passage earlier this year ]

Deregulation did not come down in the ACC's favor specifically because the Big Ten did not want conferences to have the option of structurally different from one another.

As such, the ruling was made that you can have a conference championship game in two (2) scenarios:
1) Play a full round-robin schedule, and the top two finishers square off in a championship game.
2) Certify two (2) divisions and the two division champions play in a conference championship game.

So unless we are going to step away from a championship game (and the $10MM to $15MM of revenue associated with it), you aren't going to see anything radically different.

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It's not either / or. The opportunity still remains - it


Aug 16, 2016, 1:06 PM

just needs further elaboration and a plan laid out for exactly how it would work for our league. These committees meet often enough and consider new legislation continually.

Delaney and the B1G would still be against it as it would drastically improve the ACC's fortunes on the east coast by way of producing many more substantive games every year and allowing for new rivalries to develop, cutting into their ultimate gameplan, but the SEC, Big 12, and Pac, along with us, would support it.

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There are some really sad statistics in there...


Aug 16, 2016, 12:01 PM

NC State hasn't played two (2) Power Five non-conference teams in a season since 2003 - to put that in perspective, Chuck Amato was the head coach and Phillip Rivers was the quarterback.

Duke is 14-2 in non-conference games since 2012, but only three (3) of those games were against Power Five opponents (the Devils were 1-2).

And while North Carolina is being praised for scheduling up [the Heels were the only team in the triangle to play two (2) Power Five opponents last season - South Carolina and Illinois], the article neglects to mention their remaining non conference opponents were both Division 1AA teams - and that the 'Heels will play two (2) 1-AA teams again this season.

However, using the ESPN definition of Power Five + Notre Dame, six (6) of the ACC's member institutions will play two (2) Power Five non conference teams this year: Clemson, Duke (Northwestern, Notre Dame), Florida State (Ole Miss, Florida), Georgia Tech (Vanderbilt, Georgia), Pittsburgh (Penn State, Oklahoma State), North Carolina (Georgia, Illinois) and Virginia Tech (Tennessee and Notre Dame).

Additionally, it should be noted that Louisville will play a nationally ranked Houston team, while AAC teams make a total of eight (8) appearances on 2016 ACC schedules.

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Make that 7 ACC teams... but you get the idea.***


Aug 16, 2016, 12:02 PM



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So how many SEC teams do 8+2?***


Aug 16, 2016, 1:38 PM



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