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Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:37 PM
 

I grew up playing and loving baseball. I grew up in Georgia, a hardcore Braves fan. Now, I can't tell you the last time I watched a baseball game. Soccer has become the second most popular sport in America, only to football. I've posted some of this on other threads, but mid-day mid-week World Cup games are getting higher ratings than the World Series. That isn't just American games, either. I live in Austin, TX and the entire town was shut down Thursday for the U.S. game. No one went to work. Have you guys not seen the enormous crowds gathered in the largest cities in the country for each and every game? Have you ever seen that with baseball? The Barclays Premiere League in England gets better TV ratings in the U.S. than baseball. The World Cup is blowing away the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals and World Series. It is ok to not like soccer and it is ok to like soccer and all other "American" sports. However, it is just plain stupid and ignorant to ignore the popularity in this country. MLS ratings are even up by large amounts. Kids all over the country are largely choosing to play soccer over the other sports. I just don't understand why everyone in the south is so afraid of this and feels like they have to attack it. I promise you, folks, that in the major cities in this country, soccer is HUGE and it is growing every single day! Where I live in Austin, Texas, every sports bar promotes the World Cup and Premiere League games to attract crowds. There are dozens of soccer bars that show only soccer. No one promotes baseball.


You are literally insane if you think soccer is #2 behind

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:39 PM
 

football.

Basketball and baseball are way, and I mean way more popular.

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Re: You are literally insane if you think soccer is #2 behind


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:42 PM
 

Is that why random World Cup games in the middle of the day are getting higher TV ratings than the World Series? I'm sure baseball is more popular in the south, but it is not nationwide. But please if you have evidence to support what you say, please let me see it.


This is the WC though... it's 1 month every 4 years and the

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:26 PM
 

US is still in it right now. I'm a fan of soccer (though not on the football/basketball level) and it annoys me that people still find it funny to make dumb, unfunny jokes about the sport, but it definitely isn't on the same level as basketball or even baseball in the US right now. There aren't many people following the MLS or getting up on sat/sun morning to watch the EPL.

Clearly the #1 sport in the world and just as clearly still 4th/5th in the US depending on where hockey popularity sits these days.

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If this pool can be trusted, basketball is


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 2:34 PM
 

struggling it seems.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10354114/harris-poll-nfl-most-popular-mlb-2nd

This is what happens when all the "fans" follow a player and not a team.

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hipster, by your logic figure skating is more popular

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:35 PM
 

than mainstream sports also. Olympic Figure Skating gets good ratings during the Olympics every 4 years; does that mean it's popularity rivals basketball and baseball? No.

This tourney is blessed by the fact that it is taking place in June-July when there is almost nothing else of note going on in the sports world. If the World Cup happened in November up against college football and the NFL, you think anybody would watch or talk about it?



Two days after this World Cup is over, you won't hear a single word mentioned about it on sports networks for another 3 1/2 years. About the same amount of run as the X Games.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:51 PM
 



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Sure, the World Cup is doing well but that's an event like


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 9:17 PM
 

the Olympics. People watch all kinds of sports during the Olympics that they would never watch ordinarily, because national pride is attached to it and we all want the USA to win.

But I don't know many people (if any) in my family or friend circle who could name three, heck even one major league soccer team. It's grown a bit in popularity sure, but it has a long way to go before it tops baseball/basketball.

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 10:04 PM
 

dood hit the nail on the head when he said you are insane if you think soccer is the 2nd most popular sport in the US

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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 1:34 AM
 

Soccer is trending at the youth levels for a couple reasons:
1. Football is losing some steam due to the concussion crisis.
2. Baseball is expensive(unless you only play rec) and arms are being ruined every day.

Soccer is cheap, easy access, and you can practice alone or with others. Also an advantage in basketball.

All of that is in soccer's favor and it still is not in the big 3. When it becomes top 3 in America I'll move elsewhere.


When soccer becomes top 3 you'll move elsewhere.


Posted: Jun 30, 2014 9:44 AM
 

Be ready to sell you home in a few years. And by the way soccer is in the top three in every country of the world. Enjoy the space station orbiting the earth.


Re: You are literally insane if you think soccer is #2 behind


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 10:02 PM
 

Basketball yes, baseball no. Baseball is not very far ahead of soccer at this point in time and pretty soon I think soccer will surpass it.


Re: You are literally insane if you think soccer is #2 behind


Posted: Jun 30, 2014 8:26 AM
 

Compare the numbers MLS vs MLB

Pro baseball will blow pro soccer out of the water.

Compare college soccer to college baseball. College baseball will blow college soccer out of the water


Re: You are literally insane if you think soccer is #2 behind


Posted: Jun 30, 2014 1:42 PM
 

I'd agree that the MLB is certainly ahead of the MLS, but at this point I wouldn't even think of the MLS a the most popular soccer league among Americans. It's the English Premier League. There are also dozens of other leagues to follow as well. Whether it be La Liga, whose global relevance is very strong, or perhaps a Latin American league whose relevance is strong with certain immigrant groups.

Overall, as I said before, I don't think soccer is there quite yet but it's gaining ground fast and will probably pass baseball relatively soon.


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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 7:44 AM
 

EPL is probably more popular than the MLS in America right now.

The gap between Soccer and Baseball is closing very very fast in America.

MLS is a fast growing league right now while Baseball attendance is down.

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Re: You are literally insane if you think soccer is #2 behind


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:03 AM
 

Soccer attendance would have to up!

If they have more that 500 in stands that would be a good day


Comparing MLS to MLB is like


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:28 AM
 

comparing EPL to the NPB (the Japanese pro baseball league)


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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:39 AM
 

ABSOLUTE CORRECT!!this communist kick-ball is not even close!!

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why is every lib/commie/socialist/pinko jhort wearing, purse

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:41 PM
 

toting, yogurt eating, vegan, whale saver think for a second people are afraid?

sweeping enough statement for you?

PEOPLE, they know who they are, might just think the sport is ####### boring and the cure to insomnia.

that's it. no more, no less.

oops, is that going to earn me a yellow card after your flop?

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:45 PM
 

18.9 people in the U.S. watched the U.S.-Portugal game on Sunday. The game 6 Red Sox World Series clincher had 14.9 million viewers and that was the highest rated World Series game in years.


Re: why is every lib/commie/socialist/pinko jhort wearing, purse


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:46 PM
 

18.9 Million people in the U.S. watched the U.S.-Portugal game on Sunday. The game 6 Red Sox World Series clincher had 14.9 million viewers and that was the highest rated World Series game in years.


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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:53 PM
 



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there are a ton of illegals in the us, there are a ton of

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:53 PM
 

approved 'visitors' in the us. it's national pride on top of that with an event played 1 every four years vs an annual championship.

yankees dodgers or cubs would have pulled higher.

"Optimism was high after a 2012 season in which ratings were up on ESPN/ESPN2, and the league entered the first of a three-year deal with NBC. The Peacock delivered slick production value and the sort of commitment and focus on the league that previous partner Fox was just never able to provide.

In 2013, though, the league's ratings have taken a downturn.

ESPN/ESPN2 finished the 2012 season with an average of 311,000 viewers for its games, but that number is down to 227,000 this season. Meanwhile, NBC Sports Network averaged 125,000 viewers per game last season, and is currently at 102,000 in the 2013 campaign.

“To be honest with you, I was hoping that we would maintain last year's numbers,” NBC Sports and NBC Sports Network president of programming Jon Miller told Goal.

Any reasonable discussion of the drop-off in this year's ratings must include the unusually strong lead-in programming the league enjoyed in 2012. With NBC carrying the Olympics and ESPN broadcasting Euro 2012, MLS enjoyed a huge boost in ratings for games directly following those two events.

“We were fortunate last year during our inaugural season with NBC that we certainly had some very, very powerful lead-ins with Olympic programming, and we haven't seen that this year,” MLS executive vice president Dan Courtemanche told Goal.

Still, MLS lags badly behind its American competition in television numbers. For example, the National Hockey League – easily the closest of the so-called “big four” U.S. professional sports to MLS in terms of ratings - averaged 392,000 viewers per game on NBC Sports Network in 2013, more than tripling the MLS audience.

The downturn in television viewership this season comes at an inopportune time for MLS, as this month, the league will begin negotiations with all of its network partners for new television deals. All three of the league's American television contracts – NBC, ESPN and Univision – expire after the 2014 season."

http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2013-09-09/mls-tv-ratings-lag-behind-other-league-milestones

there are you numbers. good luck with that.

and Go USA! i still won't watch that boring as sport.

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Nice research about the MLS but


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:05 PM
 

2013 was also the first year that every single English Premier league game was broadcasted live on tv or via the internet in the US. Do you think their was viewer competition there? Americans typically want to watch the best and the MLS is far from that. But it is getting better every year and more big names are coming.


it is what it is and us leagues have been around since

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:19 PM
 

the 60s/70s when i saw pele & chinaglia play for the cosmos against the rowdies.b i'm pretty sure they were the best.

basically, this is not something new & bending it like beckham never did what they hoped. back to the drawing board.

the greatest gift to soccer is access, no doubt, but when hockey is kicking your ###, you got a problem.

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Re: there are a ton of illegals in the us, there are a ton of


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 7:00 PM
 

I said nothing about the MLS except that in 11 cities, it has better attendance than their MLB teams. Most American Soccer fans watch European Leagues. I'm a Chelsea fan and watch every single game. The majority of my friends are hardcore Man U or Arsenal and watch every game. Like I said, there is a reason NBC just paid 250 million for rights to the Premiere League with no American teams. The MLS will grow, but the elite talent is in Europe and millions upon millions of Americans watch every game.


there are by some estimates as high as 30 million illegals


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 8:04 PM
 

in the us and i have no doubt they watch soccer.

your said soccer was 2nd, not one number i gave you for the US supports you or that including the pathetic mls.

grind again.

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Re: there are by some estimates as high as 30 million illegals

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 10:04 PM
 

If you think that the majority of soccer viewership is limited to illegal aliens then you're an idiot.


good thing i pointed out a large pool of soccer viewers, a

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 10:16 PM
 

pool that grows daily.

as for attendance at games i've been to by far the largest contingent was comprised of "limited or non-english" speaking hispanics.

i didn't scream INS to see how many of them ran, so i don't know if they were in the states on the up and up or illegally.

as far as the idiot comment, i've seen your work before. you don't even move the needle.

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Re: good thing i pointed out a large pool of soccer viewers, a


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:30 PM
 

First things first: the idiot comment wasn't intended to rile you up. Not trying to "move the needle". Simply saw something I considered to be ridiculous.

Regarding the largest contingent of the fanbase being hispanic, these numbers suggest otherwise:

65% of the MLS fanbase is white, 34% is hispanic. No doubt that's a high number of hispanics, but that's to be expected. However they're by no means the majority.


like i said, it didn't move the needle & i'm sure the


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:38 PM
 

numbers can change by location, event or other. i've been to orlando and dc united twice. the dc united event required 4 translators to put on and those were just from our company.

by 2050ish "hispanic" is estimated to be the largest % of the population, some of those will have "honest" roots, many others not so much.

in either event the pool as mentioned stands and is growing.

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Re: like i said, it didn't move the needle & i'm sure the


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 1:28 PM
 

I don't disagree with you regarding the growing hispanic/Latin population and that many of them are here illegally. The rising number of Latin people in the US is surely making an impact on the popularity of the sport, but the thing that made me cringe a bit is when you suggested that illegal aliens are the ones driving its popularity.

We are certainly becoming a more international, diverse country, but I think things like technology are a big piece of the sport's rising popularity as well. Twenty years ago it would be very difficult to follow something like La Liga or the Premier League from the United States. Now it's incredibly easy.

This isn't just limited to the United States and soccer though. It's happening around the world. Here in Brasil, the popularity of the NBA & NFL is skyrocketing. The younger generation has jumped on board with these sports while the older part of the population is reluctant (sound familiar?). The American population in Brasil isn't growing at a high rate, and it's extremely rare to see another American living here. It's not a reverse-browning of the population driving the trend, it's greater access.

Ultimately, I think that's the real driving force behind soccer's rising popularity in the United States.


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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 2:51 PM
 

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=15494795

said the same yesterday; access is amazing these days for not just soccer & sport, but life and life's pursuits.

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Re: there are a ton of illegals in the us, there are a ton of


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 7:06 PM
 

Not only are Premiere League ratings high in the U.S. the Champions League games in mid afternoon mid-week were getting 2 million viewers in the U.S. I'm talking noon on a Tuesday. No regular season baseball game has 2 million viewers at noon on a Tuesday.


Re: why is every lib/commie/socialist/pinko jhort wearing, purse


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:14 PM
 

LMBO!!!!!! Well said!


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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:48 PM
 

but that's OK.

The World Cup is an event. Watch the crowds shrink after the US gets bounced.

I don't think anyone is terrified or afraid of soccer's popularity. I think you just made that fact up to argue it.

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Soccer is undeniably on the rise


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:49 PM
 

I don't think it will ever reach the top two in America but it is just a matter of years, not decades before it dethrones baseball as #3 in the USA (football #1 and basket ball #2). The demographics in America are changing very rapidly. And the influx of immigrants and natives growing up with it will stoke the fire.


Re: Soccer is undeniably on the rise

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:56 PM
 

And I'm a Republican, who was raised in Georgia, for anyone trying the liberal argument. I'm certainly not a hipster, but I am conscious to what is going on around me and not stuck in an unchanging mindset. 11 MLS teams are outdrawing the MLB team in their city. That's over half the teams in the MLS. Young people in every major city are watching European Regular Season Soccer and a lot of cities are watching the MLS. There is a hardcore following of international soccer in EVERY major city in this country. Do the research.


Re: Soccer is undeniably on the rise


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:53 PM
 

if you have watched the wc, then you must recognize we are nowhere near the level of better teams. we have beaten this issue to death. we had to hire a foreign born coach and have five foreign players with u.s. citizenship just to get this far. players have seizures on field when they get nudged. it's absurd. btw, mls sucks and nowhere near is professional as foreign club leagues. it's the aa baseball of soccer. give me college hoops or nba any day over mls.

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We lost 1-0 to Germany, on of the top 5 teams in the world


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:32 AM
 

with our best striker injured. We drew with (and should have beaten) Portugal, who has one of the 3 best players in the world in C. Ronaldo. How can you say we're nowhere near the level of better teams when we show time and time again that we can take those teams to the brink?


I don't care if people don't like soccer

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:58 PM
 

But to continue to make disparaging comments about it is just a waste if time. I think golf and baseball are boring but I don't carve out time to flame them. I appreciate thoughtful conversation especially from someone who doesn't like soccer but man their are some people that really can't help making an #### out of themselves with their slurs. It's just a game. Being a fan of soccer has felt like being part if some underground movement. ESPN made the slurs acceptable many years ago with constant jokes about soccer but even they too have changed their tone. ESPN knows where the money is going and it's in the rise of tv rights for the beautiful game.


Yep at this point in my life i can't even sit through a


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:30 PM
 

baseball game unless I'm at the park eating dogs and drinking beer. It's just incredibly slow and boring.

Soccer may have it's dull moments but it's at least steady action for 90+ minutes with only one significant break and the impact of a goal can be so great that many games never really feel like they are over and the anticipation of that huge goal can really make the game enjoyable.

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ESPN is trying stay ahead of the curve...

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:35 PM
 

they have tried that in the past and it's failed. Not every burgeoning sport keeps growing. USFL failed for ESPN. UFC was on the rise for a long time, but recently with some super stars retiring, PED use, and no new stars, UFC is starting to fall off somewhat. I respect Soccer, but it is far from becoming an established major sport in the USA. Long way to go before that becomes a possibility.

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And the children of those immigrants will be playing...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:30 PM
 

football and basketball, not soccer. The children of immigrants are more Americanized than their parents. I know a Mexican women who has differences on music with her children. They like hip hop, she doesn't. She likes Mariachi music, her kids do not. Same thing will be happening with sports. There are a lot of immigrant children that are into Football and Basketball more than soccer, that's because they spent more time growing up here than in their native country.

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Re: And the children of those immigrants will be playing...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 7:13 PM
 

Pretty unsubstantiated opinion based on your limited experience. Not what I see happening in youth sports at all. Hey, I love football as much as the next guy (you can have bball and baseball) but the growing popularity of soccer cannot be denied.


Re: And the children of those immigrants will be playing...

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 7:35 PM
 

There are small minds in small places. No matter what facts are given, there are people who will hate soccer because it is "UnAmerican". People stuck in their ways will never change. They will always hate what they hate and never try new things. The sad thing is instead of saying, oh well soccer isn't my cup of tea, but I respect those who love it and it is definetly growing and they are good athletes, they say nothing but negatives. There are some of you who have been respectful, but unfortunately, there is a large majority who just try to degrade anything that doesn't fit them. They are the same people who hate gays and minorities because they don't fit their lifestyle. No one asks anyone to like soccer. I think every soccer supporter on this site has just asked that people be open minded. That is impossible for some people.


I don't think it's fair to compare those who don't agree with you to...


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 7:24 AM
 

racists and homophobes. That's not fair at all.


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Re: And the children of those immigrants will be playing...

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 8:27 PM
 

Surprise surprise. A liberal turned a soccer debate into a racist homophobic war being waged in this country.

He11 im just surprised that he waited that long in the debate to break out the race card. Thats usually the first thing they go for in order to silence opposition from pointing out their ridiculous arguments

Have fun watching MLS at Starbucks while simultaneously reading the Huffington Post and staring at your Apple laptop....Pretentious


Re: Soccer is undeniably on the rise


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:06 PM
 

yep.. it recently passed "watching paint dry"; is moving up on "clipping toe nails and dog shows" LMAO

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Re: Soccer is undeniably on the rise


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 7:24 PM
 

if those were criteria for ranking sports, it would still be just above baseball and NASCAR...both incredibly boring.


Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 1:57 PM
 

what a CROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO

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Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:10 PM
 

Colin Cowherd said yesterday that ESPN cares more about the rights to soccer going forward than they do any other sport. He said they will pay more for the World Cup than anything else on the planet.


That's interesting considering FOX just outbid ESPN for

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:31 PM
 

rights to the 2018 and 2022 world cups.

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Re: That's interesting considering FOX just outbid ESPN for


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:36 PM
 

Fox Outbids ESPN for World Cup Rights

By JERÉ LONGMAN OCTOBER 21, 2011 1:43 PM 21 Comments

Fox and Telemundo, the Spanish-language network that is a division of NBC Universal, won the American television rights to broadcast soccer’s World Cup in 2018 and 2022, according to soccer and television officials.

The rights fee was not announced by FIFA, soccer’s world governing body, but a person familiar with the outcome said that the amount was significantly higher than the combined $425 million that ESPN ($100 million) and the Spanish-language network Univision ($325 million) paid for the American rights to the 2010 and 2014 World Cups.

Bids for the English-language rights for 2018 and 2022 by Fox, ESPN and NBC Universal were made in Zurich, where FIFA is located, on Wednesday, along with Spanish-language bids by Univision and Telemundo. Bids were resubmitted Thursday.


ESPN had been widely considered to be the favorite to retain the rights for the 2018 World Cup, which will be played in Russia, and the 2022 World Cup, which will be played in Qatar.

Because ESPN is the country’s premier sports network and has heavily invested in American soccer, Friday’s decision brought concern by American soccer officials. At the same time, there was hope that Fox might be able to help grow the sport through its various platforms.

“We made a disciplined bid that would have been both valuable to FIFA and profitable for our company, while continuing to grow our unprecedented coverage of the World Cup and Women’s World Cup events,” EPSN said in a statement. “We were aggressive while remaining prudent from a business perspective.”

ESPN said it remained committed to “presenting soccer at its highest level across our platforms,” including the 2012 European Championship, the English Premier League, Major League Soccer and the 2014 World Cup in Brazil.

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/fox-outbids-espn-for-world-cup-rights/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

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Re: That's interesting considering FOX just outbid ESPN for


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:37 PM
 

Considering the rights this year were 325 million, Fox probably paid 400 Million or more for them. I didn't say ESPN would get them. I said Cowherd said ESPN wanted them more than any other sporting event. Fox must have too. It isn't surprising. Fox Sports pays a ton for the European Champions League rights already. Fox loves soccer.


Re: That's interesting considering FOX just outbid ESPN for


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:39 PM
 

Apparently far more than the 425 mill combined that was paid for this years according to the article that someone just posted. Networks are in huge bidding wars over soccer. Aren't you just proving my point more?


no. heck, nbc paid 4.4 billion for nascar's rights,

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:46 PM
 

or 440 million a year for 10 years.

nbc paid all of 250mil for 3 years of epl or about 83mil per year.

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Re: no. heck, nbc paid 4.4 billion for nascar's rights,


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:49 PM
 

That's a lot for something that isn't played on American soil. They are investing 250 million in a league that is not played on American soil. That says a lot.


dood, it's nascar, which is going backwards. you want to

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:04 PM
 

look up baseball, nfl, college football, college basketball, nba and the billions upon billions for US viewing plus any the of "whatever" they might get outside the US?

it's a world market you're discussing, they paid almost nothing for those rights, 83mil? they probably went thru a lazy boy in the nbc lounge and found that change.

listen, it'll get better for you, but pulling "once every 4 year numbers" out & tossing them around like they really amount to anything versus an annual event is a little dishonest, especially when someone shows you nascar taps dat #### on an annual basis... hockey does too btw.

if you love the sport that's awesome! i dig that and support you in what you like, but don't come here with that tired pinko rhetoric about being afraid or not understanding or the "world's game this or that"; a world game which is often celebrated in some far away 3rd world country kicking a coconut. it's not cosmopolitan and neither are you for liking it.

grow a set & enjoy your world cup! go usa!

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Re: no. heck, nbc paid 4.4 billion for nascar's rights,


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:05 PM
 

If you combine the 250 Million being paid by NBC for EPL rights for the next 3 seasons with no American teams and not on American soil with the 500 million or whatever the final number is being paid for World Cup rights by FOX (an event that lasts for less than a month every 4 years), that's 750 Million being invested in the country on soccer that's being played outside of this country. That's not even counting the MLS, which is outdrawing the MLB team in their city in 11 cities. Those numbers matter.


please stop trying to tie the 'world's' game & market into


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:17 PM
 

what the us does or does not like.

i gave you those numbers, msl is 5th and had a huge drop in 2013 over 2012 with the olympics wave passing. you might be better off dealing with that and then hope lacrosse is too expensive for most high schools to take on or it will surpass soccer. last i saw, lax was the nation's fastest growing sport?

lax gives americans, gawd help us, what many desire most, a sport that takes balls to play. sorry, soccer needs to take the violence out of the stands and down to the field for a lot of people to take notice.

anyway, enjoy your few weeks and the crest of the wc wave as it will crash upon the rocks soon enough.

go usa!

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 2:47 PM
 

monster trucks, autocross and womens beach vollyeball.

And I don't care if you like them or not, as long as there are others who like them enough to make them telivsed.

You love Soccer..go soccer your self to death...I don't give a rip.

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Everyone? Terrified?

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:03 PM
 

Who are you talking about? I don't watch it or keep up with it. I don't care if you and a billion other people do...I'm fine with that. Please don't demand that I do.
College football, basketball and baseball are all the sports that I have time for and then some. This website happens to be about my interests. Surely there is another one for you to talk about yours on.


Re: Everyone? Terrified?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:11 PM
 

No one has demanded anything of you. Everyone who has defended soccer has simply said that you can't ignore it's popularity. No one demands that you watch it. Clemson Football is my number one sporting interest above all else, so this is my board and we are free to talk about other topics. I follow every story, game and recruiting tidbit every single day and always have. I can name every single kid on our football roster by position and number including walk on's, so please don't question my interests. There is this funny thing. It is called you can select which post you click on to commentate on. Try that.


Re: Everyone? Terrified?

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:37 PM
 

Why don't you try to not make such an outrageous implication....EVERYONE....TERRIFIED. I think you're terrified that your obsession with soccer is not going to affirmed by "EVERYONE".


In the end this is still a sports board. You can argue

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:12 PM
 

about which board it actually belongs on on Tigernet, but people simply annoyed by the fact that others want to discuss soccer and feel the need to go out of their way to try to criticize, make fun of, and vocalize their disdain for the sport, really aren't accomplishing anything.

I'm not in favor of others trying to force soccer down the throats of those that don't care either, but anyone that comes into a legitimate world cup thread and posts some crap about how stupid soccer in can just gtfo as far as I'm concerned.

If you don't care, act like you don't care.

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Well said. If u don't care act like it


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:21 PM
 

And don't come to a soccer thread at all. That needed repeating. Saying you don't care and bashing makes you look like you really care more than you are willing to admit. There are a lot of older tiger fans on this board who spend a lot of time on Tnet and they are the ones telling us to grow up but their comments don't seam to show the same maturity they wish to impose on the rest of us.


Terrified? LOL! I can only speak for myself, but I just

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:15 PM
 

don't care for it. No matter how much you like it (which is perfectly fine), and no matter how the media tries to convince us otherwise, soccer just isn't that big of a deal here in the good ole USA. I have nothing against soccer, but I didn't grow up playing it, and have little interest it beyond the World Cup, which I have enjoyed, but only when the USA is playing. Soccer is just second fiddle here to the likes of football, baseball, basketball, golf, horseshoes, racin', and rasslin'.

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Re: Terrified? LOL! I can only speak for myself, but I just


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:32 PM
 

And that's fine. You don't have to like it. The facts are the facts. More kids are playing soccer in this country than any other sport and the 18-34 demographic (which is the most important among advertisers) care more about soccer than anything, but the NFL. That's why the World Cup is getting better ratings than the World Series. It just can't be denied the rise in popularity and the direction the sport is going. 20 years from now, it is going to matter what 18-34 year olds are watching, not that their dead grandparents loved baseball. No young person in this country watches baseball. I'm close to 30 years old, I'm not a teenager, but I honestly, don't know one person my age or younger that watches baseball. Everyone I know watches soccer. Everyone I know watches football. The media and the networks are pushing it because they are looking out for their future and they know what the young generations and their kids love. It is soccer. Heck guys in 1950, everyone said football would never be as big as baseball. Now, it isn't even a comparison. Things change, cultures change and with the influx of the Hispanic communities all over this country, it increases soccer revenue even more. Everyone is entitled to what they enjoy watching. It is just a dumb argument to act like people don't care. This country follows what it's biggest cities do and look at soccer ratings in DC, NY, SF, LA, Boston, Chicago, Houston, Seattle, etc...It cannot be denied the direction in which it is heading.


And those kids playing soccer go on to play different sports

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:37 PM
 

as they get older.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:57 PM
 

just to be safe, since that will surely follow along with the soccer wave. I tell you, it's a great rush to pass a cop at 80km/hr.

They told me that would be taking over back in the 1970's too, along with everybody loving soccer. The USA was going to adapt to the rising and popular "Global Standards".

I remember being so afraid that they were going to change the golf course yardages over to meters.

I'm not anymore.

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Professional and college soccer are both far behind


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:10 PM
 

more traditional American sports in terms of popularity. The temporary spike in interest due to the world cup is just that - temporary. Get back with us when that changes.

Soccer is growing in popularity; the networks know it's the future; things change, America is changing, the world is changing, blah blah blah blah blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

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The wussification of America continues

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 6:27 PM
 

More kids play soccer because mommy is terrified her precious angel might get a boo boo playing. It was either soccer or badminton, possibly cricket.

P.S. Do you know how insanely popular badminton is in Indonesia? And cricket, whoo, they're gaga over cricket in India.

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Re: The wussification of America continues


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 6:32 PM
 

Because baseball and basketball are so dangerous...just keep repeating what you were told to think rather than be able to use actual logic.


Re: The wussification of America continues

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:31 PM
 

Ever had 95 mph fastball to the skull or a line drive? Probably not. You probably couldn't even play baseball. Kicking a ball and running was just easier.

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Re: The wussification of America continues


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 10:48 AM
 

not a big fan of soccer but my son played and now coaches the sport. hate to tell you, but most of you wimmen would not make it one half of a game of soccer. it takes very skilled and conditioned athletes that would make most of you haters soil yourselves just being on the same field with the guys that play it.

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Basketball is the 2nd most popular sport.....


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:21 PM
 

in this country followed by baseball. Soccer still has a long way to go, to even be considered a popular American sport. The MLS is still largely a marginal professional league. None of the best players in the world play in the MLS, and no an old David Beckham coming over late in his career doesn't count.

I have no problem with soccer, but it's popularity in this country is being vastly exaggerated. The only time people get into soccer in this country is during the world cup out of national pride. Sort of like the Olympics. A lot of people watch the Olympics, but they never watch any Olympic sports when the Olympics aren't being held.

Using Austin is a bad example. It's a very liberal and unique city in the country. What happens there isn't indicative of the rest of the country.

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Re: Basketball is the 2nd most popular sport.....


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:38 PM
 

All major cities are liberal and that is where the ratings are huge. Austin ratings aren't nearly as high as NY, DC, SF, Chicago, Houston, Seattle, LA, etc as I've previously stated. Large liberal cities are where all the young people are and they will determine what is popular going forward.


Soccer does not get higher ratings than basketball...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:45 PM
 

listen I respect soccer, but you are over exaggerating it's popularity. What your describing could happen in the future but unlikely. Like I said before people in this country only get into Soccer during the World Cup, just like the Olympics. And the best athletes in this country are still choosing Football and Basketball.

Also, young hispanic immigrants are not into soccer the way their parents are. They are much more Americanized. South Carolina has the largest growing hispanic population in the nation, and the type of sports apparel young hispanics wear are football and basketball related.

I'm not putting soccer down, it's just what your describing is a far off possibility that may never happen.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:47 PM
 

To ESPN or any other entertainment industry. The INDUSTRY must make make money and bet on trends that will make money. In particular what the young will spend money on. Baseball is dying. The Greatest generation of America is dying. Things change. It's ok you can't stop it.

Investing in soccer is like investing in BRIC nations. Risk but tons of potential and untapped energy.


I didn't say baseball wasn't dying...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:59 PM
 

I was stating that the assertions of soccer's popularity in the USA are exaggerated and based off of a lot of what if's. ESPN has failed a bunch of times with different pro leagues. ESPN has actually never had anything to do with an increased popularity in a sport. ESPN was way behind the curve in catching up with the popularity that the UFC once had. So using ESPN is a bad example. ESPN has only been successful in promoting sports that are already popular and got popular while ESPN had a dismissive attitude about. So ESPN over promoting isn't a good sign of lasting impact.

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Re: I didn't say baseball wasn't dying...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:04 PM
 

Espn actually does later the perception of some sports, most specifically soccer. Espn bashed soccer for decades and in turn America echoes what they hear. Soccer was made fun of because they were told to make fun of it or didn't understand it.

Espn no longer is bashing it like they used to, all of a sudden star athletes of other sports are coming out talking about how they are actually huge soccer fans.

It will alter the perception here over a short period of time.

It will never change the view of the typical 'football fan' that grew up trying to be popular by posting anti soccer threads to get other people's attention.


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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:47 PM
 

To ESPN or any other entertainment industry. The INDUSTRY must make make money and bet on trends that will make money. In particular what the young will spend money on. Baseball is dying. The Greatest generation of America is dying. Things change. It's ok you can't stop it.

Investing in soccer is like investing in BRIC nations. Risk but tons of potential and untapped energy.


Re: Basketball is the 2nd most popular sport.....


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:51 PM
 

very well said.. I do not agree that baskb is #2.. I think baseball is.. soccer is good sport for those that do not have the size, strength and skill to play one of the main sports.. soccer does require lots of running.. it is good to get little kids out and moving.. all they need is a ball, field and cheap goal..

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Nothing wrong with soccer, but it's popularity in the US...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:01 PM
 

is being greatly exaggerated.

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It presents another opportunity for folks to get drunk.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:31 PM
 

You'd have to get drunk to watch that boring sport.

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soccer is no different than the olympics

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:54 PM
 

people watch skating/curling/etc every 4 yrs, but then it goes away.

the US would have to win the WC to pass any of the other sports, then what....

it'll go away, once football starts in fall.

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Re: soccer is no different than the olympics

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 3:58 PM
 

great post.. very true.. other than the "world cup" there is almost NO INTEREST in soccer in the USA;other than little kids playing when they can`t play one of the real sports

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And how old are you guys?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:07 PM
 

The 18-34 demographic that matters to marketers and the future of our country does care. The older generation who didn't play is totally justified for not enjoying it. The best athletes in America aren't going to soccer right now but many have played it in passing and eventually some of the best will choose it as their number one sport.


Re: And how old are you guys?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:09 PM
 

It's really not at all about having the best athletes in America play soccer, it's about having kids dedicated to playing it every single day like they do in other countries.

You can excel in football by playing it for the first time once you hit high school as long as you're athletic, you'd have zero chance if you tried that in soccer. Literally zero.


lather. rinse, repeat

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:16 PM
 

20 years ago, in 1994, the World Cup was held IN THE USA. It was everywhere, 100X what it is for this World Cup. In 1996, the Olympic soccer tournament was held in the USA. They pulled up the freaking hedges at UGA's Sanford Stadium to play games there.

Those 18-34 year olds back then were exposed to soccer in FAR greater dosages than today, as they actually ATTENDED these matches all over the country.

Now those peoplr are 38-54 years old. Do they care anymore? What happened?

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Re: lather. rinse, repeat


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:20 PM
 

Has soccer popularity grown since '94? Indeed it has.

MLS didn't even start until around then.

Atlanta will have a team in 2017. What local teams did you expect people to follow? Currently people follow euro leagues and are watching more MLS of late as well.


Re: lather. rinse, repeat


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 6:13 PM
 

I think the exposure today is far, far greater than that of what it was in 1994. Yes, the World Cup was held in the US that year, but at that time ESPN was nowhere near what it is today. The internet was in its infancy. If you weren't watching games, you'd only see soccer info on ESPN or your local news.

Nowadays, ESPN is a behemoth and there are several other 24 hour sports networks. There are literally thousands of websites devoted to soccer. Everyone has smart phones which allows access to all of this information anytime, anywhere. Heck, ESPN is broadcasting every single game on the WatchESPN app.

The exposure is much, much higher now.

You mentioned the people who were 18-34 back then and whether or not they care now...but when it comes to introducing a new sport, the importance lies in getting kids interested. 20 years later the sport is certainly as popular as it's ever been in the USA.


Re: And how old are you guys?


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 8:51 AM
 

18-34 here. In order for me

1) college football
2) pro baseball
3) NFL
4) any other baseball/basketball

Only give a chit about soccer during the World Cup.

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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 11:12 PM
 

once he figured it out, baseball, basketball and football is all he does.

none of his buddies play soccer... heck more swim and run track than play soccer.

in Aiken, volleyball has passed soccer with the girls

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Re: soccer is no different than the olympics

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:21 PM
 

Is that why NBC just paid 250 million for rights to the Premiere League the next few seasons? A league that has no American teams and doesn't play any games in America? They don't do that for other Olympic Sports. Anyone cutting down soccer players as athletes is a moron. I played high school baseball and I was an above average high school baseball player and to this day, I am in great shape and I never played soccer competitively. Those soccer players are better athletes than any baseball player on the planet and most other sports. I was good at every sport growing up. Soccer was the hardest that I ever even attempted to play. It is non stop running and their coordination is unbelievable. What Lionel Messi does on a soccer field is more impressive than what any other athlete in the world does. You don't have to like soccer, but you just make yourself look like an old, ignorant idiot when you say things like kids who play soccer aren't good enough to play real sports. It is the most popular sport in the world for a reason. Everyone can agree that it that Golf and Baseball have the least athletic players on the whole and I say that as a baseball player.


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Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:32 PM
 

If people who don't like soccer would have just watched brazil vs chile, they may start to come around. Watching over time and penalty kicks is awesome, But I also enjoy watching golf and tennis. The main complaint is just the speed of the game seems slow with low scores.


Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:33 PM
 

Whose "TERRIFIED"? Soccer can do what it wants, Baseball can do what it wants, Basketball can do what it wants....It will never replace the greatest sport...TIGER FOOTBALL!!!


Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:41 PM
 

It's not that I'm terrified of soccer's popularity,I just hate the idea of hitting a girl( soc-cer get it).
Ok,enough of the bad jokes.I think the reason I don't follow soccer is because of a lack of knowledge of team rosters,and positions.When Clemson plays FSU,or Carolina,you know the names of the players and their positions.Not so ,for me with soccer.
Another thing,I could care less if Chile is playing Spain,or Portugal is playing Mexico.If the U.S. is not on,I just don't watch.
I could say the same for professional hockey.It's not because of it's popularity,it's just I don't really care for the sport.

P.S.I don't care for the NBA,or Major League Baseball either, but I will take college hoops/baseball over the World Cup any day of the week.


I don't think MLS will approach the four


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:46 PM
 

major sports in popularity very soon, but I do think that there is a clear rise in popularity in soccer here in the US.

I do also find it strange the reaction from non-soccer fans. It certainly seems to represent something they don't like and goes beyond simple indifference.

But I must say, claiming soccer is the country's second most popular sport because of two or three games is just disingenous. Give me a break.


Many young Americans like soccer

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:54 PM
 

I'm 22, and a senior at Clemson. I can tell you that the top 5 sports the students like are 1. Football 2. Basketball 3. Soccer 4. Baseball 5. Golf

Most young adults in college these days have a copy of the FIFA Soccer video game for their XBox or Playstation. I can tell you its one of the most popular sports games in the U.S. next to the NCAA Football and Madden franchises.

Soccer is significantly on the rise. Its a high suspense, constantly moving sport with a lot of on edge excitement. No, it isn't the constant explosiveness and violence of football, its about precisions and making that impossible shot through the goal to win. Its a "happy" sport and one that compliments the party culture of the younger generations today. Its only going to get more popular. That and it is a very forgiving and "blue collar" sport that anyone can play anywhere.


Re: Many young Americans like soccer


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 5:01 PM
 

Actually, I believe they said on sportscenter that the FIFA video game outsells MADDEN.


Of course it does


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 5:32 PM
 

Madden is only popular with americans whereas FIFA has world interests.


Re: Many young Americans like soccer


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 8:42 PM
 

> Actually, I believe they said on sportscenter that
> the FIFA video game outsells MADDEN.

I can see where soccer might be big on video with the younger generation and it may be enough to spark a surge in popularity in spectators...but as far as some great increase in soccer athletes/participants???

Well, I think some of you guys are ignoring a BIG reality in youth today called OBESITY.....(no pun intended).

I work with young kids and with childhood obesity being what it is, unless something dramatically and quickly changes, I don't see how soccer will become all the rage you guys are thinking it will become in this country as far as kids playing it more than baseball.

Yea, soccer might be "fun" when the kids are little but I'm telling you, the older they get, their interests move towards other sports that are more popular (esp with the girls), less physically demanding in their minds, and offer a more promising future in terms of scholarships, pro careers, etc.

There is a real reason childhood obesity exists...kids are NOT active! Getting them to participate in ANY kind of physical activity is considered success...soccer is a serious stretch, especially for middle schoolers and especially if you ask them to play for longer than 15 minutes or so!

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Look, soccer's popularity with kids is simple. Don't make it out to be more than what it is.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 6:14 PM
 

1) It's cheap. One ball, a grass parking lot, and a few cones and you are set. No bats, gloves, equipment, etc...

2) It's easy. Put a bunch of kids on the field with a ball and they baby sit each other for an hour chasing it. The "coaches" don't even have to know the rules.

3) There's limited chance of injury/embarrassment. No chance of getting dinged by a pitch or line drive, no tackling, if you're bad at it you can still just run around and look pretty good, etc... Moms love all of this.

Finally, the logic which assumes folks who play soccer as kids will love it when they're older is seriously flawed. If that were the case, there would only be happy meals on the McDonald's menu, and we'd all watch Thomas and Friends after supper.

PS: This isn't an attack on soccer.
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Re: Look, soccer's popularity with kids is simple. Don't make it out to be more than what it is.


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 7:23 PM
 

You had me until you said it is easy...you apparently have not seen a good U10 team play...pretty amazing what some of those kids can do. It's "easy" to play any sport, football and baseball included...but it's hard to play it well.


Good point. I was thinking about ease from a...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 9:46 PM
 

Learning/coaching perspective.

You can basically tell the kids to try and kick it in the net, and turn them loose. (Oversimplification)

With baseball and football you have more rules, even at the most basic level. It's easier for kids play and coaches to coach soccer, at least early on.


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Re: Good point. I was thinking about ease from a...


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 9:49 PM
 

More ease in terms of learning the basics.. Sure, but more hours are put into every single soccer pro in comparison to football pros. Guaranteed.

If you didn't start early in soccer you'll simply never be world class.


That may be true, but it's not the point here. The

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 6:47 AM
 

multitudes of youth soccer leagues is sometimes used as evidence of the sport's popularity, which is what this whole discussion is about. FM is simply pointing out the main reasons it is so popular as a kid's sport, and why, unlike football, baseball, and basketball, that popularity doesn't result in anything close to the same level of popularity at higher levels.

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Re: That may be true, but it's not the point here. The


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 8:43 AM
 

In the past there were not leagues in the USA. In the past there were not ways to watch European soccer without a subscription service.

How could you become a massive fan in the past without a way of watching it? There are many ways now to become a fan without massive effort.


Again, maybe so, but the point remains. In fact, you may be

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 11:09 AM
 

making the point. Regardless of the reason(s), higher level soccer is not comparable (at this time) to football, baseball, or basketball in terms of popularity, participation, or cultural significance, and "soccer fever" as is being hyped in the media over the last few days or weeks largely the result of a spike in interest due to the U.S. participation in the World Cup.

That's not a knock on soccer, and nobody is claiming that demographics aren't changing and soccer isn't growing in popularity. It's just that at this time, soccer doesn't belong in the same conversation with football, baseball, and basketball (and maybe a few others), no matter how badly some want it to.

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Re: Again, maybe so, but the point remains. In fact, you may be

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 11:54 AM
 

Using TV ratings of an nation vs nation international event that is only held every four years in comparison to annual events such as the NBA Playoffs or World Series is very apples to oranges. The huge ratings do not demonstrate that soccer has surpassed baseball or basketball.

Those ratings are a reflection of rapid growth, though. Some folks on here are pretty good at trying to spin and rationalize away something that is pretty obvious. I have not been a fan of soccer but you have to be tone deaf to not grasp that immigration plus the soccer mom effect plus added exposure is rapidly changing the dynamic. Stop being so insecure about it.


Re: Again, maybe so, but the point remains. In fact, you may be

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:09 PM
 

I find it funny when all these soccer fans come pouring out of the woodwork proclaiming soccer's place in the American mainstream thanks to good World Cup ratings. You know the World Cup is a novelty, right? It happens every 4 years- like the Summer Olympics- and the USA happens to be respectable. The fact of the matter, though, is that MLS ratings are abysmal and Premier League ratings aren't much more impressive than NHL ratings- another sub-par sport. No, soccer will NEVER overtake football, basketball, or baseball. It will always be secondary in this country, regardless of little surges in popularity during the sports premier event.

What I don't understand is why soccer fans insist on telling us how great the sport is and how popular it is/is becoming here. Why? To make yourselves feel better? Is it an insecurity?

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 4:48 PM
 

claiming that demographics aren't changing and soccer isn't growing in popularity."

Those are my words. From my post. I acknowledge and understand all of that. No spin. Not sure I'm the one that's insecure.

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Re: Look, soccer's popularity with kids is simple. Don't make it out to be more than what it is.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 8:07 PM
 

I do watch Thomas and Friends after supper, thank you very much.


I can tell by your comments that you have never played the


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:17 AM
 

game.

Not a flame here, but maybe you should research a little bit first. Each point you made is simply not true.

1) Good soccer balls are expensive. Players do have equipment to buy: cleats, shin guards, etc... It costs the same or more gear wise to play soccer than baseball or basketball.

2) "Coaches" must know the rules and have certifications in order to coach in most youth leagues. The age of the kids playing dictates the tempo of the game (as it does in all sports). I've witnessed many youth baseball and football games as a player and as a father. Some coaches are better than others-that is a constant across all sports.

3) Soccer is a fast paced game and there is more chance of being injured than in most other sports simply due to the lack of padding. I've played and coached for 20+ years and have broken several bones and torn/strained ligaments and muscles. The more competitive the league, the greater the chance of injury-regardless of age.

Again, not a flame-just making some observations of my own.

I've been laughing at some of the posts here about soccer. I'm not a liberal and I don't care whether or not people like soccer. I really don't. I am a conservative, beer drinking, licensed, concealed weapon carrier who likes to play and watch many different sports.

My opinions about things I like change from time to time. For example, when I was under 30, I was a boob man. Now that I am over 40, I am more of a butt man.

My wife, who is also addicted to TigerNet can vouch for most of what I have posted... ;)

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Posted: Jun 28, 2014 8:14 PM
 

I guess it really does make sense.


Terrified...not at all. But compared to South Carolina...how


Posted: Jun 28, 2014 8:27 PM
 

close to Mexico is Texas?


If the U.S team ever has a dominant team

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 8:09 AM
 

It will be the most popular sport by far. Soccer is popular even though the team isn't very good. I can't imagine how big it would get if the U.S. Was actually good

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Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 10:41 AM
 

That's because you live in Austin for starters which is made up of a very progressive demographic and no local pro sports team. Add in the fact that its probably 40% latino and growing and of course they like soccer because they're not Americans.

The fact of the matter is as soon as you get to be about 13 you realize that soccer is pretty lame.


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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:21 PM
 

Just because we dont care about soccer doesnt mean we are scared of it. Good grief. Why are you scared to watch baseball???

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The growth is undeniable though


Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:33 PM
 

People keep saying that the WC is just experiencing the normal surge in ratings. That's obviously BS. Through the first 48 matches (not just the US matches), ESPN has seen a 46% increase in viewership since the last WC, just four years ago. That's amazing growth. No it's not as popular as baseball or basketball and nowhere close to football. But you cannot logically deny its rapid growth. It's only going to get more popular over the next 15-20 years. I don't understand why people are so sensitive about acknowledging the trajectory of the sport in the US.


Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 1:49 PM
 

Why are American soccer fans terrified of being American?

I keep seeing American writers using British English like Brazil HAVE won the game. We don't speak British English!

Additionally the World Cup is an event like the Olympics. Swimming is huge at the Olympics. People don't care any other time. Soccer is similar.

Americans are not going to glorify the likes if primadonnas like Ronaldo and Neymar. These guys flopping around and pretending like they are injured won't catch on here.

In general Americans are not afraid of soccer, they are more sick of hearing that they aren't sophisticated enough to watch it if they don't like it.


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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 5:04 PM
 

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Posted: Jun 29, 2014 10:01 PM
 

I would watch WWE wrestling over soccer anyday. A lot would, I like watching wrestling though, it's actually exciting. Unlike watching soccer


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Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?

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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 9:51 AM
 

It is difficult for people to see beyond their own minute enviornment when it is all that has been taught to them.

The scope of how overwhelmingly soccer is number one everywhere except for a few places in the entire world is beyond their capacity. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when it will take over. The behavior on this board suggests people are quite threatened, also statistics clearly bear out where it currently stands.

This goes beyond football but the sore loser attitudes over their discontent based on racist or non elevated thinking. They want to live in a certain place so bad, they will try to destroy anything that threatens, or is percieved as a threat. they are children.

I grew up playing football, baseball, hockey, basketball, but as a fan of major sports it is just plain dumb not to recognize this sport and competition.

There are currently American soccer players who love this, their families and loved ones supporting them. They are sacrificing, and hurting, and crying for us. They want this as badly as we want to beat the coots. How can we not support that.

Some of you make me ashamed to be a Clemson fan on this board.


Suck on this....


Posted: Jul 2, 2014 3:34 PM
 

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=1357498&tstart=0

I find it incredibly comical that you find yourself to be an elevated thinker.

All you've done is spew hatred, but I've learned to not expect much else out of you liberals.

It's OK for you to call someone a racist for not agreeing with your views on soccer, but they aren't entitled to their views?

Pot meet kettle....people like you disgust me.

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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 10:19 AM
 

Like I said, when/if it becomes top 3 in US I'll move elsewhere. Or if I'm in my later years I'll use it to put myself to sleep or comic relief (flopping).

It's already the world sport, dirt cheap to play, and if USA was not in the World Cup most wouldn't even know the World Cup existed. Way to get past Ghana!


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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 10:25 AM
 

Why move elsewhere. Suppose it becomes very popular, I also think Clemson Football will be as good or better than ever as well.

One being good does not mean the other will be bad. Death valley will still pack over 80k fans on saturdays.

Do you think there is another place besides Clemson where people love the tigers like they do.

I am a Clemson fan because i began going to the games and loved everything about it. as i learned more , one of the things that attracted me to Clemson is that it is a classier fanbase, the education is stronger, and that there is a lot to really take pride in. I am a huge fan of this.

Do not act like a coot.


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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 12:02 PM
 

Great, now we have to like Soccer or we are coots. Just when I thought our fan base was getting soft.

In other news we now have to like Obama or we aren't Americans. Perfect logic.


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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 2:18 PM
 

We were told the same thing in the 80s.

Still waiting......

Soccer: Sport of the 80s!

They also told us the metric system was taking over in this country.


Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 7:46 AM
 

While I disagree with you that Soccer is second in America right now I do believe it is closing the gap and closing it quickly.

America is still

Football
Basketball
Baseball
then probably Soccer

Soccer is trending up while Baseball is trending down.

I also have never understood the group of people who find it necessary to tell everyone every 4 years how much they think soccer sucks...


Edit: I also grew up being an ignorant southerner and "hating" soccer. I had a college roommate teach me about the sport now it is probably my 3rd favorite sport to watch behind Basketball and Football.


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awesome, i grew up playing soccer in st petersburg, florida


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:04 AM
 

got to practice with the rowdies, was a ball boy. i also got to see pele & chinaglia play for the cosmos in the big sombrero.

i still think it's fun to play and boring as all be all to watch.

it's not a personal attack girly man, it's a personal preference.

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Re: awesome, i grew up playing soccer in st petersburg, florida


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:05 AM
 

how many times are you going to respond to my post before realizing I dont care what you think... silly peasant.

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how many times are you going to edit, peasant, then

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:08 AM
 

respond to me?

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Re: how many times are you going to edit, peasant, then

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:32 AM
 

Dont get mad because you dont have the ability to edit like us Royal Donors.

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you need the crutch...

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:43 AM
 

i don't.

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Re: you need the crutch...

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:11 AM
 

Judging by your post history I disagree


BOOM

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did you really just "BOOM" yourself over that?

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:37 AM
 

moran.

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Re: did you really just "BOOM" yourself over that?

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 10:11 AM
 

Would you like the phone number for the local burn center?

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no, why? do you need a ride? maybe the trauma center, but

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 11:01 AM
 

you can't fix stupid and that edit button of yours isn't going to help.

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Re: no, why? do you need a ride? maybe the trauma center, but

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 12:07 PM
 

You sure are pissy today did lead #### hack your account?

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 2:01 PM
 

"pissy"?

you make an ignorant comment about "being an ignorant southerner" who didn't like soccer, but now you've reached some epiphany in life? so anyone that doesn't like soccer is ignorant or other? or do ignorant people only exist in the south? or something else a little more or less sweeping?

i've lived in chicago, ny twice, northern jersey twice, philadelphia twice and have traveled to most every major city in the us, canada and parts of the caribbean. ignorance runs rampant in all those places so i know it's not just your post or your comment or the south.

maybe, you were simply ignorant then and not just southern ignorant? honestly, i still think you're ignorant for the comment. so maybe, you're just an ignorant person that now likes soccer?

will that do or are you going to keep responding after telling me you don't care what i think/write?

smh not stirred...

be good brother, enjoy your wc and go usa.

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 2:24 PM
 

First off I said "Hating soccer" there is a big difference between not liking it and spending a ton of time telling others how much it sucks... You seem to be the "hating" type judging by your posts on the subject. It is quite sad really. I am sorry that others joy in something brings you such sadness. I really hate it effects your life so much.

I really give zero ##### about where you have lived. Maybe in your next location they can teach you how to read and not twist words into saying something they dont. I never said people who didnt like soccer were ignorant.


You really are pissy today so sad.

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i hate watching, it's boring to do so. i never hated the

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 2:44 PM
 

game, it was enjoyable to play. maybe you'll figure out the difference one day? i'm not hopeful.

i'm sorry, but the only thing twisted in this seems to be your panties. your words were not, twisted that is, unless you're just too much of a moran to not see what you wrote, which seems more & more the case.

as for me, i recognize ignorance from all those places i've lived and visited, it comes in many guises. maybe you should get out more often because you don't even recognize ignorance in your own words. thanks for playing though, but maybe in the future try not making it so easy?

and just for kicks, is this why they ran you off ti? i've seen others call you out on it, but only had a modicum of understanding of their inferences until now; thanks though, you've cleared it up.

looking forward to you showing everyone how much you continue to not care... again.

waiting...

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I have a confession to make clemtiger117. The TU your post received was

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 3:46 PM
 

an error. I was simply scrolling though the post on my mobile phone and accidentally hit TU.

Sorry for any confusion.


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Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 8:14 AM
 

I'm more terrified that this post keeps making its way back to the top of the board.

And yes I know I just bumped it back up, but not by much.

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Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 10:37 AM
 

This is why everyone is terrified and why I refuse to watch it....

http://youtu.be/LC-H2wXK4T4


Re: Why is everyone so terrified of soccer's popularity?


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 10:41 AM
 

Yes bc there is no flopping or embellishment of contact in other sports

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Posted: Jul 1, 2014 10:53 AM
 

It will be judged by MLS ratings post world cup. When American football begins in the fall, nobody will bring up soccer again until the next world cup. It getting better I will say that. It really is a great sport,and I love it, but MLS sucks. Not very good tv. One day maybe. Ps.... You're crazy to think it #2 behind football. Way too many boomers in this country...... Baseball trumps soccer any day. GO TIGERS! GO USA! I BELIEVE!


Great question. What time does it come on tonight ??


Posted: Jul 1, 2014 3:50 PM
 

No way I am missing Deadliest Catch.

I might have to tape it

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